A pass to show whether or not its a common european house we will soon need something close to normal Economic Activity we have to face and overcome and the public will challenge and emergency thats having a destructive impact on the Health Systems our economies and our social systems not only will we have thousands of coronavirus deaths but we will also have millions of unemployed and. We are not writing pages of a business handbook here we are writing the pages of a history book. Also coming up the coronavirus has already appended daily life around the globe when the pandemic is over what kind of world will we live in will europe keep its promise to protect your data privacy these are plucked from the this platform is the european city should it conforms to Data Protection regulations and respect society our values and can contribute to Health Protection. Or to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the Health Crisis that has become a human crisis today the head of the United Nations declared the coronavirus pandemic the greatest test that the world has faced since the 2nd world war and so far the solutions appear bigger than any one country the. This is not news to the people in italy the death toll from the virus is the highest in the world their hospitals are at their limits along with the countrys entire economy unemployment is rising and more people are facing hunger the government is now distributing food vouchers but no one is kidding themselves tonight the gap between desperation and social unrest is getting smaller by the day italys streets empty like they have been for the past 3 weeks. Police are in patrol to ensure citizens only leave their homes when strictly necessary. The lockdown has altered daily life in italy and brought the countrys economy to a halt all nonessential businesses have had to shut down many people have lost their jobs or have seen their salaries cut some are now unable to afford even the basics. Authorities and individual citizens have stepped in handing out meals to those in need but these initiatives are hardly enough and the risk of social unrest in italy is growing the mayor of naples has warned that the lockdown cant continue indefinitely. But he still we will soon need something close to normal Economic Activity. Otherwise not only will we have thousands of coronavirus deaths but we will also have millions of Unemployed People need you will need each local body that you know organized crime will stop and it can spend money and it can spend it faster than the government you copied it it will stop in sicily police are patrolling supermarkets after reports of shoppers refusing to pay italy isnt the only nation with a lockdown is hitting the poor hardest it might again prove to be an example of whats to come in other countries paralyzed by the coronavirus crisis. Over more now we want to bring in thomas own on the cine hes a member of the Italian Senate for the center Left Democratic Party which is one of the parties in the Italian Government hes also a political economist mr not a genie welcome to the day our condolences to your country and all those who have lost loved ones due to the virus your country is now in its 4th week of this lockdown the economy is shut down does everyone in italy tonight have enough to eat how do you think you have things for i mean. Its true the situation is still dramatic as saying and were still at the peak of the imagine city and he had to Karen Maginnis and the governments just extend the lot there are an essential services. To the 18 until easter until a preterist in. We are confident that thanks to their old hour they peak. This one over although we are aware that it and seizure out of the lock down will be very difficult in that will have to be. Gradual you know the transition after the lockdown the you tweeted earlier today that after the coronavirus pandemic there will be a new world whether we like it or not and it will depend on the choices being made today what are those choices whether we should be or be aware of that of the huge responsibility that italian than it would say european leaders should face in this morning because the effect of the choices that they were already raging in those difficult times will last. Theyre proving how. At the moment that we should be aware of the transition out of the law out of the health care medicines out of them and then. This doesnt mean that we can afford them and look for. A lot of comments about it means that we have to plan you know plans because the. Means. My surprise decision leaders the translation that we have to plan cannot take us by surprise we have to see this engine. Will. Continue their work force receptor proves this that eventually. We. End up with a right social distancing mr nonagenarian want you to take a listen to what your Prime Minister said about italy and the European Union in this crisis take a listen. To this but i would like to take the opportunity to tell the people of germany that we are not writing pages of a business handbook here. We are writing the pages of a history book. Were not seeing that we have to face and overcome and they pop culture out and in order to master an emergency thats having a destructive impact on our Health Systems our economies and our social systems europe has to show whether or not its a common european house a house capable of offering a response to this apocalypse challenge whether europe is up to its tasks as envisaged by Schumann Adenauer to gas buddy on there now and then that. I want to ask