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A mass extinction simply you can talk about isnt money in the details of Economic Growth how do you believe this will no one is too small to to have things changed the world so just do everything you can. Also coming up on this eve of the u. K. General election many pollsters are banking on a conservative victory but the bookies say the smart money may be with someone else for a week or say pretty well all the moneys being for consent to majority and then suddenly in the last 24 straight 48 hours that momentum has switched say jameco being the next Prime Minister is a 70 shot i think its got a great shots myself. To our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome but we begin the day with time magazines 2001000 person. Of the year she is a school girl from sweden who has done in one year what her parents generation should have done decades ago mobilize the entire worlds young people by making it clear that their future good or bad is being decided by the climate decisions made today with the editors that time said that to embed earned this years title for sounding the alarm about humanitys predatory relationship with the only home we have for bringing into a fragmented world a voice that transcends backgrounds and borders and for showing us all what it might look like when a new generation leads if that new generation inherits a planet on which people will want and be able to leave existential questions in the face of a swedish girl or to talk about this im joined tonight by dana r. Fischer who studies all kinds of movements in the u. S. And around the world she is a sociology professor at the university of maryland and she joins us tonight from our bureau in washington d. C. For a fessor fisher its good to have you on the day i know youve studied gratitude barragan her influence let me ask you was. Was was granted the obvious choice for person of the year in your opinion i think that it makes a lot of sense for credit to be selected as person a error because she has not just shes not just one person she represents the youth around the world who have been standing up and taking action and letting their voices be heard in ways we really havent heard young people speak in quite some time and she is definitely seen as the face of the movement to the face of a new generation of me she speaks with a language that is mature and beyond her years you could say i want you to take a listen to part of what she had to say today take a listen. Ive given many speeches and learned that when you talking Public Events thought it was something personal or emotional to get everyones attention. Say things like our house is on a fire i wanted to panic or how dare you. But today i will not do that. Because then those phrases are all that people focus on me shes very insightful i mean we wish that some politicians could speak that will well im wondering how powerful or who were what does your data tell you about the power of this emerging generation how much change can they bring about i believe that the young people can bring about as much change as they can imagine but i dont think its just through great as words although great as words are powerful just like you say their brand but i think its also her actions and its not just her actions i mean she originally inspired this movement by taking a very simple action she decided to skip school and sit down outside the parliament in sweden in stockholm with a sharpie dritan you know and a sign that was written by it you know with a sharpie that just said that she was striking for climate and that specific and simple action has spread around the world. But when you look at what she is calling for she is calling for changes that would be seismic transformative i mean were talking about changes in our society that are on par with the shifts that the world experienced during the 2nd world war do you do you see the the will there to make that kind of radical change in the time that we have left. I think that the young people are showing that they have the will and they have been taking personal steps in terms of the way that theyre changing their behaviors and also the way that they have been mobilizing again and again but the problem is that its not the young people who are leading the world right now it is you know adults and right now there is a real disconnect between the interests and the concerns of young people and perhaps the concerns of the people who are leading it do you think is there a generational conflicts in bodied in grids who bear good we have brazils president calling her a brown the us President Donald Trump has trolled her on twitter is this kind of a back old. Moment that were seeing. I think that this is a battle for the future of the world and i think that the young people have decided to start with peace fault protest and take actions that are peaceful and in some cases using civil disobedience thats very peaceful and based on the ways that adults are responding we might see a lot more confrontational action coming from the young people so i think its not just going to be about a back off boomer kind of a message but rather a message where the young people are refusing to sit down and wait until they become adults and see what the world has for them at that point you know its interesting the baby boomers were the generation of rebuilding they had Little Things in their parents generation and its leaders they wanted to change the world and now more than half a century later. Is saying the same thing and looking at the baby boomers and saying how dare you. How do you read that i mean are we looking at a huge failure in one generation or are we looking at have still youre in the movement that began in the 1960 s. Well i would say that the boomers did change the world they maybe just didnt change in the ways that were necessary to address the Climate Crisis i think that this is not about a failure of people who came of age in the 1960 s. Because a lot of what they were concerned about were different issues and were not as globally framed at least and certainly the Climate Crisis wasnt being discussed at that point i think that the problem is that the system that developed and emerged and that the boomers used to become successful has had unfortunately dire consequences to the planet and to the climate and at this point there are radical changes that are needed that the young people are pointing towards to to correct the problem and i think that its wonderful to see young people taking a stand i think gretta has inspired people around the world in in ways that wouldnt have been possible without social media and i think that its nice to see young people selling gauged in politics against. These young people will soon be. The have a big impact on democracy professor do your official joining us tonight from washington