Team obviously also the charges of widespread Human Rights Violations in kashmir that are reported to be continuing to this day. To thousands of locals thank you a month before your government imposed lockdown in kashmir the uns chief human rights official issued a report examining the state of human rights in the region between may 2800 and april this year it claimed that in that 12 month period the number of civilian casualties and around 160. 00 with thought to be in the highest in more than a decade and it says 71. 00 of them have been victims of indias Security Forces the un says you have a poor record of investigating such killings what is the 1st of all i think its wrong to call it a locked. Down people in german kashmir are free to move around there visit other parts of india people from other parts are not yourselves as the rest no let me tell you a country to do anything let me come to the detention part 99 percent of the area of human kashmir does not have any restraints now regarding the human rights issues there are 42000 people that have been killed in Jammu And Kashmir because of terrorists operating with the support of a country to our west and this doesnt get adequate attention and the people who were shot by Indian Forces by the way Indian Forces have not killed any civilians in the recent past the people who are carrying a k 47 its the people who are carrying grenades are terrorists mr pounder 3 years ago 20165 investigations were launched by your government to exchange judicial executions but to this day no information has been received why would that be the Indian Government takes very seriously any such allegations and while there may have been mistakes decades ago about 2016 yes but im talking about not just 2016 but if you just deal with this particular incident because 3 years on not only is there no verdict in any of these cases theres no way of knowing if the investigations are still going on or being part indefinitely in the platform is going to be part indefinitely 0 information there are going verdicts on other similar allegations and there will be verdicts in these cases as well when are you going to take over the judicial process has a way to go through and you cannot expect. Arbitrary decisions so why the silence why the complete silence about whether the investigation is still ongoing well i mean 0 information silence its hard not to see this is a blatant cover up why the silence by the media about the 42000 people that are being killed that have been killed why the side and i dont answer for the media well i mean you are the people i meet your part of the media and listen im sitting here questioning you and you have an opportunity to talk about im trying to find im trying to your point the point is you must see. The larger picture amps ive said very openly that wherever there asset allocations there have been verdicts in other cases and there will be verdict based on justice the u. N. Report speaks of arbitrary tension socalled cordon and Search Operations that have led to a range of Human Rights Violations and it says that accountability for violations committed by members of the indian Security Forces remains virtually non existant but its their words virtually nonexistent thats a shocking record well 1st of all i disagree with that but this seems to blindingly oblivious to the larger problem of terrorism that is emanating with support from across the border so i know you would like to widen the discussion out away from Indias Research not away a lot of the problem you know that there isnt any of attention that is given given what a little hard on it will be to here is not a problem 42000 people have been killed without trouble and were talking about indias response im talking about and you want to you want to widen i mean the major block on accountability has been the Armed Forces Special powers that hasnt i just prevented your Security Forces being prosecuted without government permission ok so i think thats a great question allow me to finish my answer the the Armed Forces Special provision act has been removed in the state of puerto it has been removed in the state of meddling it has been partially removed in the state of the natural provision why because the situation the security situation has improved in general in kashmir we are facing an undeclared war from across the western border and this is not getting adequate attention you need to focus on that serves the politicians who decide and have done for almost 30 years where the cases involving Security Forces in german kashmir can even be heard by the courts is a do as you please lower isnt it if you Armed Forces Get away with everything the Worlds Largest democracy decisions are not taken by individuals theres a parliament thats elected by an electric of 900000000 people there are checks and balances in play. Yes i just answered that the aft bar has been removed in more than 2 see how forces special powers are yes i want the un special rapporteur judicial killings christophe high and said in the past retaining such a law as this runs counter to the principles of democracy and human rights not when you have a war like situation and im telling you here that its being removed where the situation is normalizing and you must recognize little or german kashmir yes and. The situation is in transition it will get normalized look i think the wider situation that you dont want to talk about is important for your viewers to understand all of those things that you are responsible for how many times has the Central Government allowed the prosecution of armed forces for alleged human rights abuses in civilian courts over the last 30 years 3 decades how many times as the government allowed a prosecution you know the armed