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DW The Day July 13, 2024

The weaker people of sin john the entire population of sin john right in front of the eyes of the world. Cup. Also coming up what to do about the wear and tear on the world order as we know it at the Munich Security Conference that question may not have received many answers but it did earn a new term the. Theme of the Munich Security Conference west les mis. Im glad weve managed to provoke a bit of a debate. With you our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world to welcome us we begin the day with documentation of discrimination religion and culture targeted by the Chinese State a document leaked to the w news appears to confirm what. Many around the world have suspected trying is systematic and meticulous mistreatment of its Muslim Minority weaker people now for years the Chinese Government has claimed that large facilities housing we are Reeducation Center is part of a mass deal Radicalization Program but the United Nations says as many as 1000000 we are being held against their will in camps located in the shin region of the country there in the west and chinese authorities claim that the people are there voluntarily and that theyre receiving Vocational Training to help fight extremism but d. W. News and its german Media Partners have evidence that contradicts that narrative apparently proving that china is putting we girls in prison based on their religion based on their culture the w. s Investigative Reporter naomi conrad has more. Times than i would never have found out my sister if any come without its least rugger going to look at the boy. Its a detailed surveillance document its extremely likely that this is authentic yes its a dress but someone should tell the world whats going on there. Is. No wall. These men now we get muslims from china that home they could be imprisoned for the simple act of praying i quickly come to realize that each one of them has a story of loss. In the fascist Chinese Government wants to eliminate the weak of people in john the entire population of john right in front of the eyes of the world. Up we ask them to raise their hands if they have. Family members whove been imprisoned in chinas province where missed weekends live. Across chin jiang there are dozens of camps holding up to a 1000000 we get. Lets take a closer look at one of them this is a reeducation camp next to a prison. We identified watchtowers and high born. That countless camps like this one the Chinese Government claims they are fallen tree Vocational Training centers designed to fight weak it stream is. True but we received a document which shows that chinas targeting week is based on the identity and religion it lists hundreds of detainees and the reasons for their detention are. Also weaker academic kept away leah you perceived it from a source and took a huge risk sharing it with us. January 8 are you to see the phone call like its messenger. And. He said that stop doing this and we can reach you where were you are yes its the dress but someone. Should take the danger someone should speak up someone should tell the world whats going on. In the document doesnt have any stamp or signature we showed it to several experts who agreed that it is almost certainly an official text. It contains an enormous amount of extremely specific. Data from one very Small Community in. And that. It would take an immense amount of effort and access to publicly on available data to fabricate a document like this in this neighborhood in istanbul where many we live we met one woman whose sister some mentioned on the list. But in news i talked to knew some family members had been imprisoned but it shocked her when she found out that her youngest sister was listed in the document called mbeki edible. I was really sad for days i couldnt sleep. I was really shocked. And sad about her arrest. Ok ill call them. China says its fighting extremism but talked he says her younger sister wasnt religious her only crime she had too many children well all of them though i heard that the conditions in prison are unimaginably bad they dont even have enough food to eat oh. Well she doesnt know if her relatives have been released like countless other we they have been caught up in chinas all encompassing Anti Terrorism drive. Well my 1st guest tonight was key to helping verify the authenticity of this leaked document adrian sense is a senior fellow in china studies at the nonprofit victims of communism he joins us tonight from the u. S. State of minnesota if you its good to have you on the date you say its the details of the minutiae of this report that are unprecedented tell me more about that. Just document lists the identities of nearly 3002. 00 weaker adults plus hundreds of children it shows that the reasons for it internment in detail it shows dont tire family circus of a 3 generations it discusses what it says is the religious inheritance system how people acquired religious knowledge even very minor religious knowledge how people started to pray just doing very harmless normal religious practice such as going to the mosque who told them to do that and finally we have a whole sequence of decisions for each person what it is should be released or not and to obtain this kind of data on so many individuals to monitor and to control so many people it requires an even larger army of people doesnt it. It doesnt china is sparing no manpower to do so besides extensive technological survey and such as hundreds of thousands of security cameras databases are not a technological means