Hi everyone im falsify john paris and im melinda crane in berlin a drastic rise in hunger over a 1000000000 informal workers facing unemployment and up to 100000000 people pushed into extreme poverty those are the latest grim projections of coronas worldwide impact were told not a killer virus that spread across the globe in days livelihoods the world over that have been shut down but is there an opportunity here can those livelihoods be restored in a more equitable in a more sustainable manner just as an e. U. Summit bargains over the Recovery Plan the United Nations is staging a conference thats talking about Building Back better our title a green and better recovery for a hollow fos 24 and d w t v join up for the debate welcome and it is a pleasure to introduce our guests starting with the finance minister of ghana ken for a atta also shipmen is the lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change at the United Nations lecture at the french Political Science is judes youll spoil your books include the anthropocene and the Global Environmental crisis thanks for joining us and its a pleasure to welcome sinitta not hind she is an environmental activist and director of the center for science and environment in delhi india before we take a closer look at the pandemics total in the global south wed like to ask the 3 of you to tell us and really in a one sentence if you would is green recover even still an option in the wake of corona sinitta if you would go 1st place. Its possible but its a challenge thats recognized and the challenge the fact is there well people have been affected desperately looked but theres also a possibility because we we can invest in this city and future as well or the world in the one thats the opportunity that should excite just that shift and for the cleaner cleaner. And mr a for a better your answer still possible i think if we can. Sort of plan ahead in theory and. Economics of mutuality where if your power and resources is not what drives. We have easily about a 100 trillion dollars of assets under management and the question is really an occasion and replumb and i suppose a lot of. It is possible it we have already put their own ship in the rhubarb and i share architecture thank you and foss was a man you wrote not too long ago that in the long run the cove it crisis will be a disaster for the climate so do you think Green Recovery is even still an option as i think it is still possible but we need to admit that this is not the direction that were taking at the moment i think this is an approaching 80 that we would be stupid answer each wist not the direction were taking at the moment is. When you take a look at the developing world the particular countries like india where the pandemic is still raging where there was 1st that brutal lockdown that came all of a sudden and left millions of people are caught off guard now as the economy reopens you see that desperate rush to get things back to where they were before its a report by france 24 correspondent jackie gallagher. Every morning these men assemble on a street in new delhi looking for somebody to hire them for the day to do jobs like painting repairing or copying treat. It gotta make up for them if theyre lucky they could earn up to each city but lately has been on the site. Of. A government shutdown. But im coming back. To the lockdown as he to the Construction Industry and its men like me who was swapping the price for it. Like millions before him phil stewart is considering returning to his village where he can live off the land the big sodas of such might include this has plunged indias industrial sectors into crisis like this Garment Manufacturing unit on the outskirts of town. At the peak of policies im used to have it on 550 people believe youre lucky with 144 people altogether with manufacturers struggling to find workers many states have introduced noise but temporarily dissolved neighbor rights to ensure the industry still cannot. As the one that it is used to love 40. 00 a share we have lost them a few they have to look at least 10 of us remember but those who stay on. Not on the battle for labor rights. Before that although it will be a more government can be very. Difficult. With no fixed income no savings and a disrupted marketplace indias millions of migrant and daily wage workers face an uncertain future as is the countrys economy which in the absence of the migrant labor force is expected to grow at its slowest pace in 11 years so this isnt a right we see in the report of how both the formal and the Informal Sector are being directly impacted again it comes back to melindas initial question of. What kind of recovery when you see that report. See and so whats important for us to recognize is 2 things yeah. What 19 hit the poorest but was twice won because they almost fundable to be infection and doom because of the loss of life. But there is such a something very interesting and important that is happening today knock wood the fact is till now we have had massive migration from of villages into us cities because well its because of activity and distress the growing list of the planet change you have climbing people leaving their homes in desperation and thats why you have a massive exodus out to believe just. What what he has done for the 1st time is actually sent people that its an inverse migration im not seeing today therefore the possibility and this is where he kept saying there is a possibility 2 things at once if the invest in louis commies build the resilience of people invest in Natural Resource management and who are living areas you can actually use 2 conditions so that people can leave. At home they can live in their villages but betty thats one issue the fact is still now we have had this atrocious globalization system in which the world has built in the grammy by discounting both the bar and the environment which is why you have these are. Conditions in other cities because Everybody Needs to compete