you this your Prime Minister there hes implying that Something Like euro bonds or corona bonds are needed moving forward are you getting any indications from the netherlands from germany that they would be willing to to change their rules and the taboos and say yes to some type of shared debt burden. My last thing that was a change in the discussion and its not a. Chair im sitting in st albans that it has spent years wishers and is given for the times we should let this discussion as a europeans i wish to discuss with different views of course because you may have on this matter more conservative or more progressive views about a kind of europe that you have vision but we shouldnt really had this discussion is europeans or carrying around our common policy we need to face this crisis to address a common problems with common tools. I mean to the least. You know your leaderships of the past i would that you just mentioned they were dead held in france from the time when those leadership decided to have a common occurrence it to have the euro they didnt listen just recall historically and. Optima monetary areas gave you within the. Euro. Piece our political structure we should do the same and at this point really ask ourselves as europeans where we need if hes got a union that complimented him on the union which we never did manage. That would be a big that would be a big change mr nala seanie you wrote arm yesterday in the online newspaper link yesterday you wrote that the fact that we have talian said often been masters of bad debt does not matter now or that we should own up to it how do you convince though the German Government the dutch government that your past behavior is not an indicator of italys future behavior when it comes to debt. Well interest them is the best while of the when you mention we should the knowledge that even though today as utopians we need that debt to go for social investment is that as is alan see in the past we have done a lot of bets thats as on the issue then all of that the 2nd thing is that they know that should be this i dont. European institutions im not asking for a knock out or just to pay for it and that i am asking all of the European Countries to the have your bargains i do european level to saul to get there. And to face together the kratos which will decide to get their work out of the graveyard is who should decide to get their water out of the areas and it tools that we use to face unemployment and the Community Products of our firms as are the europeans or itll be other. Words while i am certain that this discussion however continue mr not to say need to muzzle on a Senior Member of the Italian Senate with the center Left Democratic Party mr nonis jenny we appreciate you talking with us tonight thank you. And your thank you. Is your smartphone helping the government trace your every step the German Government is about to launch a Smartphone App that would alert people if they come in contact with someone who has tested positive for the corona virus no studies show that this Contact Tracing method is highly effective against epidemics it was used in south korea successfully but will it force people to decide between Public Health and data privacy so far the signs are all for public help. Using mobile phones to tackle the corona virus without a massive increase in state surveillance for weeks over 100 experts from 8 countries have been working to achieve this goal now theyve come up with an app that uses technology to anonymously monitor whether other uses on nearby for a certain period of time. If the user has tested positive for the corona virus other pieces who were in contact received a warning. Up as a free app works on a voluntary basis privacy will be strictly respected because we will on no account to use personal data or location data neither will data be saved over a long period but rather just the 21 days. Germanys business friendly free Democratic Party is among those to back the idea. The the plot from here this platform is the european city sion it conforms to Data Protection regulations and respects society of values and can contribute to Health Protection on the finished app isnt ready yet and the German Government says the newly announced project is just one of many options it is considering and you know we didnt have to spend as cunts i can tell you now that the head of the Chancellors Office thinks the app is promising and welcomes the fact that a cross border solution is being worked on that if its the ends of bush buttons function yet. The projects developer say an app may be ready after easter. Well my next guest tonight is olof grotius the c. E. O. Of cambridge in futures and a professor at the Business School at the university of california in berkeley hes also the author of solomons code humanity in a world of thinking machines and say look into the future of a society changed by Artificial Intelligence mr grote welcome back to the day when you and i 1st spoke here back in may 2018 you told me that the European Union passing its new Data Protection wall would go down in history as a Game Changing event is the coronavirus pandemic also a Game Changing event. Its nice to be with you brant and yes coronavirus will push the e. U. To come to terms with a key tension in many ways decisions on coronas seem to mirror those on additional economy in europe they seem to mostly get made locally but the cost is borne regionally as infection spread but this shows that we cant truly act as one so what we really need is one regional