the Chinese State has mobilized over 100000 Chinese Government officials were having to spend a lot of time interviewing and visiting we got families sleeping with them eating with them in with them and asking them a whole set of mandatory questions and a lot of that information ends up being entered through a Smartphone App feeding huge data bases and elite document is basically the result of the state of basis and then you if you take the Smartphone App out of the equation this sounds a lot like the secret police of east germany the stasi would you agree i would agree and i think shinji is subtly rivaling the record that eastern germany set in terms of the capital of states operatives information gathering Police Forces of different types. Is becoming the police state number one on this planet. One factor even would you say does the corona Virus Outbreak play here is it actually helping the Chinese State to strengthen its Surveillance System now because i understand theyre using facial Recognition Software to identify people who may be in a database as being infected with the virus for example. The Chinese State is using some of the lessons it has learned in change young in oppressing the muslim minorities and is as you said indeed applying them in order to fight a socalled war on the virus now its using technological means to try to track people track their movements try to recognise where people have been but interestingly theres another parallel war on the virus in eastern china in beijing han and other places is also a very labor intensive chinas mobilizing hundreds of thousands of socalled great management workers theyre responsible for little threats little places that they have to take control of and that system has been paranoid in tibet and shinji so is it possible then that if this outbreak continues to grow and continues to last in china its it could actually weaken the Chinese States ability to surveil the weavers is that what youre saying you know i think the Chinese State is using the Virus Outbreak to use some of the oppressive domestic Security Strategies that it successfully applied in tibet and shinji young and its implying them to the entire country its also becoming an excuse to justify a greater invasion into privacy tracking people tracking movements controlling movements locking down neighborhoods i think beijing is going to use this to actually increase its campaign of domestic security and control over the population ok adrian since joining us tonight from the u. S. State of minnesota and we appreciate your insights tonight thank you thank you. And to find out more about these leaked documents and the work of the w. s Investigative Team go to our website www dot com or you can follow the hash tag caracas list. Will there ever be peace again in libya germany was the latest country to push for a lasting cease fire in the country you may remember the summit here in berlin last month attended by World Leaders well over the weekend at the Munich Security Conference germany again hosted a meeting to come up with a plan to enforce a failing arms embargo in libya libya has been in turmoil ever since 2011 with militias battling for control of the oil rich country the fighting has intensified over the past year a conflict inflamed by foreign governments who have been funneling weapons to the various factions. When now the European Union has agreed on a new Naval Mission to prevent the smuggling of weapons to libya despite resistance from italy and austria which seared naval boats could entice more migrants to cross the mediterranean i am happy to announce that after a very long discussion the longest discussions and more discussion remember we managed to reach a political agreement that this morning before started because i really thought it was going to be possible but we are going to launch a new operation and immediately ran in and we agreed that the zipper a should we have as a goal to implementation of the arms in bottle full but United Nations Security Council divination will come with comprise aerial satellite money time acids. All right im joined now from brussels by due to be used teri schultz terry was at the Munich Security Conference this past weekend terris good to see you what do you make of this European Union Naval Mission to enforce the arms embargo i mean is it going to last and will it work we really have no idea and as you heard you Foreign Policy chief Joseph Burrell say it was very very much a surprise that by the end of the day they were able to get everyone to agree on this mission and they are having to say that it is in principle because so many things are yet known about it i mean they havent been able to work out what they call rules of engagement and this is a really tricky thing because as you might remember operation sophia which was the predecessor of this new mission also was responsible for picking up drowning migrants thats what doomed it thats what made italy demand that the operation be suspended so this new mission is supposed to only deal with enforcing the arms embargo and its pretty unclear what will happen if you come across a boat full of drowning people theyre obligated by International Law to pick them up so there are many things and many things to be worked out ahead so were not even sure how its going to get off the ground or into the sea as it might be and very much further down the road to see if it will work with both turkey and russia shipping arms in constantly to libya there was a new term calling at the conference this weekend in munich west les mis what is that whats