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In the middle east who is in power broker one and going to. Meet. Up. With her story much for joining us on to the point and my guests here in the studio include reggaeton arm who is a freelance journalist from lebanon she says russia wants to be in a position to ease all worsen tensions in the region that will deepen migration flows to europe and continue kyra saying america and its allies also with us is about to make this a call for w. s Russian Department and he points to a russian saying that goes holy space is never seen russia has filled the vacuum created by others. And a very warm welcome to Daniel Gallup editor in chief of the middle east course in the senate and the new. In the middle east russia is making very efficient use of its very limited resources which can be said for countries in the west are good thank you all free for being held like to begin with you are again a full blown war between the u. S. And iran appears to have been avoided for the time being but where does that leave us in the middle east and what can you tell us about the role of russia in the region. Well of course i mean if we look at the last few years in the middle east of course we can all agree that russia has gained more weight. Recently especially in places like in syria and recently in libya but i think this is all because the americans have chosen to step back from the region at least militarily and at the moment politically they dont seem to be interested in and they coming any any peace deals or being involved much so when the russia saw that void i mean we cant go back to this in the and the course of the conversation to speak of all started but thats just so an opportunity it can step in and try and really embrace the fact that it was once a big power in the world and once a big power and been really still a snow is once again the german magazine cicero described russia or is the central actor in the whole mideast region is that over the top or is the plausible i think it is a little bit over the top but i mean it is as i said it is only a big power at the moment because the americans have chose to be if the americans decide to step back and decide to be involved as they once were then that russians would not stand a chance to stay the big powers the big the big players they out at the moment but want to be russia is resurgent at the moment moscow has a real clout in this region were with them today out how do you explain the return to power and influence from your perspective while russia has a very strong very long history of military presence in syria and libya from the soviet times Russian Troops and russian depends were delivered to syria from late if you 2 years in a very base there until the collapse of the soviet union the same for you where russian government soviet government was one of the 1st in the world to recognized. Qaddafi as a huge of state after the putsch and the year after. Troops are present in libya as well so its a quite the historical link that theyre both country and now we have 20 years in the power in russia last year in december so huge doing step by step reconstruction of the russian influence not to the soviet level of course but im quite agree with you that the russian trying to use the not limit not more putri sources its have but limited resources but very very smart very very smart indeed i just want to be near the beginning of the show we have this quote from you holy spaces never empty was not all of it its about if you leave some space its not about geopolitics its a general life. Virus from the old wives memes saying if you leave a space which is very attractive to many parts many many participants someone will jump on the so if america leaves a place or europe leaves someone didnt jump jump in the tripe of them and they had the space and its goals not only for jim dont you know theres a certain fascination for russia even after admitted among the analysts and on the people that are dealing with the middle east professionally. Sometimes middle east experts are jokingly saying that the reason why we are so fascinated with russia is because one of us made it to the top of the country because im talking about of course they used any pinnacle was very influential in very influential soviet leader and it was a middle east expert and a very eloquent arabic speaker but beyond this. There is myth and there is reality of course and the russian role is important but the strategies and tactics that russia applies are not so difficult to decipher and secondly i think it would be easy to follow the example of russian policies in the middle east europe could do that very easily but then it would have to stop caring about human rights it would stop caring about values whatever the russians challenge is well used and it would have to abandon certain of its Foreign Policy principles and thats the dilemma because what russia does basically is stabilizing governments they consider legitimate and. A lot of it will move. About values based policy of course of course none of this is something that is completely i would say anathema to the russian Foreign Policy but its something that they consider hypocritical and a western idea and so they say our the Foreign Policy argument goes we are with the state we are with the government regardless of the expenses and. Russia is not limited by your limitations or so from intentions of the rest of war theres no talks of democracy in russia or very close russia is very pragmatic in their Foreign Policy. Yeah i mean thats why that actions were never bothered by all the massacres that happened in syria. And they were facilitated by the russians maybe when when decided in 2015 when he said