forces have their own Court Martial process and that has that thats there in every democracy not just in india how many times have Armed Forces Personnel been prosecuted for alleged human rights for several times how many come in and i dont have a number. The fact is that according to you and no singleton he was not one prosecution of Armed Forces Personnel was granted by sitting indian court in a civilian court so in the world is meant to believe that without exception over 3 decades every Single Member of the Security Forces behaved like angels no i think you are being blindingly oblivious or deliberately trying to obfuscate that the Armed Forces Special provision act is in in force in Jammu And Kashmir and that is because of a war like situation which is why military courts deal with such allegations and you must recognise this is the 3rd time i am pointing out that this is not something that is unilaterally decided by an individual or by an unaccountable government and it has been removed in states where the situation has improved it will in future be removed in Jammu And Kashmir what about the use of metal pellets in german kashmir in this last report the un spoke of alarming numbers of deaths and life changing injuries caused by your Security Forces use of shotguns firing metal pellets children have been among the victims the stone throwers that you have been referring to have in the past used to be many decades ago responded with riot responses involving bullets so that was scaled down to go down to pellets which is far less deadly rather than use guns and among those students or as you count a 19 month old girl who was shot in her right arm no girl in 1900 been a good target forces you know thats a very unfair thing to say you must also refer to all those videos of Indian Forces behaving with great forbearance against enormous attacks deadly attacks with stones and bottles and these are organized riots these are funded by terrorist organizations recognized by the United Nations you must also shed light on them according to the main hospital in kashmir that treats such injuries servitors sri maharajah hospital. 1233 people have been blinded by metal pilots filed by you Security Services just in 2 and a half year period from the 2016 up until the end of last year 1253 people now sightless now steps have been taken to further reduce the kind of measures being taken to control such attacks what disability for solutions what it means whereas earlier thousands of people used to be at risk because of firing of real bullets it came down to using pellets and today even that is used only in the rarest of rare circumstances Government Data from 2017 showed the weapon killed 13 people and injured more than 6000 in 8 months nearly 800 people sustained injuries knowing those risks and those statistics inescapable conclusion is that your forces intended to cause those injuries did know our forces intended to maintain peace and law and order and you know you cant keep. Focusing only on specific casualties without looking at the war like situation that were facing and it is important to recognize that the Current Situation that has developed in kashmir since august is that an article which was the only article called temporary in our constitution has been diluted and this is creating a lot of misguided communications internationally whereas article 370 provided shelter to all kinds of horrible things it did not allow 106 indian laws passed by parliament and the Supreme Courts rulings to apply in kashmir including l. G. B. Take your rights including womens rights including a minority going slightly of the subject. Its amazing to me i talk about 12 and 33 people who cyclists and you talk about right somewhere else in the dont talk to the demonstrations you do not on im not you know going where all right ok but do you not care about these 2 of those little theory people do you have. Care about the 42000 people that have been killed so why are there no apologies why then no apologies for these blind it is really you know we dress a little it is regrettable when any such injury takes place but this is actually a scaling down of the kind of violence my real stress in the courts why no apologies there will be there will be when there will be action in the courts no proper compensation for these people of course there will be compensation really anybody is yes of course there will be lets talk about what happened in august. Whatever the reasons for indias action crease curity threats smuggling etc by the uses of resources it became an excuse for a large number of arrests and detentions that continue to this day on what grounds were some 4000 people deprived of their liberty in fact we need to continue to this day there have been releases taking place you know 1000 people its important to understand something that this is an unfinished part of the Indian Independence struggle and partition because when partition happened imposed by the british it happened with a certain set of circumstances and similar restraints were put into place in the punjab in rogers tun in gujarat the point is when these restrictions were put also in places like bengal in a sump it was because tens of thousands of people were killed in the partition violence now right now these restaurants have been put into place because we had a choice of either having temporary restraints or permanent loss of lives you havent told me what these people have done 4000 people in german kashmir after your ogust. Changes if you like in the status of kashmir why 4000 people were detained you havent told me why i dont know that it is 4000 but i will tell you that if the same detentions had happened in 104748 which we believe should have happened then we would have been