Transcripts For DW The Day 20240713 : vimarsana.com

Transcripts For DW The Day 20240713

Not a simple Death Threats simple secu sins by the police on social media and in other ways. And somebody said dont run so does anyone know how to write the answer was that weve all had Death Threats god never has touched on the good will by luck. Also coming up the politics of extremes on sunday voters in the heartland of germany go to the polls after a campaign thats included Death Threats arson and nazi slogans the far right edgy take a view and head to is considered the top candidate. Of the parties and gender its too but can his constituency accept of an opinion but it does. Point. To our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the violent culture of bricks it a new study of british voters poses questions about the u. K. s departure from the European Union and it makes for very uncomfortable reading because of what p. Say theyre prepared to accept in order to see their version of breaks it come to pass in a poll in titled the future of england a majority of voters believe that a breakup of the u. K. Would be worth it to take back control and a majority both for and against breaks it agree that the u. K. Will become substantially poorer after it is no longer a member of the European Union the poll suggested breaks it has come to represent much more than a political and economic divorce for most voters its about identity who belongs and who does not which brings us to perhaps the most alarming find of this poll among supporters and opponents of brics it a majority of voters say the possibility of violence against members of parliament is a price worth paying if their version of breaks it is delivered we begin tonight with a report on british lawmakers and the brags that bulls eye that they are living with now every day. If i go. I dont worry. Theres a crowd outside the palace of westminster every day made up of both angry leavers and remains the police often have to intervene m. P. s arriving for work face verbal abuse and sometimes even physical attack. Nigel for raj a leader of the bracks it party had a milkshake thrown at him earlier this year a relatively harmless incident compared to what other politicians have experienced. I have threats of violence including a death threat ive certainly had threats on social media and in other ways but a civil Death Threats civil prosecutions by the police in a meeting recently with some other threats of his senior colleagues and some he said look around so does anyone not a death threat and the answer was weve all had Death Threats. Including tom brake. The liberal democrat is a staunch opponent of bracks it. One Facebook Page contained comment suggesting he should be strangled. Varies from low level abuse to Death Threats i suspect probably every other member of parliament in the house of commons has had Death Threats and theres no doubt that these things have got worse since the referendum in mediately after the referendum there was a very clear increase. In these m. P. s have little personal security they hold surgeries in their constituencies where anyone can meet the Politicians Face to face time breaks offices are only locked at night. One of the important roles that a british member of parliament has is being accessible to the public and providing a Service People come to a member of parliament about any issue from difficulties securing a school place for their child through to poor quality housing and if were not accessible then when are actually able to provide a very good service for people. That leaves them barry exposed 3 years ago labor m. P. Jo cox was murdered on the way to a constituency surgery her attacker has links to a neo nazi group. Members of the opposition also blame the Prime Minister they say his talk of capitulation and surrender is fueling hatred is hearing from the every day on these nice sometimes to Death Threats and abuse and i think that i i think how the Prime Minister that i didnt quite see this months so i have to try Holding Tanks have i dont want them to meet with the last month or a how long would it have to come from the prime just dont know yes that was what pm Boris Johnson merely dismisses threats of violence against him pieces humbug mr speaker all i. Have to say to just be a crime never had such homebodies all my life. These are the sorts of threats that m. P. s receive every day usually by a facebook or twitter there are references to hangings and firing squads civil war and gunning for blood theres no way of knowing if some of these users might perpetuate violence in the real world. Scottish m. P. Lisa cameron has been sent images of rapes and decapitations shes lobbying for new legislation that would put an end to online anonymity. To police who say to me what we you know we went to see the person in the lead you know quite a usual life their. Spirit sacha but its almost like sin is the one lying they feel anonymous they feel that there are no barriers to anything that they have to terms of all that you saw in line we need to have thought regulation tom break believes that the political culture also needs to change. The way back is for i mean i think in the u. K. To resolve the issue brett said i think until this is dealt with one way or another than we will continue to see this level of aggression the is this other language used. For now the brics a crisis remains ongoing and that makes all m. P. s potential targets wherever they stand on the political spectrum. Well how to make sense of bricks and when its consequences seem to be since was an even dangerous one person who is qualified to analyze what has and is happening in the u. K. As my colleague barbara believes will she joins me tonight in our Brussels Bureau good evening to you barbara let me ask you just for a personal report 1st barbara youve reported many many