the russians were never told that are you talking about the russian the russian policymakers the russian the leaders i mean the russians you can help me but i mean that russia has no one who is a true bite i am if you look back in the 2nd floor and just now for the same script apply to syria are richer as a player purchase now in the 2nd for your destroy the mother rights and then you destroy the extremist and then you establish the beauty of it nor regret it in no cost and that they are people involved by the way because it was put in sworn at least with regard to the 2nd chechen rebels not not in the news clip its quite right all for us russia have no limitations and all very nervous but just clearly russia is here to stay reflecting what you were saying about the just the fascination that some german commentators have with rather than germans by the way and also the german one want to see one senior german spokesman recently described russia as indispensable so clearly russia we mightnt i dont know im not im not sure whos going to break the lines here for a lot of my putin today but we might not like. Policies but the but theyre here to stay i think i think they have put in has and this is probably the strategic i dont want to call it genius but the strategic advantage of prudence you do. Want to step back for from this i dont want to express that too much admiration for this because if you analyze it is actually not so difficult he put himself in if into a position from which he can benefit from all the mistakes that others make in the region and he can somehow he can digest. Something that the others cannot and by these Means Project power and this is a situation of really unique situation and also what is interesting is like weve been probably we will talk about the war of narratives that a boy on is the syria war is it a western conspiracy as Many Russians believe is it just like a terrorist uprising an attempt to destabilize the region or even to to oust russian interests in the region we have a lot of narratives going on my fascination my main rather intrigued i have to say also when i travel to moscow to talk to russian experts about this is that it doesnt really matter there is kind of you know theres a little there that isnt listening to be comfortable with with with these conflicting narratives as long as there is no western narrative that dominates and. I find this a very very interesting aspect of Foreign Policy also if is it true that assad used chemical weapons or is it not true is it true that there is a conspiracy against the Syrian Government because the western countries wanted to allegedly establish a gas pipeline from the gulf to the mediterranean which would compete with russian interests no matter there is a lot of theories and a lot of narratives around and my feeling is that russia the russian the official russian state say or proponents of the official russian state narrative can very well live with these conflicting narratives because it helps them to project their power in the region. Putin may be a genius but he has certainly played. With this slow withdrawal the United States from the middle east as a result of russia is now perhaps the key broker in the reach. In turkey syria iran israel saudi arabia in egypt and libya. Around the mideast are building closer ties with Vladimir Putins. That he provides incentives. Syria his troops are fighting to defend Bashir Al Assad regime in return russia gets to military bases on syrian territory and nato southeastern tip. Countries in the region are buying russian Weapons Systems even nato member turkey. Russian Nuclear Plants are also in demand russia provides them fully operational to egypt for example and promises investments along the suez canal. Offers Diplomatic Services as well mediating for instance between arch enemies iran and saudi arabia and between syria and turkey and between libya and german chancellor angela merkel. Ousting the United States is power broker in the middle east. Just in a moment we were talking about the methods being employed by the russian leadership. Tell us a little bit more about what the strategic goal will to take all this. First of all is mention. Original power. In the middle east through the old soviet. Influence and in the region. Security 1st theres no talks about democracy or human rights from russia what they want to mention as well. That the russian Public Opinion doesnt play a huge role so there are politics do whatever they want in russian army as well on the ground there are public is not as much as concerned of the happenings in syria or leave as it was in charge now not concerned or they are actually applauded then and not really concerned there of time to time have messages from russian contractors killed didnt leave. On the office the level denies the involvement because its a private contractors which are on the ground in libya from private companies. Their time to times news about People Killed or injured in libya deliberate back for treatment to russia but on the officeholders of the numbers are very low really has to be snowed in and i have no children um because the russians dont deploy like massive troops like the american thats in the modern iraq or where they just send mainly experts and they deploy small number of troops mainly because russia is incapable of sounding like a big number of troops its ministries is lots of very well. Montagne and lacks way behind the American Military when it comes to to financing it so it doesnt really have that much money to be able to fund all its ambitions in the region and militarily its cannot its cannot support that i mean aside from sending experts and trying to politically play on on. Use its leverage to mediate between