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That the russian intelligence agencies have been talking to Cyber Attacks against efforts to find a vaccine for research and development for carnivores zeevi here and thats the statement is saying faking contradictory that its practically impossible to understand can you present moores law were seeing pharmaceutical companies and others being targeted because they have the information and. Also coming up tonight the republicans campaigning against President Donald Trump theyve declared war on his reelection hopes he calls the president they say is at war with son. Were all in the same thing including dr fact you have a very Good Relationship with dr veggie and were all in the same team we want to get rid of this mess that china sent us so everybodys working to the same line it would doing very well. We do it well in a lot of ways our countries coming back very strong. But to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the quest for a Coronavirus Vaccine and the hackers sent by russia to spy on it all that is the accusation tonight aimed at moscow and its coming from london washington and all the while today the u. K. The United States and canada said russian spies have been targeting the organizations conducting research into a vaccine against the coronavirus the u. K. s National Cybersecurity center said a group of hackers sometimes known as cozy bear are almost certainly part of russias Intelligence Services the u. K. Said there was no indication that any of the research had been stolen or hindered today russia denied any responsibility here is u. K. Foreign secretary dominic wrong what cattle say tell you today is that with us canadian counterparts we have also made it clear to every. Released a statement indicating that we know that the russian intelligence agencies have been targeting them to Cyber Attacks against efforts across the those 3 countries and here in the u. K. Our attempt to find a vaccine through research and development to credit cards i think thats pretty cool we have to say at a time where the worlds come together trying to find a vaccine that i thought people and people around the world can benefit from the russian government in case of that and that i think you need schooling out of you to watch it. Well for more tonight im joined from london by quinten p. O. He is the former moscow correspondent for the Financial Times in his and associate fellow with Chatham House and from moscow alec loued correspondent in the russian capital for the Daily Telegraph to both of you gentlemen welcome to the day quit and let me start with you 2 points about todays announcement it doesnt beat around the bush it names russia and it was the u. K. That went public with the accusation not candid and not the u. S. What is your read on these 2 things well funnily enough i dont think i can get too over excited about it i suspect that every Intelligence Agency in the world is trying to track whos getting ahead in the desperate search for a vaccine and with a view possibly trying to get the benefits for themselves that seems to be perhaps behind the russian thing because russia renounced only last night that they were doing very well in getting a vaccine and they were going to go to the level of testing very shortly so i wonder if that was part of the reason for precipitating this announcement theres also domestic politics in this too but perhaps we should come to that in a moment im going to get to that in just a moment alan get me ask you russia denied responsibility today whats the reason for this story from where you are. Well look at the kremlin isnt whether putins spokesman just gave a blanket denial and said there was no way that the russians they could be involved in this kind of thing you know thats par for the course thats just to be expected i think what was more interesting was that the head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund the very same person who was announcing yesterday that russia would have a vaccine ready by the end of the year and hope to produce 30000000. Portions of that vaccine by the end of the year he was the one coming out and saying this today is calling this news that russia was trying to hack the coronavirus acting abroad as an attempt to tarnish the reputation of this russian vaccine which he said will likely be the 1st on the market and he also says you know the claim that. The Russian Company our farm which is a Pharmaceutical Company close to the state here is already going is already set to produce the astra zeneca the british companys vaccine in russia the oxford vaccines and therefore already has all the information that it could want about the current facts and thats an interesting statement that hasnt been publicly announced before that our far arm is going to produce that vaccine and russia but it is true that our partners partnered with astra zeneca and other stuff in the past like Cancer Research so russia is definitely calling this into question saying that really there was no need for them to steal the information because they already had access theres obviously global competition here thats very helpful you quit list talk about domestic politics for a moment this comes as the u. K. Government says that russia trying to meddle in the 2019 u. K. General election you know. Gives a rather strange twist to the timing because the u. K. Government made a huge. Really yesterday when they failed to get the man they wanted into the chair of the Parliamentary Intelligence Committee which is a very powerful and Key Committee and that committee has produced a report only russian interference in u. K. Politics and indeed in the brics it referendum in 2060 of that report has been delayed and delayed and delayed by the johnson government possibly because it contains embarrassing stuff about russian links to the conservative party so guess what they do today quickly before the committee gets that report out next week they russia statement saying hang on the russians did interfere in the 29000 election and at that time it was the labor party that exploited it and i think there is a lot of muddying the waters going on yeah i mean it sounds like theres some deflecting going on here alec if you heard anything about what the quickness saying is that been reported at all in russia is there a connection between these stories. I dont i havent seen that reported in russia i think thats a little bit you know thats pretty inside politics for the Russian Press of the moment im sure something in russian they think yours may seize upon in the future to claim that this story is made up that this story is doesnt doesnt hold water. You know that all said and i you know it sounds like theres some politics going on the path its clear that theres the politics of around this and russia since russia is trying to be is trying to kind of show off some of this geopolitical might with this vaccine that its rushing through testing on military soldiers testing on you know the vaccines creators have been tested upon themselves so russia taking a much more unorthodox kind of hasty approach with their vaccine and really trying to get out of the market 1st so of course theyre taking this as an