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Make decisions that are closer to me i think shes really the best candidate either way not just because shes a woman that was the. Person touched by the story. Also coming up tonight on this world elephant day well ask why these giant animals are still being poached 3 decades after the president of kenya trying to say. That grid gives you up to acquire. The people of the world to join. In by the minute to get that tree in but i voted one for. Our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day this 1st day for the biden harris seat. The presumptive president ial candidate for the democrats joe biden has selected california senator come oharas to be his Vice President ial running mate their ticket becomes official at the Democrats National Convention Next week biden hair as are a team of opposites in many ways a white man a black woman a man in his seventys a woman in her fiftys a candidate who can ease the worries of voters who have seen a lot and a candidate who excites the hopes of those who are just beginning to use their vote. Harris is being celebrated as the 1st woman of color to run for Vice President that in itself is monumental harris embodies the evolution of america where the concept of we the people is expanding to offer more people a place at the table or us President Donald Trump has not even mentioned this Inflection Point in American History instead he reacted by calling harris a nasty woman Vice President my pens he has been noticeably quiet what must he be thinking there will be one by his president ial debate before the november election it could possibly be the most watched debate of this entire Campaign Season and that speaks for harris not for mike pence. I was raised to take action my mother knew that she was raising 2 black daughters who would be treated differently because of how they learned growing up whenever i got upset about something my mother would look me in the eye and ask so what are you going to do about it thats why when i see a broken Justice System i became a lawyer to try and fix it. Its why during the foreclosure crisis i took on the big banks as californias attorney general its why as United States senator i have fought to represent people like my mother people who politicians often overlook or dont take seriously. Our joining me tonight here at the big table is a veteran of the obama campaigns julies fund our he knows joe biden julies is now a Campaign Strategy consultant joins us good to have you back here at the big table weve been here many times before to talk politics did you expect biden to select fair. I think there are a lot of great candidates that he got to select from but i think it was the obvious choice not just for political reasons i think they also seem to have some sort of chemistry and so shes not radical she is going to. Being able to excite the base so i think she is the right choice but to make is. Is coming here is that is she a safe bit. She is safe bet i think you know 1st and foremost this is the 1st president ial decision that biden makes in case he gets nominated that she gets elected so i think she checks all the boxes to be a formidable president and to clear that hurdle but i think just from a Pure Campaign perspective she is a former prosecutor she can bring the heat she can make sure mendis arguments actually grill somebody like. Bill barr and then others have experience in the senate so i think this election today is about Campbell Harris tomorrow it will be back on a referendum over trump and his handling on the coronavirus and the economy and so i think if shes formidable in actually bringing that argument right to chop. His relationship most recently has been defined by what we saw during the debates during the primary season there was that one exchange there where she was talking about being a little girl who was bused to schools during desegregation so take us inside the thinking tonight. How do these 2 put that behind them because now they look like theyre best friends i mean joe biden in this initial email when he announced the pick of camel here said that his son joe biden had tremendous respect they had a great relationship and so you know he pointed that out but i think theres a big question of how to move forward and youre right every t. V. Interview is going to start with that exactly if you have debate and so there are 2 choices now on how they move forward in they say well you know this is primary politics were both pretty hungry come and harris was a young candidate you know and she wanted to make waves thats one way of doing it but i think itll turn voters off i think the better way to do it is to say look we had our differences and you know we stood for we believe in and we were divided that point but also. The country is divided and joe biden is actually someone who can bring in somebody who doesnt just always have the same pinioned just like the country is right now and hes actually that figure that could potentially unite the country yeah and you know i was reading today that obama had to forgive joe barton back in 2008 when they were running against each other before by became Vice President and now weve seen here couple harris shes basically you know the roles have been reversed thats for. I want to take a listen now to how u. S. President on the trip how he reacted to the news i was a little surprised that he picked ive been watching her for a long time and i was surprised she was extraordinarily nasty to. Judge kavanaugh then now just as she was nasty to a level that was just a horrible thing the way she would do if she treated now just as. And i wont forget that so she did very poorly in the primaries and now shes chosen so lets see how that will work for her so how do you read that this is dont trump worried well i mean he says hes surprised but his campaign was a negative hit ad on comedy hairs just 30 minutes after the announcement was made by the campaign so i think theyre ready and i think a Good Campaign will be ready they pointed out that she is a you know tool of the radical left that essentially you know all the you you know radical left wing policies are going to be stuck and if its not right shes a she since already the moderate i mean shes you could make the argument that shes been a law and order candidate and a prosecutor in california so shes pretty moderate when it comes down to the issues but of course you know there is a Campaign Tactic and strategy that the Charm Campaign is trying to friendly that way what about the Vice President might pen should he be worried even more i mean hes the one who has to debate really some of that here thats going to be a tough night