some parties its i mean its better if its a get the moment from it it has managed it has to be said that has managed to build their relations with the gulf is with the gulf countries especially saudi arabia despite all the differences between them on several topics just how it was in syria but they managed to agree on the oil market to be able to Work Together to stabilize their almighty what kids and look at elland and this is you just read out like how theyre dealing with their potential opponents an enemy is the friendship. Or lets say the very very personal and at the same template technical relationship between the other one and putin is something really fascinating to see like how how those heads of state in the region that theyre really afraid of russia because they say like the americans are far away but the russians can do us harm and we and we know they can do us harm and so they go to moscow and this is a fascinating if you look at the Syrian Opposition the Syrian Opposition has i think rightfully claim that russia is responsible for many casualties many dead in the war in syria actively and directly responsible however the Syrian Opposition has always gone to moscow its always been open to moscow never tried to alienate moscow too much because they were afraid but also because they thought that its absolutely important to to entertain relationships with moscow the russians have also brought up the negotiations and the attempts to bring in some Political Solutions alongside the military solution. The Constitutional Committee in syria thats being much talked about that is currently meeting on a current day but that that has started rethinking geneva thought it may be fail fail to be 40 even started but this committee was a russian project and the United Nations implemented this because they said if the russians want this we will do it in order to be able to have the initiative doesnt mean that its a successful as it has recently youre right that might have then we should do this but doesnt mean that theyre capable of making them get to places all right but that but that theyre trying to offer a different scenario ive recently talked to a. Pretty i think influential Foreign Policy expert from russia who said the war in syria for us was a successful startup but as every start up can be considered a cynical statement about if you look if you look at whats the what of the consequences but whoever said it was it was a successful start about like every start of you need to have an exit you need to sell it and we havent actually found a way to sell the start of successfully so they are trying theyre trying to keep the political process ongoing also to Gain International legitimacy and at the same time during this to. Im to have blood try to find a military solution but i think the russians are honest about something they know that just conquering every bit of syrian territory with the bashar assad is not enough they need to find a political solution and they havent found it so its an extent as a vacuum within a vacuum and a lot of people are saying the read the europeans should be doing more is there are they right to say thats and if yes what should the europeans be getting up to what he has of course the europeans should do more because the of the europeans are the 1st suffers of anything that happens in the middle east and we saw the consequences of the syrian war on europe that it did not did not suffer from from the consequences it was germany particularly that suffered from the over 1000000 refugees from syria thats came here so of course that have to do more but if we look at the history of Europe Europes relation with russia its been really like nonexistent because we were the member in 2008 when russia had her small war with georgia and it was over a few days but it brought europeans the response was not like major and then there was also the other russians adventure in ukraine when they took over crimea and they had opinions on the imposed some small sanctions but russia 5 that it can get away with anything its doing basically and this made her feel empowered to go further and start in syria as well from the 1st kind of country which was harmed by war and sort of was not germany that was turkey which got to millions of refugees red letter and if you want job done like my i dont know if jordan in almost 1000000 but there wasnt much talk in your about the refugee crisis in jordan lebanon or of us turkey before 2015 because it was not right it was a very narrow not metal site of public succession. Lets just talk continue on the theme of the europeans they have tended traditionally to stand aside and leave the dominant role in the middle east in diplomacy at least to the more influential americans take one look at the current conflict in libya and you can see why after all they dont even have a shared strategy. Libyas defacto strongman is cody for have tar in the field marshall was long an asset of the cia. And his Libyan National army has parts of the country under their control and routed the islamist militias now his troops are poised to take the capital. Internationally recognized as libyas president. But his power is limited to the greater to poly area he receives military support from turkey and libyas former colonial power italy. But france and russia back qatar the putin denies sending military support. If there are russian citizens there they do not represent the interests of the russian state and do not receive money from the russian state new belief. In the coming days the warring factions will attempt to negotiate a cease fire in berlin. Can the squabbling european players and russia agree on a common approach to libya. The crisis in libya. Together calling for us libya