times weve talked many times with you there in the thick of the breaks it chaos have you ever felt unsafe have you ever been threatened with physical violence no i have in fact right never felt unsafe but the reason for that mainly is that we have quite well protected there because reporting from in front of westminster we have behind fences and there is security so nobody can really get at us and theres been of course for weeks and months at the height of the bricks at battle being tremendous and yelling and shouting in the background but after a while you sort of get used to that and just blend it out and then if you move as a single camera team through london or so people dont really show a lot of aggression against you personally so it seems more like a collective thing and that is that you feel the aggression in the background we used to hear breaks it means break i said at the beginning of the program breaks it means break it now are you surprised that so many voters are willing to accept violence against him peace in order to get their version of break. That i find absolutely shocking and it shows how fast this Development Moves how quickly a country can move from a place where you think the majority of people is extraordinary polite you know they line up in front of bus stations they will say sorry if this somebody runs into them in the street people where violence becomes sort of daily daily sought something that people think belongs in their lives now and it seems like that 3 and a half years off talking about wrecks it and the divisions in that country have deepened to a point where incredible aggression has risen on both sides of the divide and that seems to be one of the Main Findings and that people it gets normal violence get not because normal is so quickly that it seems like a complete breakdown of political culture tradition history everything in britain that you can watch sort of in slow motion at the moment and its interesting to study says this applies to both leavers and mangers and so it tells me that breaks it means something much more than just bricks it the bricks that Withdrawal Agreement which part of it approved this week you know there was almost a carbon copy of to resubmit news deal which was rejected 3 times by parliament so for the m. P. s this has to be about something more i think its about who gets to define who we are do you agree i mean were talking about identity here. It is about identity and it has long since left the realm of reason i mean you just said you know since the deal is relatively similar to the one threes may had some say Boris Johnson is even worse but that doesnt matter anymore this is not about politics anymore also i mean one of the main problems of the civil debate has been that its just beset by lies and this is just ongoing constantly far since the Prime Minister tells people lets get breakfast done and then we can sort of turn it turn back to normal life and continue talking about schools and hospitals but it breaks it will not be done and Everybody Knows it because when decisions for the future trade arrangements and other arrangements with the e. U. Will carry on for years so wont be done i mean this is like its slow working poison in the in the body of politics in britain and it is about identity it is it has become like a religion like a religious text and its believed both sides and the believers like crusaders you know going out they hate each other and they are obviously even now sort of willing to do each other violence so it is a Shocking Development to see in a country that used to be proud of its a political culture and civilization and i think this is something that were seeing on both sides of the atlantic we saw this week republican lawmakers in the United States storm a high Security Chamber on capitol hill where just depositions are being given in the impeachment inquiry i mean one observer said this is the closest thing to mass civil unrest that hes ever seen so on both sides of the atlantic the worlds of politics and even society in general they seem to be teetering do you you have the feeling that we are just a breath away from losing it. It seems so it seems so theres sometimes theyre encouraging signs if you look at elections like in hungary for instance where suddenly a liberal mayor is was elected in budapest i mean those seem to be those tiny specks of hope but on the whole front in general yes were very close to the abyss and sort of tumbling into violence and complete dissolution of the rules that kept us together and kept us sane and kept us safe in the past its a sad state of affairs we have to say. In brussels barbara we appreciate your experience your insights and stay safe thank you. Were here in germany. Go to the polls in the german heartland in the state of turin go this weekend its an election that is shaping up to be a crucial test for chancellor Angela Merkels conservative c. D. U. Party the far right. Now that party has been polling strongly and it could overtake the conservatives as the states number 2 party behind the post communist left party the regio was part of the former east germany before the 1990 its the only german state with a governing coalition headed by the left party our very own reporter on your call who returned to her old Hometown Air Force to gauge the mood ahead of sundays vote. Granulated brick houses and merrill and the waste just like in fairy tales. Small Medieval City select an afront well known and loft in the eastern state of the range. That was my home for a long time i spent most of my youth in syringes and went to effort to study. When i lived here people didnt argue much about politics they couldnt they if they didnt even exist but now they are likely to win at least 20 percent of the road and i wonder whether they have changed the region. Leftist off right thats often what people here want