Day the trumpet ministration defense the deployment of federal officers against protesters despite objections from local leaders these Police Officers are not stormtroopers they are not the gestapo as some have described them that description is offensive its hyperbolic in its dishonest. And the latest escalation of tensions between the worlds 2 largest economies the United States has ordered china to close its culture letting Houston Texas the u. S. State Department Said this was necessary to protect American Intellectual property beijing described the move as a political provocation and the serious violation of International Law hours after the order was issued firefighters were called to the culture the building. Bins on fire inside the courtyard at the chinese consulate in houston witnesses said they could smell paper being burned the 1st whiff of a bigger story because firefighters arrived Chinese State media started reporting the u. S. Had ordered the consulate to be closed. Its a political provocation unilaterally launched by the u. S. Side which seriously violates International Law basic norms governing International Relations and the bilateral consular agreements between china and the u. S. China strongly condemn such an outrageous move. The choice or you. In a statement the u. S. State Department Said it would not tolerate violations of our sovereignty and intimidation of our people the u. S. Directive comes a day after 2 chinese nationals were charged with hacking said to be working as spies theyre accused among other things of trying to steal Coronavirus Vaccine research. Campaign targeted intellectual property and confidential Business Information held by the private sector including covert 19 related treatment testing and vaccines. Back in houston this was his closest firefighters could get to the consulate they werent allowed in chinese officials have 72 hours to get out with china threatening to close u. S. Consulates in response. To the fire may have been pushed out but the u. S. China relationship is smoldering as much as ever. Lets get more on this from james im joe lewis hes a Senior Vice President at the u. S. Think tank the center for strategic and International Studies hes also a director of their Technology PolicyProgram Joins us from washington welcome to day w. It was kind of increasing tensions between the u. S. And china that includes trade wars namecalling and demands for bans on Tech Companies where disclosing a consulate rate. Its not unusual measures are in response to massive espionage has been done and past but it really is the top of the charts so major move forward by the u. S. Do you do you believe there has been massive espionage. Oh without a doubt it started decades ago in fact it started as soon as china connected to the internet so theres strong strong evidence. Tying that engages in espionage in a violation of u. S. National sovereignty and its for commercial and technological purposes the evidence is overwhelming not whether this was the right move is subject to debate but again weve seen that reagan did it in the cold war obama did it with the russians and the election interference so. At the top of the scale a major major move but not unprecedented so if this is been going on for decades why do this now. I think part of it is so of course those people suspect had something to do with the election which is that its always good to look tough. Against china now because no one likes china and the United States anymore its sad but its true i think its partially because of the. Efforts so we the british others found the chinese trying to break in to our Research Labs to. Deal Vaccine Information i think that helped a lot this is been a longstanding campaign for the trumpet ministration but obviously it started in 2015 when obama attempted to negotiate an agreement with the chinese for them to stop commercial espionage he got an agreement but as soon as he left office the chinese stopped observing it and wife who stood. I dont know i think it probably was not a center of espionage it would be unusual to say that it may have been considered expendable you know its not chicago its not new york its not washington so it sends the message i think that was the primary intent here to send a message to the chinese that the u. S. Will not tolerate this behavior and do we presume that this is a uniquely chinese problem all we the the west the visitors the americans whoever we at this as well that we indulging in. Intellectual property theft know so ive talked with the hand of germanys b. And b. And d. Ive talked with french british nordic intelligence officials none of them engage in this kind of commercial a squeamishness kind of technological theft its uniquely chinese theyve built their economy on it and thats part of why its such a big problem is that china needs to steal western technology in order to grow and so most western countries whether its japan or a stroke or germany or france in the u. K. They all share this problem with us and i just wonder about the the presumption that they would be very good spies if you asked them are you stating stuff and they just said yes. Because that would be true but. What can i say perhaps i have a Good Relationship with them all and some of it too is that you know what Chinese Technology would do steal weve gone through this exercise of asking ourselves if we stole technology who would be good but to us the law requires us and we still follow u. S. Law in this area it requires us to give it to all the companies