good lives with you we appreciate your insights and your time tonight thank you. Thank you for having me. A footnote from history tonight gratitude bag today became time magazines youngest ever person of the year knocking out the person who had held that distinction for almost a century the aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh at the age of 25 lindbergh became times 1st person of the year back in 1970 that was the year that he became the 1st person to fly across the Atlantic Ocean and there is an irony there the mode of transportation which made him famous is the mode of transport gretta has avoided in her travels and we understand how ever in his later years lindbergh became somewhat of an environmentalist the pioneering pilot once said if i had to choose i would rather have birds than airplanes. But we move now from a young woman who has quickly become a global icon of hope to a nobel peace laureate who some say has quickly become a symbol of misplaced expectations mian mars civilian leader aung sang suu kyi today defended her country before the uns top court at the hague saying there is no proof that her countrys military led a campaign of genocide against muslims yet that contradicts a u. N. Investigation and testimony that was delivered on tuesday describing barbaric acts against the range of population including children and babies on song suchi did not rule out that disproportionate force may have been used by many of mars armed forces but she denied that any crimes committed qualify as genocide more than 700000 bridges fled me in march a neighboring bangladesh to escape what has been described as a campaign involving ethnic cleansing with mass rapes and killings lets hear part of what im saying is who she had to say today. The span mind this complex situation and the challenge to sovereignty and security in our country when you are assessing the intent of those who attempted to do with their rebellion surely under the circumstances genocidal intent cannot be the only hypothesis that was a exams gee there speaking earlier today well for more on this im joined tonight by peter problem as a journalist peter has visited me in more under cover a number of times he is the author of 2 books about unsung suchi and burma entitled the lady in the peacock and the lady and the generals he joins us tonight from london peter its good to have you on the program what do you thinks. Going to let me ask you just the put us into aung sun suu cheese mind here why do you think she chose to go to the hague and to testify she didnt have to i mean is she in danger of being directly linked to the military crackdown against the were injured by appearing in this trial. I think from the western perspective from our perspective it looks an incredibly risky thing to do i mean shes sitting in the hague in the same sort of situation in which people who are undoubted will criminal such as record not diction and Slobodan Milosevic found themselves not long ago and who spent the rest of their lives in jail shes come voluntarily and its been a bit of a a sensation that she did so i think we have to look at it from her point of view she has a general election next year. Her party has been in power for the last 5 years and they really have not done any of the things which she wanted them to do she wanted them to create peace along the borders of burma that hasnt happened she wanted it the economy to improve dramatically which certainly hasnt happened basically the the countries of wallowing in money much as it was when she took power by coming to the hague by being so obviously courageous in facing her countrys accuses shes a rotten house elf in the flag and its already done her a lot of good politically back home in a number of ground is round the country supporting the old enthusiasm among ordinary burmese people for her seems to have been renewed while you make her sound like a seasoned and experienced western politician you know it shes up for reelection so distract the voters you know dont make them think about the problems at home by showing them how great we are or how great the leader is on the global stage and she is she thinking that way. I dont think we have to regard this as a cynicism particularly im not think shes sincerely is is sees itself as a protecting her nations on when it should threat through International Organizations and in this shes that you reflects a great amount of popular opinion in india i think the curator aspect of it certainly from our point of view but also in asia there is that she. Is coming to the defense of an army which is undoubtedly guilty of many war crimes not only in russia kind state but in in many other places around the border over the last decade and which she herself has condemned in the past and she herself has been the victims of the un and spend many many years in under house arrest because of the army so its a very paradoxical position to find herself in but i think the political calculus is really the the best explanation shes hoping to gain further support to make a decisive victory in next years election and shes probably also hoping that by defending beyond his actions so outrageously in our view in this forum she will also improve relations with the army which in fact have not been good. She has been in palace and 2016 but the army still holds a majority of real power and according to journalists within within the country the army and she are very bad terms mean shes trying to change you know sorry if that means if i could just ask you i want your take on what we saw in san suu kyi she met with the Chinese Foreign minister before she left me and more for the hague what is that relationship playing do you think. Well from very early in rule from back in 2016 she has been. Keen to india herself to the chinese china as is right on own terms thought of this been an ambivalent relationship between china going life back to 148 when the country attained in the pendants and and. Maoist government in china fomented a maoist rebellion which threatened to to destroy the burmese government so having good relations with china makes a lot of sense for burma and its always been difficult but the of tragically really this destructive policy towards arrange it which she has largely endorsed is something which is music to the it is a presidency shouldnt thing and look at the way theyre treating their weakness in xinjiang in in china unfortunately this plays into into what is becoming increasingly the dominant discourse in asia likewise and that Narendra Modi and in india. Toughened chauvinist equality against his works. You know robin joining us tonight from one peter we appreciate your time your insights helping us better understand on sun suchi thank you no problem thank you. British voters go to the polls tomorrow thursday for an election which could decide the fate of breaks