Bring with how we welcome to conflicts around welcome to you thank you good morning 89 months oh of mass demonstrations against the political elite you included and nothing is changing where are the reforms that have been promised so many times in lebanon well this is a long story actually when you want to talk about the reforms and lebanon when you want to talk about the reformers and you have to talk about the elements of the system we have been plagued by the most like of ailments and political diseases of my say and this is a long way to go actually it has to do with the confessional system it has to do with the economy that we follow or imposed it does not necessarily belong to the benefit of the people thats why were going to continue to have this vicious cycle as long as were going to you know to stick to the same system you are what you you it was some going to continue to do the same think youve got to expect our very young to result you know you better some responsibility for this is what i have because. Your party your movement you are king makers in the design of this socalled latest government of technocrats you also have seats in the cabinet so i ask where are the reforms why arent you pushing for them you blame the system i am asking a king about some point of having you in government if you dont bring it out ailments im talking talking about the ailments of this is done that has been going on going on for so many years i mean for decades now we have reach where we reached we should be held responsible for what happened every about these are responsible those who were in the government we are part of the government we dont deny our responsibility we have to embrace our full responsibility of this we were there to take part in that a small responsibility but the still when you talk about the kind of reforms that we want to do they should be structural we are one component of the mosaic of components of course the u. S. Is in the Lebanese Society we take our share of others has to take their responsibilities and they should be blamed for what they did here where theres a sense of urgency now mr mousawi is that theres a sense of greater urgency now because of last week last week a Financial Advisor working with the government in talks with the i. M. F. He resigned saying there was no sign of note of reform and he wouldnt go along with attempts to dismiss the size of losses in the Financial System as he said which means he wasnt prepared to lie about the state of affairs hes hungry shall now former advisor to the finance ministry and he said ive come to the realize ation there is no genuine will to implement either reforms or a structuring of the Banking Sector why is there no will to reform you talk to me about all the problem if he says theres no will to do it youre not going to address them in the future as you did in the past weve been pushing hard weve been pushing and doing a lot of pushing the government to do actual and Structural Reforms and whats happening. I tell you yes that is a kind of car use in diagnosing the problem that are differences in the numbers and the estimates of the loss of the loss thats taking place in the financial in the economy level but the still do tell you that we are a product of this government no were being part of other governments before and we need to take a lot of sponsibility in this and be doing this about the tell you the truth weve been engaged in fighting with a few groups along the border line and in the east of lebanon and weve been engaged also in fighting the israeli incursions and aggressions and. You know that a lot many israeli incursions for a very long time have been i havent seen any israeli incursions so no no. So if you had been if you had been in parliament living in the consequences we have been weve been weve been fighting the continuous israeli incursions and. They have been a scary thing there are the elections for ourselves at the end and on the ground even in c. They are trying to blackmail lebanon for its share of the oil that now we have reservoirs of oil in the sea so youre talking about a lot of threats that i think you could threats from the israeli side im going to wind up all of islam is the most out where im talking about something im talking about the fact that you were in Parliament Since 1992 has been law in government since 2005 you will be enormous influence in lebanon and youve watched the growing economic collapse and the corruption why why the corruption is getting worse transparency internationals report last year showed 68 percent thought corruption had increased in the previous 12 months perhaps more shockingly 65 percent said theyd use you know personal connections when dealing with the courts of justice so your courts are now rotten youve been in government a very long time and you havent managed to change anything you say you take your responsibility but theres a sense of urgency now and nothing is getting done no this is this is. Ok ok this is something that should be addressed we are part of the government of this is questions that should be addressed to the whole government youre talking about a country were talking about a state that 176 youre talking about more than dozens of Political Parties were part of this party as weve been busy doing other very important this lethargy of things against existential threats from the israelis and the fact that it is others were heavily engaged inside the bodies politics you know before the city and with a lot of from lebanon in 2005 the old governments were not part of the governments and this kind of system has been going going on for decades so you voice that having achieved all 5 of these government yes yes yes. Look what you want youre going to decontextualized what happened we will among the 1st to have the thought of fighting the corruption we can we said that good option is that the