with china everyone else in the world you want to keep the possibility today with the exodus of playbook for the 1st time in india there is a discussion about how gabler pipes need to be because Industry Needs that dave you have to give i believe just to the label they even have to give allison to believe now that we need a new lease for the production so is there an opportunity for the one talk about a different model to opt moving that we have something some should never brought sheep. Absolutely hate not doing well being let i dont know but this is the net the question is what in the fleet being out in india at the height of lockdown back in april can afford out to you wrote a blog a diary if you will for the Financial Times which you describe driving through a day in your life driving through the city of across europe where the schoolchildren the women frying donuts the newspaper sellers the beggars where are you selling everything from dog chains to gum has gone up also experienced this reverse migration that soon need to neuron was talking about. You know i think our president. Sort of saw the situation very clearly and right from the beginning and you know he asked that the ministry to launch a 100000000000. 00 Preparedness Program so it went to lockdown. Private we were ready for that and working of the faith based organizations were able to then supply food were able to give free electricity and free water just to make sure that peoples livelihoods were protected and also protection for the work at those i think we took that quite well and that therefore sort of money situation we didnt have that sort of huge reverse migration there is at the track and we were able to keep body and soul together. So and then the issue of the testing and get into the environment to make sure the people felt safe and one of the time it came at a stream caused by that mantra was you know we know we are competent to plan the economy back to life but we are not able to bring people back to life and so lets do all that we can so i think if you look at africa we have done the most test and the incidence rate reasonably low. But its a stretch to treasury and therefore remark in and out to work of our finances its sort of required for the world where i can stay. That truly we need to move the continent from the economics of our commodity resource into a certain kind of mutuality thats really really we have enough resources to go around and whether we can find the type of leadership at the time to do our image around the between whom the middle mutuality between currently those who have the resource for example that there is in the countries ive been able to print money and spend our 11 trillion dollars to be able to economic and that to get is not available to most people in africa. Theres a 100. 00 trillion dollars of assets under management forming at some levels what is the new tectonic shift that is required so that the 3 distribution. In point global prosperity will come to be in and then. For the future so those are the questions now we have in our president who has written to a few of the leading president s and i want to see us on these issues. That we want to come back in just a moment to those questions of mutuality and northsouth cooperation but let me just drill a little bit deeper now on the migration issue that sinitta raised she sees a process of reverse migration going on and were certainly seeing that in other places as well recent media reports in the u. S. Show that workers. From latin america and from other countries are saying you know maybe its time to go home we cant make a likelihood in the United States plus regimen youve done a lot of work on migration would you say in fact that that process is a process that in the medium and long term can lead to real changes in the conditions for workers or is it a temporary phenomenon i think it is a possibility of you sleep thats still too early to tan but what is for sure is that weve observed migration flows that were very different from what we used to have served as an intern or a mansion there was a massive reverse migration from the cities to the countryside that was observed in india and in many developing countries but also in europe if i take it is our of paris for example more than 1000000000 people left the region of paris during the lot down because they wanted to go to the countryside so that we saw a kind of rural exist in. And thats interesting to see if that will if this is a trend that will continue in the long run then i think its important that many citizens from industry and i thought on trees where also stuck at home and and so important restrictions to their mobility and in a way they failed to drift frictions that they had imposed to migrants from developing countries for years and all of a sudden they were down on the west on other countries including in the us in the case of europeans and i think that is something that can also in the long run affect the relationship and the migration flows and then the results of that madras were really on the frontline during this crisis that they were usually more exposed to virus that typically the motility rate was much higher and most migrant population compared to native populations and really was so unimportant or a of inequalities in access to have. Access to Health Facilities thats really at the migrants and indeed this is also likely that this might affect the migration flows in the migration policy even to future because we so over important and always special the matter and locals with the economy final point and we have the figures at the end of this year the income available for many migrants was also significantly cut which means that the amount of remittances that would they will be able to send back home to their families that prevent been more than 500000000000 dollars last year is likely to be reduced significantly this year which will affect the result is available to many families in the global