peace conference in this coming weekend what can we expect what can we hope for realistically you know well both both have so far failed in their endeavor to solve this conflict and its interesting that are now standing together russia has tried to broker a peace deal between. Russia and supported the general. Operation turkey on the other side. Refused to sign this. For the moment. With a cease fire lets say he said he needs to get the backing of his tribal allies in libya before maybe he didnt want to be seen also as as a servant to russian interests and like show that he has a certain degree of independence the german approached. Was to talk to all the parties involved the United Arab Emirates saudi arabia Russian Department<\/a> and he points to a russian saying that goes holy space is never seen russia has filled the vacuum created by others. And a very warm welcome to Daniel Gallup<\/a> editor in chief of the middle east course in the senate and the new. In the middle east russia is making very efficient use of its very limited resources which can be said for countries in the west are good thank you all free for being held like to begin with you are again a full blown war between the u. S. And iran appears to have been avoided for the time being but where does that leave us in the middle east and what can you tell us about the role of russia in the region. Well of course i mean if we look at the last few years in the middle east of course we can all agree that russia has gained more weight. Recently especially in places like in syria and recently in libya but i think this is all because the americans have chosen to step back from the region at least militarily and at the moment politically they dont seem to be interested in and they coming any any peace deals or being involved much so when the russia saw that void i mean we cant go back to this in the and the course of the conversation to speak of all started but thats just so an opportunity it can step in and try and really embrace the fact that it was once a big power in the world and once a big power and been really still a snow is once again the german magazine cicero described russia or is the central actor in the whole mideast region is that over the top or is the plausible i think it is a little bit over the top but i mean it is as i said it is only a big power at the moment because the americans have chose to be if the americans decide to step back and decide to be involved as they once were then that russians would not stand a chance to stay the big powers the big the big players they out at the moment but want to be russia is resurgent at the moment moscow has a real clout in this region were with them today out how do you explain the return to power and influence from your perspective while russia has a very strong very long history of military presence in syria and libya from the soviet times Russian Troops<\/a> and russian depends were delivered to syria from late if you 2 years in a very base there until the collapse of the soviet union the same for you where russian government soviet government was one of the 1st in the world to recognized. Qaddafi as a huge of state after the putsch and the year after. Troops are present in libya as well so its a quite the historical link that theyre both country and now we have 20 years in the power in russia last year in december so huge doing step by step reconstruction of the russian influence not to the soviet level of course but im quite agree with you that the russian trying to use the not limit not more putri sources its have but limited resources but very very smart very very smart indeed i just want to be near the beginning of the show we have this quote from you holy spaces never empty was not all of it its about if you leave some space its not about geopolitics its a general life. Virus from the old wives memes saying if you leave a space which is very attractive to many parts many many participants someone will jump on the so if america leaves a place or europe leaves someone didnt jump jump in the tripe of them and they had the space and its goals not only for jim dont you know theres a certain fascination for russia even after admitted among the analysts and on the people that are dealing with the middle east professionally. Sometimes middle east experts are jokingly saying that the reason why we are so fascinated with russia is because one of us made it to the top of the country because im talking about of course they used any pinnacle was very influential in very influential soviet leader and it was a middle east expert and a very eloquent arabic speaker but beyond this. There is myth and there is reality of course and the russian role is important but the strategies and tactics that russia applies are not so difficult to decipher and secondly i think it would be easy to follow the example of russian policies in the middle east europe could do that very easily but then it would have to stop caring about human rights it would stop caring about values whatever the russians challenge is well used and it would have to abandon certain of its Foreign Policy<\/a> principles and thats the dilemma because what russia does basically is stabilizing governments they consider legitimate and. A lot of it will move. About values based policy of course of course none of this is something that is completely i would say anathema to the russian Foreign Policy<\/a> but its something that they consider hypocritical and a western idea and so they say our the Foreign Policy<\/a> argument goes we are with the state we are with the government regardless of the expenses and. Russia is not limited by your limitations or so from intentions of the rest of war theres no talks of democracy in russia or