that are involved in major problems for us in that we simply arent structured nor is germany nor is any western country to engage in rampant economic espionage sure people might do a little on trade or they might do a little on finance and i. M. F. But nobody steals this kind of industrial secret the way the chinese do and in part its not a 2 way street because there isnt that much Chinese Technology were stealing that sounds arrogant and i apologize but thats the truth thank you for joining us there james under news from the center for strategic and International Studies. Thank you. Well lets stay in the United States in the city of portland which has seen further clashes between protesters and federal offices sent by President Trump to and on t. V. He says in protest that but the feds methods and behavior including conceding their identities of spot criticism and complaints. Clashes between demonstrators and federal Law Enforcement officers in major American Cities are ongoing one side claims to fight against what it describes as Police Brutality the other to restore law and order the situation has become increasingly politicized people say protesters these people are advocates these are people that hate our country. This is how the u. S. President explains sending in federal agents. We have federal officers on our streets further escalating tensions and causing harm to portlanders right now. The deployment of these federal officers who answer directly to the white house and operate in total anonymity without name takes or other visual identification is highly controversial a larger police. To conceal their identity is just a step towards that group where america has always been of never having had a federal. Insurer or its force historically it is usually the republicans who want to limit the influence of the federal government but when it comes to protesters everything seems to be turned around these days the words and actions from President Trump and the department of Homeland Security and shown it this is an attack on our democracy. The escalation of tensions into kabul. Missing from been known as he sending federal agents there also this is worse than afghanistan by far this is worse than anything anyones ever seen all run by the same liberal democrats and you know what a biden got in that would be true for the country the whole country would go to hell with protests not expected to end anytime soon and President Trump appearing to capitalize politically to do this in the United States puts deepen even further. Washington post reporter nick mirror office been covering the base story and joins me on the line from the u. S. That kept you out welcoming from the outside a President Trump appears to have a point youve got several u. S. Cities experiencing what appears to be violent disorder the local authorities seem unable to control. Thats true we have seen an increase in gun violence in chicago new york several other cities as well as the. Standoff in portland at times violent between protesters and federal agents protecting the federal courthouse but at the same time i think the president who is failing in the polls and facing a pandemic in an economic crisis is looking for a new Campaign Theme and he is seizing on this as something he thinks he can run on do you think thats what this is hes looking for and im a debate. I think that he is looking to change the headlines and and find some territory on which he thinks he can he can separate himself from biden and gain. An issue where he thinks hell end up looking better. And thats why you heard him in the white house on monday basically saying that the country will quote you know go to hell biden is elected that hes the strong man who will restore law and order and that if the democrats win well see portland and every American City the president has also announced what he called a federal forces into chicago and other cities so this is nowhere near over. Thats right and one of the one of the interesting things to observe here has been that. You know Homeland Security officials who are responding in portland have been going going out of their way to decide that portland is a kind of unique situation in which they are protecting a federal courthouse that is the target of protesters whereas this expanded operation in chicago and other cities is very much about trying to tamp down the rise in gun violence and so even though they are trying to keep these things separate the president sees it as part of the same broader chaos and you know the push to defund the police that came out of the Racial Justice mobilization after joy george fords killing so to base federal offices where theyre being deployed from. Well in portland you have a federal courthouse that is typically protected by a very you know they basically just security guards and they were quickly you know kind of outnumbered by protesters and so Homeland Security officials have sent in. Agents from tactical teams from the Border Patrol from. The you know gratian enforcement arm ice as well as u. S. Marshals from the department of justice who typically protect the Justice System so you have a good you know different federal agents there who are now engaging on a nightly basis with with these protesters. Who are who are surrounding the courthouse and you know lobbing objects at it and fireworks and that kind of thing with been looking at file pictures as youve been speaking and they they do look quite scary and tell us about the wall of moments. Well you know one of the one of