attack on that vaccine or this news report about the hacking but you know all that said i think that you know its worthwhile remembering that cozy there was the same hacking out that that was implicated in the d. N. C. Hack in the 2016 election the in the United States theyve also been accused of trying to gain access to the no we know we gen Defense Ministry and political Political Parties there so this is certainly something that cozy bear could look very well be up to and try to do and feel the crowbars that scene but of course the Politics Around the me give the clinton reform room im quitting we heard from the u. K. Government today that they plan to hold russia to account do we know what that will look like. Well would it need tightening up sanctions a bit more the truth is that british governments for a long time have been fairly hypocritical in their attitude to russia i think is going to come out in that report next week that actually they have really cozy relations not just with the conservative party also with allowing russian money to be laundered through london now will they finally get tough on a lot of that russian money that is actually sitting very nicely in london and nobodys actually taken action against what is really illicit money coming through the british capital. When people in london alec live in moscow to both of you gentlemen thank you very much we appreciate the analysis tonight well this is yet another cybercrime accusation traded by the west in russia it really taylor joins us now from oxford emily is associate fellow at Chatham House and International Security program she specializes in cyber crime it really is going to have you on the day lets be detective for a moment the u. K. Did not say that the hackers stole information or that they hindered Vaccine Research is it plausible that were talking about the russians just spying in the true sense just watching and listening. Well youre right i havent seen any information to suggest that data was exfiltrate it was stolen. The the emphasis in todays announcement has been quite a confident. Actually petion of these type attacks to this group cozy there or a p t 29 as theyre called in a language we dont normally associate with the Intelligence Services so. Hard to know at this stage whether it was just simply sitting on the networks looking at what was going on and gathering data or a mass hearkened leak operation as was done in the 2016 run up to the us election to the Democratic National committee you know you bring up a good point the u. K. Named russian intelligence and cozy beer today in this report how difficult is it to to be able to name and shame when youre on the cyber crime trail like this. Well actually she is difficult but its not impossible especially when you have the resources of the u. S. Canadian and british Intelligence Services if theyre actually beating with this level of confidence and also making the connection between this outfit cosi that and the the russian Intelligence Services thats quite unusual normally the language is much more you know we say with a high degree of confidence type of thing but here theyre coming right out of it and i see this as part of a strategy you know you can get the attribution yourself and then its another strategic decision about whether you announce it publicly and in doing so and standing side by side with other allies this is an approach that weve seen over the last 2 years trying to perhaps raise the reputational costs to states like russia of doing this kind of activity and if you do have the resources the power of the u. K. The u. S. And canada here are able to track these hackers trace them should we also expect more in terms of shielding and pushing back a tip did attacks or attempted you know. Espionage in cyberspace. Well this is the other part of todays that outlives that very important is that the detailed report actually contains a lot of code where the National Cybersecurity center are actually saying to organizations who might have been affected by these Cyber Attacks this is what you need to run this is what you need to look for so there are 2 parts theres the sort of actually patient but also trying to make these organizations safe theres also a checklist of you know how to protect yourselves because yes we should all protect ourselves against these attacks but unfortunately its not down to one party the state cant do it or not and so its up to every single user of these technologies that were relying on so much and to killie during the lock down to do that little bit the the saddening thing for this is that a lot of the exploits are quite old and that if people have patched their equipment and taken some fairly straightforward steps they could be safer. Final question for you emily its frustrating sometimes to hear that the Governments National elections were targeted but we we really here in follow up you know did the cyber meddling change the course of an election why is that. I think because you know elections are a democratic process in which multiple factors affect the way people of the mean even the way you have a marginal result like the u. S. President ial elections in 2016 theres never really any question of really running the event tell till its the 2019 elections in the u. K. Where something of a landslide and say had a very clear democratic outcome theres lots and lots of arguments around but i think in the end this is a much more in a democracy when it comes to large scale and action and that you cant really pinpoint a win or loss to one single factor it really tailor with trying to help us International Security program in your time in your insights tonight thank you thank you. Were all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like President Trump who is a builder and thats what my grandfather did he came to this country to build to grow to prosper and so we have an incredible builder and we pray we pray for our leadership our president and we pray for our country that we will continue to prosper and to grow. That was the c. E. O. Of go you is an hispanic food company and no one in the u. S. For its canned beans beings and the words of praise for the u. S. President by the go your boss it did not sit well with everyone there were calls for a boycott of go your products and reminders that during his campaign 4 years ago donald trump targeted mexicans calling them rapists well this week the president posted this photo you see behind me there with the message the radical left smear machine has backfired the president by law by the way is not supposed to endorse a product least not from the oval office thats one issue the bigger issue here we have a photo of the u. S. President with beans while americans are dying from a virus and when trumps daughter posted this photo that only added to claims that the president is only interested in his reelection and not interested at all in the biggest Public Health crisis in america in a century were joining me tonight from washington is tim miller a veteran of american political campaigns he worked on the John Mccain Campaign in 2008 and on the Jeb Bush Campaign in 2016 tim is now the political director of Republican Voters against drop which aims to prevent