very close russia is very pragmatic in their Foreign Policy<\/a>. Yeah i mean thats why that actions were never bothered by all the massacres that happened in syria. And they were facilitated by the russians maybe when when decided in 2015 when he said the russians were never told that are you talking about the russian the russian policymakers the russian the leaders i mean the russians you can help me but i mean that russia has no one who is a true bite i am if you look back in the 2nd floor and just now for the same script apply to syria are richer as a player purchase now in the 2nd for your destroy the mother rights and then you destroy the extremist and then you establish the beauty of it nor regret it in no cost and that they are people involved by the way because it was put in sworn at least with regard to the 2nd chechen rebels not not in the news clip its quite right all for us russia have no limitations and all very nervous but just clearly russia is here to stay reflecting what you were saying about the just the fascination that some german commentators have with rather than germans by the way and also the german one want to see one senior german spokesman recently described russia as indispensable so clearly russia we mightnt i dont know im not im not sure whos going to break the lines here for a lot of my putin today but we might not like. Policies but the but theyre here to stay i think i think they have put in has and this is probably the strategic i dont want to call it genius but the strategic advantage of prudence you do. Want to step back for from this i dont want to express that too much admiration for this because if you analyze it is actually not so difficult he put himself in if into a position from which he can benefit from all the mistakes that others make in the region and he can somehow he can digest. Something that the others cannot and by these Means Project<\/a> power and this is a situation of really unique situation and also what is interesting is like weve been probably we will talk about the war of narratives that a boy on is the syria war is it a western conspiracy as Many Russians<\/a> believe is it just like a terrorist uprising an attempt to destabilize the region or even to to oust russian interests in the region we have a lot of narratives going on my fascination my main rather intrigued i have to say also when i travel to moscow to talk to russian experts about this is that it doesnt really matter there is kind of you know theres a little there that isnt listening to be comfortable with with with these conflicting narratives as long as there is no western narrative that dominates and. I find this a very very interesting aspect of Foreign Policy<\/a> also if is it true that assad used chemical weapons or is it not true is it true that there is a conspiracy against the Syrian Government<\/a> because the western countries wanted to allegedly establish a gas pipeline from the gulf to the mediterranean which would compete with russian interests no matter there is a lot of theories and a lot of narratives around and my feeling is that russia the russian the official russian state say or proponents of the official russian state narrative can very well live with these conflicting narratives because it helps them to project their power in the region. Putin may be a genius but he has certainly played. With this slow withdrawal the United States<\/a> from the middle east as a result of russia is now perhaps the key broker in the reach. In turkey syria iran israel saudi arabia in egypt and libya. Around the mideast are building closer ties with Vladimir Putin<\/a>s. That he provides incentives. Syria his troops are fighting to defend Bashir Al Assad<\/a> regime in return russia gets to military bases on syrian territory and nato southeastern tip. Countries in the region are buying russian Weapons Systems<\/a> even nato member turkey. Russian Nuclear Plants<\/a> are also in demand russia provides them fully operational to egypt for example and promises investments along the suez canal. Offers Diplomatic Services<\/a> as well mediating for instance between arch enemies iran and saudi arabia and between syria and turkey and between libya and german chancellor angela merkel. Ousting the United States<\/a> is power broker in the middle east. Just in a moment we were talking about the methods being employed by the russian leadership. Tell us a little bit more about what the strategic goal will to take all this. First of all is mention. Original power. In the middle east through the old soviet. Influence and in the region. Security 1st theres no talks about democracy or human rights from russia what they want to mention as well. That the russian Public Opinion<\/a> doesnt play a huge role so there are politics do whatever they want in russian army as well on the ground there are public is not as much as concerned of the happenings in syria or leave as it was in charge now not concerned or they are actually applauded then and not really concerned there of time to time have messages from russian contractors killed didnt leave. On the office the level denies the involvement because its a private contractors which are on the ground in libya from private companies. Their time to times news about People Killed<\/a> or injured in libya deliberate back for treatment to russia but on the officeholders of the numbers are very low really has to be snowed in and i have no children um because the russians dont deploy like massive troops like the american thats in the modern iraq or where they just send mainly experts and they deploy small number of troops mainly because russia is incapable of sounding like a big number of troops its ministries is lots of very well. Montagne and lacks