integrated to india now so you dont you dont know why these people know i do know why these people many of them have gone. On the record questioning the constitution of india questioning the larger question and if they are allowed to question but they are not allowed to take arms they are not allowed to smuggle arms and drugs they are not allowed to indulge in Money Laundering to fund the likes of. And the likes of jasin muhammad which are operating from pakistan and sending in jihad these would have been to kill in india. A month after you operation the Supreme Court had to step in and tell your government to get on with restoring normal life as soon as possible with one of the judges sherrod of and bob calling the situation a terrible state of affairs so in the words of one of your own Supreme Court judges created a terrible state and youre not telling the full story here so the Supreme Court is indeed hearing petitions regarding german kashmir but already restrictions had been removed gradually from after the 1st 24 hours what the judge said is that they should continue and the judge did not grant relief to the people who wanted these detentions to be taken away right away because of the security situation so yes indeed this restraint must be removed they are being removed and it is a process a court even had to order the authorities to transfer the sick leader of the communist party to hospital in delhi because nobody was allowed to go in or out of his house not so they had to order basic humanitarian provision or through that misrepresentation some people trying to misrepresent this because he was allowed to to be shifted to hospital there was a delay because of certain technicalities why is the among those who held why is the former chief minister of iraq now him is now in his eightys being also detained what kind of threat does he represent to the government of india is that with due respect to mr abdullah with whom i have also served in parliament he did go around making very incendiary statements when article 370 was diluted now we have had a situation where people have. On the surface pledged allegiance to the Indian Constitution but have straddled the ground which flirts with separatists which flirts with the terrorists who are operating from across the border and a lot of these separatists their own children arent they dont have any skin in the game they all live abroad here in the u. K. And in the us its. Really also rested his daughter and sister who were simply holding up placards in the street you know i there were released the point is this 99 percent of the area of your money today has no restraints and this has gradually been eased over the past 10 or 11 weeks now at a certain point when more areas had certain restraints yes Public Events were prohibited because of the law and order issue. Amnesty International Reported that lawyers and family members of the detainees are not informed of the grounds of the rest of the even the whereabouts of that clients and relatives how can that be right to mock recy when you have a war like situation the law that has been in place there allows for a certain period of detention now talking about the Public Safety act most of the prominent leaders are not kept in jail they are kept in guest houses with security measures. As i keep repeating something we had a choice the indian state had a choice between temporary restraints and permanent loss of lives and you must recognize its only fair to point out that in these last 11 weeks a large number of these restraints have been actually removed but lawyers and family members are not informed of the grounds of the arrest nor even the whereabouts of the relatives i come back to that question there will always that how is that allowed that we look to see that that is allowed by the Public Safety act passed by the former state of Jammu And Kashmir for a certain period. Its not indefinite its for a limited period but its important to point out that the other restraints that you have referred to for example initially phone lines were not allowed to day not only or landlines but all postpaid cell phone lines are already functional. So as of yesterday group of you members of parliament are visiting your mood privately for them so thats ok most members of parliament in delhi have not been most members of parliament when they travel to other countries and ive personally led many such delegations do indeed travel privately and not as official representatives of their legislatures. Mr pound b. G. P. Doesnt like criticism one of one of your rising political stars just we saw here captured the mood of the party in the recent election when he produced a video proclaimed if you are with modi you are with india and if you are not with modi you are anti india do you buy into that you know the reality is mr modi is extremely popular and i think you would find poll after poll like people surveys have pointed out that nearly 3 fourths of the indian population is with mr modi so hes technically correct 40 percent of the population today im sorry 40 percent of the vote in the recent election that because of our reporting system of the parliamentary system which we have inherited from this country if we had a president ial election things might be quite different whether you approve of that slogan i said hes technically correct that the you know the people surveys show that 3 fourths of the people of india are with mr modi so hes right but i want not if i am not willing anti india is that is that you position your anti india if you are not with modi no its possible for a Different Party or l. T. And let me point out its of course possible to be against mr modi and still not be anti india but sadly many people in the opposition h