and i think itll be watched a lot of people are going to be tuning in. To that to that fight look she has been proving that she can actually bring the heat shes a prosecutor shes a lawyer she knows how to make an argument she knows how to you know sort of lay out the bait and then actually execute on it and so you know theyre going to look for it but at the same time people take a hard look at the top of the ticket again today its commonly harris and thats the big story yes were going to be watching the baby but in the end people will make the decision based on the top of the take of which is joe biden and can you think of 2 politicians he represents such different ideas about america then come over here is mike pence right i mean i do remember the Vice President ial debate in 2008 when it was sarah palin and joe biden different setting but it was also a female candidate against a older white man back then so i think theres some some similarities in that regard but again its going to be super nasty i think this is already clear from the set out. That the nasty woman this is the same rhetoric that they used 2016 when they tried to define and successfully defined Hillary Clinton so i think got to be ready to actually take that heat and she didnt do particularly well with some of that during the primaries what are you expecting next week at the Democrats National convention it is going to be completely different than anything weve seen before right i mean usually during this time the president ial candidate and the v. P. Pick would tour around the country have a big rally with a lot of folks now they are pretty much stuck to zoom and the same things going to be true for the entire Democratic Convention so i think its going to be a lot tighter its going to be produced for t. V. I think theyre going to try to do a lot of biographical ads and i should tell the story of who joe biden and camel hairs actually are what their personal stories are vote though that values are but also draw a very stark contrast to trump you know definitely be different from the conventions weve seen in the past that is sure to lose when the lars always jews its good to have your insight some sure but we talking again so close to election day its always good to see you thanks for. Im coming to harris being named a Vice President ial candidate is historic for people of color and for women across the u. S. I was thrilled i am and i worry that he would forget about the apple im in and his promise and he came during i think means a lot to have her at the top of the ticket and i think it means that we have at least a campaign that is responsive to black women especially as an africanamerican woman were used to being a target its not going to be anything new for camila im pretty confident that she can and i think thats really important for america to see that black women are good partners it we will do the work that we will be aggressive and one where only being a black woman with ambition is not a bad thing all right you said that right im joined now by journalist k. J. Matthews in Los Angeles California t. J. Its good to see you we usually talk about hollywood in the world of entertainment tonight lets talk politics you know the saying is all politics is local that must have special meaning in california where you are come a harris shes a california senator and shes now running for Vice President. Yeah you know so many of us women of color particularly africanamerican women have been just on a high since yesterday the minute this news came out we were just really really allayed it like you said shes a california native mama california native hes from Northern California im from Southern California los angeles and shes one of the only 2 black women to be elected to the u. S. Senate so we thought that she was on the shortlist for biden for a very long time but we werent sure because there were so many other are black women who were asked on that list but were very very pleased to see that she was chosen for sure weve talked about Race Relations in the u. S. Before coming to harris is the 1st woman of color to run for Vice President on a major parties ticket she could very well one day be president i mean what does this mean to you and how you view the United States. I will definitely end of being interesting time lets look at the fact that were in a pandemic and were having a racial reawakening in this country with the explosion of black white man so our country is suffering a really very difficult time right now and she really speaks to the change that we need in this country i think that biden knew for a very long time but he needs to choose the one that was not just a person of color particularly a black person but he needed to choose somebody that had the experience and the wherewithal that could take on the office should he not be able to complete the task he had 77 years old he would be the oldest u. S. President to be elected so we needed somebody with that you can come away is is 55 years old hes a u. S. Senate before that he was at an attorney general shes married to the stepmother shes shes really been away on and she ran for president sent her to fetch shes right president you called out very very familiar with the terrain that she will need to walk in these next 3 and a half months as she could very well one day be madam president as you said Valerie Jarrett the Senior Adviser to barack obama she has signed a letter today warning the news media to not rely on sexist troops in their reporting of strong women such as hairs do you think she will be held to a different standard because she is a woman. I think shell be held to a higher standard and let me tell you why if you go back and you look at the headlines who are Elizabeth Warren who also went for president and said abas is Hillary Clinton so much risk discussed about abby likable do they come across as angry would you want to have dinner with them and if you look at those headlines no one ever said that about him or the male candidates we ask yourself why i would tell you that i believe with cholera and ready people are questioning her ethnicity whether or not she can be considered africanamerican or just a black person whether or not shes had a slave lineage in her background so i ready to hire their help i think having her that is to a very High Standard and we havent even started the Campaign Race yet so yes i do believe they will hold her to a High Standard to a different standard but it is up to the American Society should question media and question people who do that its a very good point 0 leaves good as the questions you pose q jay mathews in los angeles as always its good talking to you good getting these insights thank you thank you. Well one way a politician can make a name for herself is through her name. Has a name that has challenged many a public speaker or politicians and even t. V. News anchors i know from personal experience now the correct pronunciation is here but dont take my word for tonight we go to the source herself for a video that is the definitive guide on how to pronounce mrs harrisons name take a look take a listen its not. Its not come. Not come. Comma paired. Comma or it would challenge that comma come comma my hair is present im common and i have this method. Economic growth figures for the 2nd quarter they have been divided all across europe but no contraction has been as bad as what we have seen in britain where the economy tanked by 20. 