way behind the American Military<\/a> when it comes to to financing it so it doesnt really have that much money to be able to fund all its ambitions in the region and militarily its cannot its cannot support that i mean aside from sending experts and trying to politically play on on. Use its leverage to mediate between some parties its i mean its better if its a get the moment from it it has managed it has to be said that has managed to build their relations with the gulf is with the gulf countries especially saudi arabia despite all the differences between them on several topics just how it was in syria but they managed to agree on the oil market to be able to Work Together<\/a> to stabilize their almighty what kids and look at elland and this is you just read out like how theyre dealing with their potential opponents an enemy is the friendship. Or lets say the very very personal and at the same template technical relationship between the other one and putin is something really fascinating to see like how how those heads of state in the region that theyre really afraid of russia because they say like the americans are far away but the russians can do us harm and we and we know they can do us harm and so they go to moscow and this is a fascinating if you look at the Syrian Opposition<\/a> the Syrian Opposition<\/a> has i think rightfully claim that russia is responsible for many casualties many dead in the war in syria actively and directly responsible however the Syrian Opposition<\/a> has always gone to moscow its always been open to moscow never tried to alienate moscow too much because they were afraid but also because they thought that its absolutely important to to entertain relationships with moscow the russians have also brought up the negotiations and the attempts to bring in some Political Solutions<\/a> alongside the military solution. The Constitutional Committee<\/a> in syria thats being much talked about that is currently meeting on a current day but that that has started rethinking geneva thought it may be fail fail to be 40 even started but this committee was a russian project and the United Nations<\/a> implemented this because they said if the russians want this we will do it in order to be able to have the initiative doesnt mean that its a successful as it has recently youre right that might have then we should do this but doesnt mean that theyre capable of making them get to places all right but that but that theyre trying to offer a different scenario ive recently talked to a. Pretty i think influential Foreign Policy<\/a> expert from russia who said the war in syria for us was a successful startup but as every start up can be considered a cynical statement about if you look if you look at whats the what of the consequences but whoever said it was it was a successful start about like every start of you need to have an exit you need to sell it and we havent actually found a way to sell the start of successfully so they are trying theyre trying to keep the political process ongoing also to Gain International<\/a> legitimacy and at the same time during this to. Im to have blood try to find a military solution but i think the russians are honest about something they know that just conquering every bit of syrian territory with the bashar assad is not enough they need to find a political solution and they havent found it so its an extent as a vacuum within a vacuum and a lot of people are saying the read the europeans should be doing more is there are they right to say thats and if yes what should the europeans be getting up to what he has of course the europeans should do more because the of the europeans are the 1st suffers of anything that happens in the middle east and we saw the consequences of the syrian war on europe that it did not did not suffer from from the consequences it was germany particularly that suffered from the over 1000000 refugees from syria thats came here so of course that have to do more but if we look at the history of Europe Europes<\/a> relation with russia its been really like nonexistent because we were the member in 2008 when russia had her small war with georgia and it was over a few days but it brought europeans the response was not like major and then there was also the other russians adventure in ukraine when they took over crimea and they had opinions on the imposed some small sanctions but russia 5 that it can get away with anything its doing basically and this made her feel empowered to go further and start in syria as well from the 1st kind of country which was harmed by war and sort of was not germany that was turkey which got to millions of refugees red letter and if you want job done like my i dont know if jordan in almost 1000000 but there wasnt much talk in your about the refugee crisis in jordan lebanon or of us turkey before 2015 because it was not right it was a very narrow not metal site of public succession. Lets just talk continue on the theme of the europeans they have tended traditionally to stand aside and leave the dominant role in the middle east in diplomacy at least to the more influential americans take one look at the current conflict in libya and you can see why after all they dont even have a shared strategy. Libyas defacto strongman is cody for have tar in the field marshall was long an asset of the cia. And his Libyan National<\/a> army has parts of the country under their control and routed the islamist militias now his troops are poised to take the capital. Internationally recognized as libyas president. But his power is limited to the greater to poly area he receives military support from turkey and libyas former colonial power italy. But france and russia back qatar the putin denies sending military support. If