pretty good at the list we fight the genuinely we are going to reach where we reach now the collapse of the lebanese it going to make system yeah you talk about a lot about your generation you talk a lot about corruption but nothing gets done. You know in November Haasan was there all year long dont let the nazis out just a month he called on lebanese judges investigating corruption exact again with hezbollah he said if theres a case related to any person has been go ahead start with hours of dont be scared really is not a genuine offer is this tell you and this tells you that you are very straightforward this tells you that you have a straightforward on the transparent and very genuine and bracing vision we want it doesnt it doesnt tell anything of the saudis who prey on the saudi it doesnt it doesnt say that god doesnt say that about were talking about. Their were talking about the shoddy system were talking about the system that we want to reform you know the only thing that you can do is to bring good files to the judiciary in order to follow up the cases we have the problem in the dictionary we have a problem in the do the dishes the system of the problem of the political system a problem it couldnt go to make system we cannot simply hold someone but if you just want to build for what happened we take a lot of shit and we are trying to join forces with others in order to fight this good option you tell me the miss going to start lets dismiss the most out way you go out because we need to have the most out we have sometimes rather so i added additional benefits and i will point it out as i pointed out has another allisat start with us if as anybody and hezbollah start with us you think people have forgotten with us because people have thought often what happened in 2008 when the government tried to remove your corrupt airport officials and closed down its illegal Communication System what did you do you seized parts of beirut by force and you brought them to a virtual standstill the fact is youre just the same now as you were then show you might throw a few minor officials under the bus stop but the top officials involved in corruption know never going to deal with them are you a political enough throughout this is not the true actually im sorry to tell you that you have this information i dont know who told you this the officer was in the report it was not the. A person wed have never supported and you could have a person of the other 2011 say the fellas is stuck with us if we go up we did not go love we did not fight on with the nazis bed with as you said because of the supporting corrupted people we did the us because we where the funding a lot of distance because a very dangerous this is and has been taken in order to cut off the then a communication of the resistance and you know when you fight an enemy like the israeli enemy was supremacy and there arent any communication you have to have your own channel to fight this enemy all right mr masel wait upset supporting corruption and that sort of you use this lets lets talk about why you dont massive street protests that weve seen in lebanon in recent months one moment you seem to be listening to them then you claimed with no evidence that they were being exploited by the u. S. And israel and then last october you said you were thugs to beat up the demonstrators because they dared to criticize your leader absolutely not look im not im certain im sort of them i didnt i dont know you like that im not i dont know that you show that we send our people do you have the proof it was widely reported that at the time when we went against the in october and december widely you know the media show up you would in the media im in the media this is a massive photo measure there we dont make it out i can tell you i live mr mousawi nobody get up at all and i live here i tell you. I tell you do it we are not part of those who suppress the people and we are with the masses we are with those who are the ones that i think we want to protect them we have the same issue actually we consider mr mousavi in december your supporters attacked an antigovernment protest camp in central beirut and the army had to be called in to disperse the groups around the same time you and your allies from im out targeted other antigovernment protest camps in different parts of lebanon so much for listening to the demonstrators and heeding their the months you beat them up. I can simply say this is not the true actually this genuine there was tension by the people we were very happy to see that people came down to the streets in order to protest against all the corruption against whats happening we supported them and i can i was part of this kind of the blood i see this kind of negotiations this time and all of discussions with them our people and some of our people went and they with that they took part in these demonstrations and the end of this is almost the nation the ultimate goal that they wanted is a very good goal actually we have supported it from the very beginning now after a few days some groups jump on the most traitors and try to use it for other political reasons not for the economy Core Financial reform of the system not to fight the corruption here was the problem when they started to attack the Civil Society the civil Public Places the Government Forces in the field we have never attacked anyone of them and im sorry i hear this you saying this you have to say better than that i can tell you is there was some way you know very well that this was widely reported at the time from respectable News Agencies and respectable news organizations look the point is right now the right part of what has been reported is not right as as always as always right now your as always what as always a claims as always the thing about your misreported youre always claim youre misreported. You must be a very misunderstood. We