it in in the unlikely case you havent heard brakes of course is the countrys exit from the European Union which has not been implemented yet the conservatives are pushing a simple message promising again to do what they have so far failed to do to deliver as they say breaks it but today we want to look at the Opposition Labor Party which is led by Jeremy Corbyn now their campaign has focused on the growing divisions in society and theyre promising to give the British Public a chance to rethink bricks. Its time for real change thats the message the labor party wants to get across to voters gerry corbin is pledging to nationalize utilities and pour money into Public Services and in years of austerity under the conservatives weve had 9 years in which 150 people have become millionaires in britain weve had 9 years during which 4000000 children are living in poverty dont you think its time to get rid of the government that brought that about through the poll ratings show labor training the conservatives corbin has struggled to put down allegations that hes allowed anti semitism to thrive in the party earlier this year 8 lawmakers resigned in protest over and she said it isnt. The london district of battersea its considered a bellwether area as it usually votes for the party that ends up winning this time many seem disillusioned just a kind of im not really concentrating anymore not at all if im honest i probably more traditional labor and i would certainly would like to vote for labor however im not convinced that. Breaks it 50 could be the Biggest Issue for a long time labor had no clear policy on bracks it now corbin says hed renegotiate the back seat deal with europe and then hold a 2nd referendum. Actually over and. Probably more keen to actually just finish this brigs the process now i dont want to drag it on any longer i preferred a conservative government. And i want bricks. That service say the labor party and corbin in particular have an image problem he see this week he sees indecisive he sees unpack she ought to see the soft on terrorism and crime and hes seen as someone who simply cant make up their mind on brets it does say that the labor partys poll ratings have improved as the campaign has progressed and Jeremy Colvin is competing with the Prime Minister his popularity ratings on a good idea whether labor compile off an upset will depend on those undecided voters as. Well for more now were joined by an authority on the u. K. Politics the veteran journalist quentin peel is now with chad of helps in london point its good to have you back on the show on this election the tell me why is this election the most important in a generation as being claimed why does it matter so much. I think because of wrecks it because however this comes out i think the u. K. Will crash out of the European Union probably on gender that if that support is johnson gets his majority and if he doesnt get the majority will probably go back to have a 2nd referendum and thats a huge constitutional question for britain having said that its the most infuriating election at the same time its people rigid theyve gone all in on the same message is to lead figures johnson and could a bit of both actually really dislike any differences group it is dislike move the johnson yeah its like you know pick your poison is here the conservatives it seems are pushing even further to the right with this breaks in policy labor seems to be going further to the left with the loss of the Political Center in a loss of political social cohesion you know thats a reality and it will not be stopped by this election am i correct. Yes you know up the surprising thing about the election is that when both parties have chosen to get more extreme nobody else is really succeeding in filling the Center Ground the liberal democrats were expected to do really quite well and then founded i suspect the fundamental film here is the 1st past the post system in britain race militates in favor of the 2 big parties so the said to get school eased so just when people actually i think would be quite attracted by a centrist party its playing to the way it looks like the whole things going to be split between labor and conservative and when youre talking about the voters and their fatigue theres a lot of talk about brags that yet the lack of interest in braggs it is what many say led to the bridge referendum victory in 2016 so does anyone know why the british voters seems to be so yeah disconnected and just yeah so bored with the system. Breaks it is very complicated guessing at the European Union after 35 years as a member of an increasingly integrated market and system of government is actually really complicated and people dont want to know the complication they want to be nice black and white question a week out from those who voted to get out and they did it for a very emotional rather dash the listing reasons they just say get it down and they dont want to know that its going to be very complicated this process is going to drag on not just for months and all its going to drag out 3 years but bush joan said well its to take his aunt and then negotiate from the outside. At the ask you also quitting for people around the world looking at this election i mean its happening in december and december is a dark time here in Northern Europe especially for the u. K. And most elections are not held in december how much of a factor do you think thats going to be tomorrow i mean people arent in the mood to go out and vote are they. Standing at the best stuff in london tonight and that was really freezing. I think that might be a lever because of that but because people nonetheless feel strongly about it if its a term that traditionally thats not good for the labor party their voters tend to be the ones who will come out its the height that the voters who feel most passionately will that may be the president sit people i think sitting here tonight looking much more likely that johnson will get his working majority maybe not a huge one but maybe 20 or 30 seats rather than it will be a 170. 00 again but we have the most volatile electorate day that i can ever remember and so it could be anything from 100 per cent to of majority of even to 65 johnson yeah youre right i mean the voters are polarized and its part of the never to predict what they will do when people we appreciate as always your insights tonight stands on your will find out tomorrow what the voters have decided thank you. Thank you. 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A lot of very warm welcome indeed to focus on europe with me peter craven and we begin this week with the threat posed by russian Cyber Attacks on the west were not just talking about data theft but also the spreading of whats described as industrial scale dissin from a computer experts loyal to the kremlin socalled trolls are accused of infiltrating