to know is politics dividing the state into. I tried to talk about it with former classmates but then i noticed that most of the people i was friends with have moved away to big cities just like i did i was right back saying its a delicate topic society i hear its bitterly divided but no one wants to talk to me about it on camera. To get an idea of whats going on now i go to an a. S. D. Campaign event the far right and she takes a view on who is considered the top candidate here and he insults other parties and journalists too but cant his constituency except of opinions those who are. Or. If you have more i always look for an arena where i could influence people and if there is someone who doesnt want to accept this then im sorry we consider the next table and drink as beer alone. When we have a family celebration sometimes we start arguing my wife keeps the arguments from escalating by changing the subject. I need to withdraw to handle he has been the state premium of 3 india for the past 5 years hes the only left party state premier in germany many think hes down to earth and hes pragmatic but while he was in office the a if he succeeded in expanding its base so why couldnt the left party keep the f. T. In check and to put i try to keep them in check they began polarizing the constituency i want to talk to the people on the streets and i want an end to this polarization and i want to let the people know where we stand and where were headed or know if they can vixen. The only problem is that the range is becoming increasingly polarized thats what left Party Supporters keep telling me. This is small rebellion but its not a small as wed like it to be. Some people who irreconcilable with that speech is harsha more vicious and dimwitted. My old hometown seems withdrawn and i fear of the stadia lections might make things worse. According to polls the left party with the board or im in or has the most support but might not succeed in forming a Coalition Government since no one wants to work with the a. F. Today the federal and state is the drift of the political deadlock which would further deepen the social tensions. Sometimes when i go back home i feel like a stranger. A stranger in my own home to argue about that and more im joined now by our chief Political Editor bill keller. First talk about the polarization that we saw in that report was there so much polarization for that city what the Big Tent Party would like to see both ends of the spectrum also debate under that tent just like the social democrats are so in crisis and im going to you are trying to find out so do the i mean one thing is quite clear in theory and you know we actually have really good data of people favor of democracy at the same time their favor of having a much firmer grip on politics the much far behind so theres a lot of potential there physically for the far right if tea to tap into that and its an interesting direct standoff between the left and far left and the and far right this is unique in germany its a politics of extremes almost how would you say it is that the far right if he could become part of the Regional Government after the election it simply wont happen because the major parties doubt going into any coalition with the far right if t. And this raises the question what else could happen and the left party the unable to form a coalition im going to macas conservative c. D. U. Party has also ruled out going to listen with the party so the math simply dont add up they will have to be creative and if anything this is proof that the far right if tea has severely managed to shake up i dare say disrupt the usual way. Politics in particular done here and thats an important point because their takes is the next level why does this what does it matter beyond the range of what is why does it matter on the National Level and why should german chancellor Angela Merkel why should she be concerned well shes a lot less concerned than she was just a couple of months ago i mean we see her socalled grand coalition with the social democrats politically pretty much on the rocks and the only thing thats holding them together is that they know if they were to cool fresh elections which is not easy here in germany would be a long lengthy process and they both have a lot to lose rather than anything to gain so the ring is yet another test of how bad things are for the Big Tent Party isnt typically how bad things can still get for the social democrats because as you know of the time you and i were talking about this earlier this is the 1st election in germany that weve had since the attack on the synagogue in holland which is north of turin jubas not that far away. Do you think thats going to have any impact on this election well it will be interesting to see whether its has certainly it has seen a lot of statements from politicians whove also been threatened by far right circles. Basically calling for no extremism but beyond the most far right extremists politician within the far right if tea leaves if tea into these elections and they look like they could become the 2nd Strongest Force it doesnt really look like thats made much of a difference right. Political editor mcculloch as always thank you. Well dont say you have not been warned moscow is watching that is what critics here in germany are saying about the social democratic partys decision to use electronic voting to choose a new party chair now this election is an important one for the party it comes when support for the s. P. D. Is at a record low so in a move to rejuvenate the party and to give more people a say the s. P. D. Is asking its Party Members to vote for the new chair that includes almost 200000. 00 electronic ballots evodevo as its known here it ends on friday but the controversy surrounding it it is only just beginning. This

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