know no there is an agenda you know what i know with from superpowers the from regional powers which does a great us as a journalist and that if you come to debate on people millions of people support our cause we are it is a Stance Movement fighting for our liberation from the Israeli Occupation fighting in order to. Keep our country the integrity of the country the consistency of the country the dignity of the country of the liberation of the bandits of the country but youre absolutely right so far as the rest of the world is a war a lot of the world d is concerned you are toxic you are widely labeled a terrorist group not just by the u. S. And u. K. But most of the arab world and the British Government prescribed youre in town or going to ization last year and accused you of supporting terrorism in iraq and the palestinians territories so in the west eyes as well as most of the arab world then all of you are seen as terrorist how are you going to get money from the International Community when you are part of the government seen as a terrorist group how do you expect lebanon to get money from the International Community that its about who needs this is the whole the story this is. This is the whole the story actually you start the from one place to subjugate they come 3 but you youll want to dictate your own policies you dont agenda against it if the people fight back for the silver and the dignity you stop with this book aids to stop with the siege you start with the sanctions out punishments if you say you know when you talk about the out of bullets on the out of systems of the of our governments when you talk about solidarity because this is a democrat the company a lot of them got the government that you were talking about most of the prayer list and governments and the out a book they lived with us as these and eightys as the western government liberal us this does not say much if he has not got to be saying that this is the light or this is wrong if you out of the majority does not mean that you are the lights we. Independence of d resistance against the occupation against theyre going to make subjugation and thats why we are in a bit of stuff from the United States and you know money out of countries governments put the puppets in. America and yet when the fantasies you need like the map of the needs west and money and with you constantly threatening the United States theyre not going to get it out of a lead balloon is not going to get you in government if youre one of the big easy opposite of the allies but the United States. We are being victimized by the United States the United States support israel the crushing the palestinians people rights that are rushing the Palestinian People hopes in order to have a Southern State this is the United States and this is there was no they are trying to annex the west bank you know that very well they are next good on how its you know that very well ok ill give you an example what about egypt and jordan they have signed negotiation the truth is they have signed peace treaties with israel according to the american and western when we come to the fact that you are an obstacle to getting the american and european Law Enforcement has spent years johnson with your group not at all subsections of Mary Catherine and all his drug cartels 2 and illegal Money Laundering operations stretching into africa and latin america you say you dont get involved in this kind of criminality chaffing. Look at those over those words you say that you say that evolutions from some of your own legal that they are you know in gauged in this kind of criminal activity. If you have something good if you have something on the record the few have real files come and show them we have always a challenge then a state and all those who you say that we are. We have a kind of collaboration with the criminal groups or Money Laundering or whatever d come and show us your evidences ok i have got you heres an example heres an example for you that has been used by the worst and heres an example for you lets take a man called chetan aksu he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing Material Support to as by law checked in to he pleaded guilty in august 2012 to providing Material Support for hezbollah conspiring to acquire anti aircraft missiles and conspiring to import heroin into the us you think he made that he pleaded guilty strange thing to do if he wasnt he pleaded guilty to doing that on your behalf you think do you think that if this do you think this is very the i can give you scores of examples from the United States like when they put someone in jail or put them under a 3rd that they can make files as much as they want the problem is that you are taking their eyes states as an example example of a model for transparency for authenticity for genuity there are layers about this actually really and thats your best dancer is a lets try joseph a smart man called joseph a smart accused of trying to use his links to hezbollah to launder drug money he pleaded guilty in the u. S. To a Money Laundering conspiracy charge prosecutors said he boasted that he could use his hezbollah connections to provide security for drug shipments my question to you is what is the party of god doing this is offering security for illegal drugs. This is not listen this is this is not if you want to have Something Like that out this is not going to be discussed of me that you have to take it to the judiciary and lebanon we have a judiciary system that we want to do for him he said ill get to see people have a 3 day not guilty what. Yeah money people do the guilty actually but if you want the United States can make a whole population of pleading guilty i mean the american policy is they make the Palestinian People plead guilty because they are fighting the and then as i said why dont you take such issues you have did because t