south and we know that a lot of countries a lot of families depend on these remittances for their livelihood all of the circumstances that we are discussing discussing have many young people the world over are worried about their future lets hear now from a few of you stella gets to the United NationsHigh Level Political Forum that is needed. This week to talk about accelerating action on Sustainable Development in the context of recovering greener and better are the e. U. And germany assessing that because every measures through a Climate Justice lens and so what concrete actions will your government take to help those affected the most by the climate crisis. How can we ensure that and Green Recovery in the pushkar big 19 era addresses Poverty Alleviation and also offers an opportunity for employment for many unemployed youth especially in the global south. As it affects young people with the rise in unemployment across the world war will be the rule of innovation what should be governments plan in ensuring that in the vision becomes. To change demanded civil of how normal would be normal minister for you let me pick up on the last 3 questions that we heard there 1st of all what would you say to those young people who are worried about their generations Educational Opportunities and employment prospects in light of the crisis. I think the great question and thats what really keeps all bother with knives because im in ghana i think. The your population. Will turn 18 and that. I represent 35 to 40 percent of our population and therefore all we do is how do you create an environment including the appropriate skills given and there will be social mobility that is key to any sustaining democracy. So we have since we came into government initiated a Free Education policy for the high school and we did put about 1200000. Kids who otherwise would not have a high school. And that therefore widened sort of the skill set and therefore program in our or selected solicitation for the little covert issue movie i just put in together 100000000000 cd with a web quarter g. D. P. And programming for stuff like this in a revitalization so that we can conquer even added time whole issue of recovery in a much faster way and so we are quite optimistic that we are addressing the issue head on and now these 2 had their ingenuity and innovation on our part to find the resources to do that but i think in the past 3 years later the groundwork educated what for which you cant and politically you need to be an economy that is a small order i think thats the reason for being in government and secure but a chance for their god given skills. Minister just a really quick follow up if you would you recently presented the African Development bank. Economic outlook for west africa which has some pretty harsh numbers in terms of the contraction of the economy you said nonetheless you see this as an opportunity to how to harness africas youth bulge as we call it the fact that they havent africa has an enormous population of young people but the fact is up until now africa hasnt been very good at harnessing that you spoke at a high rate of unemployment in many countries for young people is that really going to change in the wake of the crisis. Im doing you know but its an alley of the you know we heard. In which. Like knife and. Inflation 15 and you know all the members with were in the wrong direction d and weve been able to they will id rather be and still find. The good i have never been before and so for me that will show its leadership and for African Leadership to be strong and thats not the us to the way in which we finance the world and thats why i keep saying we need to really confront the issue of the International Financial act because its really not fit what you can have under a trillion dollars. Not a lot of stuff. And then have to find them got of about a 100000000000. 00 a year for infrastructure for africa and then when they wouldnt you know i think it will come back i see no able to. Raised National Market at a pub when 75 percent and african countries raise money the question then is how do you create. A triple a wrapper around to ensure that we can or will the cup that market rate the we get in the movie in the final for the world and so yes i think were going to change i think mostly the beginning to realize the numbers our of our youth what the future by 20 and 50 were going to be a quarter of the worlds population with most of the youth we need to address and this is no well you know enlightened self interest who went over for that type of job and so im optimistic that the new type of leadership you know on the continent we can just real. Citizen i whats interesting listening to both of those young people into a. Minister for iata is this is a moment for people need more governments if thats the case where you are. Are you asking me yes yes absolutely its a carrot when you need more government but its not just about government to develop. A new compact big to be the urban in the week between the rich and the poor then i think the minister talked about that and thats really what i mean i can already see my own government just big need to talk the language big need to invest essentially what youre thinking to day is that you have a massive you have a massive opportunity where you have very large numbers of young people who need employment back instead of looking only at noon i mean than that but its almost stepped up in the urban industrially if you think about employment to different regions of able to where people need to build in a sense of who the economic the the libyan of the community because these i mean we must always remember that what weve 19 is the crisis of the disruption be facing today but we have an equally leap deception which is already knocking on our door which is Climate Change and we have seen the impact back on the line so far from a lot of the poor in our country so we have to remember and this is why at somewher