the things that is sort of the you know one thing to you we see almost every protest when when. For these kind of escalate with a show of force theres often a counter response and with the increased federal deployment we saw more you know larger numbers of Peaceful Protesters coming out. Kind of to to protect others including this group of moms you know where yellow and lock arms and. You know are there kind of on the front lines particularly earlier in the evening before the more rowdy stuff starts up and briefly these protests started out as the racism demonstrations are they still about that. Well thats a great question i think what weve seen is that you know that federal courthouse in portland which is which is you know always been kind of. A symbolic you know target for protesters and early on in the in the protest after George Floyds killing you know was kind of an amorphous symbol of injustice has now become kind of a proxy for the president himself and trumps you know view of american democracy and you know its really spun up into something much bigger and it really given the protests a very a very you know clear firm symbol of his administration right there in their city ok good talking to you thank you for joining us now from the washington post. A lot of european governments are facing the same problem what to do with their citizens including women and children who left to join the socalled Islamic State in syria and iraq many are now living in kurdish controlled refugee camps their status in limbo European Countries are reluctant to bring them home prefer them to face trial in the region for human Rights Groups say government should be patching their citizens and deal with them domestically especially the most vulnerable the Biggest Group of french citizens including 400 women and children d. W. Correspondent lisa has been to meet antoine whos fighting to bring hes the daughter and grandson back to france yes not to use his real name. Standing his ground the former trade unionist has defended workers rights a life but when 5 years ago his 26 year old daughter suddenly left to join isis in iraq he had dropped bottom. It was my house came tumbling down on top of me. She had always been a good student and we didnt see this thing coming at all her family is ignore steak but she converted to islam without telling us i told to do you know what youre getting yourself into and who these people are that youre joining. Us. Last year his daughter was captured by the kurds and brought to the whole camp he kept in touch with her until she and her baby born in syria then his 5 weeks ago on one is today showing his face on camera for the 1st time he says he has nothing left to lose. I dont know exactly what she did but im not her judge she should be held accountable for her actions and she has a right to a fair trial like everyone else thats the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship were creating a 2nd going trying to move there and what about my grandson hes 18 months old hes responsible for nothing more. The french government has only repatch rated about 30 children from the council and refuses to bring back women and men. And we are proceeding according to International Law people should be judged in a country where they are alleged to have committed crimes we take back Young Children if and when the mother agrees that we should take charge of them. But this lawyer representing the families of 40 women in the camps says that approach actually goes against International Law. The kurdistan doesnt exist so there are no judges anti as people are being arbitrarily detained plus their crimes started in front of it i think they are accused of joining a terrorist organization Good Movement should be judged here and these children are in mortal danger 300 of them died i shall hold and 29000 jews to the Living Conditions france has an obligation to protect them but since leaving them there to rahmans. France is not the only country reluctant to retouch aged citizens who left to join the socalled Islamic State about 1000 western europeans are still being held in syria and iraq only a few of them have been brought back. Sofa together with other families on twan has gone to court to force the government to bring back his daughter and grandson he believes repatriation is actually in the governments own interests continuing song during a recent attack on one camp and the kurds just open the gates and some women escape to join i ask so leaving these people in the cabs is a lot more dangerous than bringing them back we always wonder if they managed to get away there is a real risk they might commit more attacks here in france or you know hes determined not to lose hope so that one day he can finally meet his grandson. So how dangerous is it to repatriate these former jihad is and their supporters to stand trial on the face of hum it is from the terrorism an organized crime unit a University CollegeLondon Department of security in crime science is research has focused on the psychology of radicalization welcome to day w o u research is involved taking brain scans of radicalized jihad this is what if you learns about the minds of people who leave to join the socalled Islamic State. Learned a couple of things i mean one thing weve learned is that people who are early stage of radicalization havent fully it after the ideology yet for them experiencing social exclusion which in common a variety of different forms online and offline pushes them further towards the violence but when it comes