the what was it about. Yes this was this was the title that was made up by the Munich Security Conference to try to provoke dialogue there and i think it worked for from what i saw it was it was meant to sort of signal that the west was losing its influence over the rest of the world and losing its ambition to that you know the e. U. And the u. S. Arent working together so well anymore so that maybe they werent going to be the powerhouses any longer and that was what they hoped to get people to talk about and it worked here and now that we know what west listeners is i want you to take a listen to this i think that were seeing not just west listeners but more listeners and so the contribution of the west which is to say that accountability of power is essential in the modern world not just domestically but internationally is being lost theres no better example of that the most going on in syria today. Syria 900000 people displaced by fighting in northwest syria since december alone thats according to the u. N. Was syria even talked about in munich this week. Not very much brant and that was to the great chagrin of David Miliband who is now head of the International Rescue committee syria was really not on the front burner even as you could read the headlines every day while we were at the conference hearing about about how desperate the situation is for civilians there that there are babies freezing to death every night that the shelling goes on and on and on and there you have the Russian Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov you know who is supporting the assad regime and yet everything was very civilized in syria really didnt come up they had you know things moving on afghanistan good news on afghanistan and they were pushing on libya but. It is i agree with David Miliband its kind of inexcusable we werent talking about about syria and the incredible human tragedy unfolding there by the minute you moderated pamelas one with the u. S. Secretary of state another with the u. S. Defense secretary at the conference what did they say about the state of Transatlantic Relations today. Well secretary pompei ok men and basically beat the europeans at their own game the europeans you know have been saying that the u. S. Has been turning away has not wanted to reinforce the transatlantic ties so then secretary pompei ok man and in double the speaking time he was a lot of i might add made this speech saying the west is winning and were both on the same team and were on the winning team and everyone was was really surprised he was talking about what he considered the initiatives that the u. S. And e. U. Are on the same side on and how successful they were he didnt talk about you know pulling out of the paris climate treaty he didnt talk about the iran deal where the u. S. And the e. U. Were diametrically opposed to each other and so people in the audience were kind of shaking their heads and nobody stood up and applauded him which is probably what he was what ive hoped. Briefly wessels this we would house or want to do with the trump of geopolitics i mean if you compare the conference that we saw this week into the compass as weve seen just a couple years ago would you say that theres a slight hope that the new u. S. President would maybe restore were what seems to have been the wall pst. Well brant im sure you read the polls in the United States as well and i dont see anybody any longer having a whole lot of hope that President Trump is going to be defeated i mean im not there im not an expert at whats happening and of course the process is just getting under way but people have gone from a couple of years ago thinking that the trump phenomenon was a one time thing and that perhaps 4 years of him and then we can get back to normal the kind of normal way of discussing things of teaming up together between the u. S. And europe to thinking that its going to be 4 more years of a Trump Presidency and people are trying to trying to calculate what is going to be irreversible after 8 years of trump when it comes to climate when it comes to the Iranian Nuclear program those are some of the the biggest concerns right now i dont think theres a lot of hope and a more free europe that they were just waiting it out for 4 more years but of course we are just at the beginning of the u. S. Electoral season so im sure a lot of europeans still will keep their fingers crossed for what goes or proves the 4 years. In politics but also your politics as well to results on the story for us tonight in brussels to we appreciate your insights thank you. Well here in germany carnival celebrations are about to begin in the mostly catholic west of the country that means costume parties and parades leading up to the period of lit in the city of cologne one bakery is drawing criticism for its carnival suites my colleague rebecca rivers joins me now for the scoop on this its not such a sweet story here because the dispute about well thats very right brant as you mentioned a bakery in cologne has refashioned a regular suite that it sells all the time because of chocolate kisses its causing quite widespread anger here in germany the shock of course has been exaggerated these one specially for connell carnival to feature. Racial stereotypes facial racial stereotypes of african and north africans generally considered racist and offensive this afro german also. Posted a picture of the pastries with the caption cafe from a year pastries discussed me kicked off a debate online and the lodge majority of traffic in resp

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