smart meaning you know digitally integrated health net across europe that helps track and mitigate these types of endemic brussels proposes regulation toward the idea and accommodates all market but then decisions on execution procedures for implementation get make make locally right and those local realities are very different as we all know right so the region is too fragmented it really needs to start to look to to act as one homogenizing local rules and procedures and creating one Common Infrastructure you have said that data big data is the new all and its also a matter of life and death when were trying to plot a course to contain this virus governments in the United States and europe they acted on the data late and now were talking about hundreds of thousands possibly die isnt this a clear case of ignore the data at your own peril. Well i think thats correct the e. U. Is very advanced in regulating and protecting and debating and perfecting for a long time before acting but the time for acting has come regulation isnt the problem creating privacy enabled data pools and then building in Scaling Solutions really is right in terms of quickly building and scaling those solutions meanwhile thousands will be dying because europe lacks an up to date well governed and well protected in of course privacy assured Digital Infrastructure so europe just cant seem to make decisions fast enough to really implement these things as quickly as change happens in the world we pass legislation and then very little else happens that we we have to stop talking and we have to start acting yeah i mean its its a good point but i just spoke with a member of the Italian Senate and hes pushing for euro bonds and getting the northern europeans to get on board with that is its proving to be impossible for him at least at this stage one of the biggest changes in this pandemic is that many people have been sent home to work the home Office Concept its really flourishing and after this pandemic many people may never go back to the office outside of their home how is our notion of work being impacted by this pandemic. Well you know on one hand working from home can create more reflection time if you have the luxury of space you know you you then have possibly a greater yield of ideas and potentially even need of a should maybe even higher productivity you know thats thats a positive however theres also downsides right for one work from home is it is really a highly privileged thing to do many people dont have a home of their own what you think about the hundreds of millions of people in developing countries around the world who dont or if they do they dont really have a lot of space in that space to share and then also if you work at home then there is no more room for relaxation for switching off and that too is not good for productivity and for creativity and innovation so my hope is that were going to see new innovations come out of this around communication around collaboration that will speak to that tension enabling us and also safeguarding you know us to be humans and to to relax and to refuel when we need to in order to be more productive and thats one of my great hopes for change coming out of this so you know probably youre probably not the type who does home office in his pajamas but that would be a different show here let me ask you about. About surveillance and the the state once this pandemic is behind as you know south korea used cellphone data to successfully contain the virus we know that china is using Artificial Intelligence and draconian surveillance and its being praised for breaking the speed of the spread now theres a push on europe and the United States to tap this data for Public Health i mean does the push like weve never seen before what do you see happening. Well look as you know i am very concerned but also hopeful right. So so im very concerned about potentially fostering pushing what we call the surveillance economy or surveillance capitalism where we can literally get observed and measured and sensed every minute of our days and clearly we cant let that happen on the other side or on the other hand i should say surveilling when very well defined very narrow ways when it comes to Public Health house very tangible very material tradeoffs and benefits i should say so we need to Design Solutions that give us those benefits and also respect our privacy so that for instance our Movement Patterns or the nature of our social relationships cannot be tracked and then handed to networks to the wrong people that requires deliberate safeguards and regulations and again thats where the e. U. Excels but it also requires that we give entrepreneurs and Business People some guidance on how to design these use cases and how to get the benefit but also respect the human being in that germany and incidentally singapore with these new apps are taking 1st steps and i commend them but again we need to see what actually remains after weve talked about it can we actually execute in scale this. You know throughout germany and really the European Union with the appropriate safeguards quickly to save to safeguards us the word right i mean youre assuming that the public is going to trust the government some Public Institutions and thats been thats a problem right now. Thats a problem and i think we do need you know some kind of certification by governance by governments that they are putting on top of these applications governance mechanisms meaning privacy safeguard audit right where experts you know under n. D