there are russian citizens there they do not represent the interests of the russian state and do not receive money from the russian state new belief. In the coming days the warring factions will attempt to negotiate a cease fire in berlin. Can the squabbling european players and russia agree on a common approach to libya. The crisis in libya. Together calling for us libya peace conference in this coming weekend what can we expect what can we hope for realistically you know well both both have so far failed in their endeavor to solve this conflict and its interesting that are now standing together russia has tried to broker a peace deal between. Russia and supported the general. Operation turkey on the other side. Refused to sign this. For the moment. With a cease fire lets say he said he needs to get the backing of his tribal allies in libya before maybe he didnt want to be seen also as as a servant to russian interests and like show that he has a certain degree of independence the german approached. Was to talk to all the parties involved the United Arab Emirates<\/a> saudi arabia Turkey Russia<\/a> egypt algeria. France and italy and others so to make sure that they do bilateral talks with all of these parties before somehow understand their interest and then bring them together to one table and this is happening now i think there is a realistic chance that they could force the warring parties into a cease fire because the government of the internationally recognized government has has no option has to agree with it because its militarily very weak and then on the other hand may. All d his supporters if you refuses to sign this cease fire but what were not sure about to what degree his supporters is backers are honest about about this because it could very well be that this speculate that huffed are would conquer tripoli the capital of libya and then just like broker a cease fire according to his own terms and so they have to make sure that his supporters his backers are really honest about wanting a ceasefire and then i think this conference can ultimately be successful. Yeah i mean this is another this is an authentic actually by russia to prove that it can break a deal it is or it is a big player and it can be seen as a mediator and working together with germany could that be a template for other peace initiatives or peace or influence in the region while the germans or the russians have a good worker relations anyway but literally its a growing relationship. To the noise of the americans mostly but i mean we didnt we have to not forget that this process is also headed by the United Nations<\/a> and the United Nations<\/a> have seek the help of the europeans when it failed to get an agreement in the in the Security Council<\/a> because of the big divisions between the russians and the western allies so yes it could mean this could get to places and if it does then russia would feel more empowered to basically as a big player on the international scene. We come back to the same question of Vladimir Putin<\/a> is he a war monger over a peace maker now thats been the theme of the show im very interested in in the light of these initiatives around libya and possible other old initiatives you know tell tell me about him what his role really means i think this summit than burning them will be a success for russian diplomacy because putin aura is back on the world stage the summit will be huge no no reason how the result of the conference will be if any results at all but its distracting the Public Opinion<\/a> in the war from the ukraine from the crimea on the book involved in ukraine going the talking about normandy part of completely gone youre talking about iran syria and libya and its a more politics and middle east is much more important to smaller engines and it is time you saw in this part of the russian political arguing that the success. But whats got me the price we should be we should really be aware of this and i think and its realistic because of the. Put in will ask for a price able ask for for a compensation for his effort also to support a European Initiative<\/a> that is going to be set like did he want to talk about sanctions against russia because we always talk about sanctions against libya against syria but lets not forget that what is really harmful in video hosting russian establishment that say about russian leadership are the individual sanctions against Many Russians<\/a> because of. What happened in ukraine and in crimea and i think if the russians side with the europeans in their peace efforts they will. Will will have to pay a price for that and i think thats what putin is going to demand and probably has already is going to look forward to going through to the weekend to drag you to just one more question that we said that we would come back to weve got trump the impulsive american president theoretic american president weve got Vladimir Putin<\/a> the opportunistic russian leader if you so will the genius dog. This these 2 gentlemen is going to whip out i mean definitely out of the traps administration have made it much easier for russia to be involved more in the middle east of course the started before with obama when he broke his that outlined threats and he didnt offend syria but made it much quicker when he decided to pull out his the american soldiers from syria and left the scene for the russians who is going to weigh in with the bends if trump wins and other ones the elections next year again. Is going to stay. For. The one thing we do know for sure apparently. We speculate speculate. The situation in the middle east about russias role of very much for joining us on to the point today. Want. A marker. 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