a 2nd term tim is a lifelong republican these says donald trump is not a republican at all its good to have you on the day youve worked on president ial campaigns before this week donald trump demoted his Campaign Manager and put in a new one there are just over 3 months to go to lection day and hes changing his Campaign Staff what does that tell you. Well we had 3 Campaign Managers last time tells me that hes an erratic leader tells me hes not happy about his stance in the polls which have gone down precipitously the last 3 months as the virus has gotten out of control and hes demonstrated as you said no lead in a total lack of interest and actually trying to solve the problem cares more about his deeds with t. V. Hosts and you know the beings crisis that hes focused on and so i think hes trying to change horses but the reality is the problem of this campaign is donald trump is not the Campaign Manager so he could put anybody in there and back and get better and so he actually tries to right the ship of whats whats going wrong in this country. Jim you are a Republican Trump says hes a republican tell me whats the difference. Well i guess hes a republican right now hes the president and republicans elected them what i think about when i think about republicans over the underlying values that were what the party was based on it was based on believing in 3 people free markets individual liberty individual responsibility my view is that donald trump has coopted that for something completely different something opposite from allies around the world are to our democratic friends in germany to the autocrats in turkey and north korea saudi Arabia Donald trump doesnt care about Constitutional Values he cares about helping donald trump and the people who voted for him he doesnt welcome immigrants. He rejects that and so right now donald trump is roe is the head of the Republican Party so thats what republicanism means but im hoping we can take it back from him in the future weve got your project weve talked to people from the Lincoln Project as well so weve got republicans who are trying to unseat a republican president what do you say when people ask where were you 4 years ago when the world watched in disbelief as the Republican Party presented donald trump as its president ial candidate. Well i was working for jeb and then after that i worked for a super pac that was going to try to help marco rubio or ted cruz beat trump obviously we were unsuccessful i you know personally did not vote for downturns last time but i think the difference this time is that were actually running a campaign to stop and i think the last time a lot of people involved with the Lincoln Project Republican Voters against trump we were on a personal level opposed to trump but. There was not this formal effort to defeat and so i think thats different this time part of that is because nobody expected to win last time it was because of Hillary Clinton was a weak opponent and part of that is because it is now we people have seen the damage and theyre funding our efforts to go out there and stop. Are you trying to save the United States from dont trump or the Republican Party from donald trump. The United States i dont know what will happen with the Republican Party just because we win doesnt mean that the Republican Party necessarily will go back to something that i like were trying to save the country from a president whos uniquely unfed whos doing grave grave damage to our standing in the world is doing grave damage to the people who are dying and losing their jobs because of this virus that hes mismanaged unconscionably and so were trying to atone for our past creating this monster and hopefully we can defeat him and in the chips will fall where they may after that you know a lot of people would consider the g. O. P. The Republican Party to be just as guilty of malfeasance as donald trump if they if youre thinking that way ive heard many times people say youve been sleeping with him for 4 years now you want to kick him out of bed what do you say to that. I think thats fair. Look like i said i feel like this was a monster of our creating i didnt support him last time so maybe not as a direct directive a creation of some other people who are more complicit but but look he came out of a political culture that was at best. You know enabling you know these kind of hateful. Ideas and so i think we are we are responsible and thats why its our obligation to stop and i know we feel that way and i think my friends are going to project it as well so lets go the into january 2021 joe biden is the new us president what will you want from a democrat in the white house nothing to win to be in the white house and to get make sure that donald trump leaves peacefully and not were not doing this to have some influence in a Democratic Administration im doing this because we need to take responsibility for what happened to our party and we have an obligation to get rid of this president and democrats hopefully can can lead responsibly and ill leave that to democrats so you mean if if you help to get him elected theres not going to be any attempt to say mr biden dont forget what we did for you. Well i mean i dont know i guess it depends who you mean by any attempt i do think hopefully the Vice President biden recognizes that his coalition is center left and that a lot of former republicans voted for him and thats the reason why he beat Bernie Sanders in the primary i think he does recognize that and sure i think maybe at times if he starts to go too far to the left of the administration we might remind him that this was a center left candidate 1st center left country but no i dont i guess they only sticks myself when trying to get into the administration or lobbyists or anything like that im trying to defeat donald trump the means to before we run out of time job i want to do the damage that he says has been done by trump in Foreign Policy that means focusing again 1st and foremost on transatlantic ties biden will sound a lot like a reagan republican if hes elected do you expect europeans to believe job i i hope so i mean i think that joe biden is in the bipartisan spirit of what this countrys Foreign Policy was basically from you know george h. W. Bush held with through bill clinton and so i think that the alliance should be strong joe biden they should they should believe joe biden when he says that. To me its been good talking with you fascinating come back again as we get closer to the election and well see. Well see what happens on Election Night tim miller was like talking like you know much thank you. Well the day is almost done the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter either at the news you can follow me of t. V. And remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see you then of course. Entered the conflict zone with syria charlie my guest this week is involved with minister of Foreign Affairs and International Trade cboe cecil more. As a former army chief you was also the face of the military coup that 1st tells em on babatz of power. Zimbabwe ever be able to see change the political and economic. Conflicts of. Interest to the future. 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