4 percent in the 2nd quarter in march the countrys deepest recession on record u. K. s coronavirus forced walk down triggered deep declines in state. Here at the big table by my colleague Kate Ferguson from the business good to see you so lets 1st talk about this the u. K. Is suffering by far the worst recession of the industrialized economies why is it so bad in the u. K. Well the governments response to the Coronavirus Crisis definitely played a major role here so britain compared to many other countries with much slower to acknowledge the severity of the situation and when it did it meant that its locked and was longer and more severe than that of other countries and because britain relies so heavily on the Services Sector makes up a c. Percent of economic output in britain so the closure for a long. In time of hotels and restaurants and Leisure Facilities played a major role on how to disproportionately large impact on the economy. There who have been things that the conservative government under. Drugs into the done right there have been some positive c. S. O. Once Prime Minister Barak Johnson did acknowledge the seriousness of the situation was quite swift to ramp up testing and hospital bed capacity and the government has also invested a lot in Vaccine Research with some promising early results from the university of oxford among others it also has a scheme for for a lot of workers that has helped about 9000000 british workers stay afloat during the crisis so a couple of hours of hope there is the. Yeah its due to in does not tobe or is there any reason to hope that things will improve by that to be honest it really doesnt look like the finance minister richie soon when he was announcing these figures and asked the british people to prepare for more hardship and more job losses so thats what the government thinks is going to happen in the autumn so its not looking too good experts also think that and unemployment figures wont return to their precrisis levels for another 2 years north even at the estimates i thought are very hard to make during a pandemic you know im wondering gee does this all have to do with the pandemic were the brics play a role here well there was a time when not a day would pass without us talking about. Just because the coronavirus is overshadowing everything doesnt mean that its gone away so britain at the moment is in a transition period it has officially left the European Union but not much has changed on an economic front yet because its still in the Customs Union and in the Single Market thats going to end though in december thats when the transition period comes to a close and that means that britain is under siege pressure to come up with new trade agreements with other countries on top of that lived is the United States<\/a> and all around the world welcome we begin the day this 1st day for the biden harris seat. The presumptive president ial candidate for the democrats joe biden has selected california senator come oharas to be his Vice President<\/a> ial running mate their ticket becomes official at the Democrats National<\/a> Convention Next<\/a> week biden hair as are a team of opposites in many ways a white man a black woman a man in his seventys a woman in her fiftys a candidate who can ease the worries of voters who have seen a lot and a candidate who excites the hopes of those who are just beginning to use their vote. Harris is being celebrated as the 1st woman of color to run for Vice President<\/a> that in itself is monumental harris embodies the evolution of america where the concept of we the people is expanding to offer more people a place at the table or us President Donald Trump<\/a> has not even mentioned this Inflection Point<\/a> in American History<\/a> instead he reacted by calling harris a nasty woman Vice President<\/a> my pens he has been noticeably quiet what must he be thinking there will be one by his president ial debate before the november election it could possibly be the most watched debate of this entire Campaign Season<\/a> and that speaks for harris not for mike pence. I was raised to take action my mother knew that she was raising 2 black daughters who would be treated differently because of how they learned growing up whenever i got upset about something my mother would look me in the eye and ask so what are you going to do about it thats why when i see a broken Justice System<\/a> i became a lawyer to try and fix it. Its why during the foreclosure crisis i took on the big banks as californias attorney general its why as United States<\/a> senator i have fought to represent people like my mother people who politicians often overlook or dont take seriously. Our joining me tonight here at the big table is a veteran of the obama campaigns julies fund our he knows joe biden julies is now a Campaign Strategy<\/a> consultant joins us good to have you back here at the big table weve been here many times before to talk politics did you expect biden to select fair. I think there are a lot of great candidates that he got to select from but i think it was the obvious choice not just for political reasons i think they also seem to have some sort of chemistry and so shes not radical she is going to. Being able to excite the base so i think she is the right choice but to make is. Is coming here is that is she a safe bit. She is safe bet i think you know 1st and foremost this is the 1st president ial decision that biden makes in case he gets nominated that she gets elected so i think she checks all the boxes to be a formidable president and to clear that hurdle but i think just from a Pure Campaign<\/a> perspective she is a former prosecutor she can bring the heat she can make sure mendis arguments actually grill somebody like. Bill barr and then others have experience in the senate so i think this election today is about Campbell Harris<\/a> tomorrow it will be back on a referendum over trump and his handling on the coronavirus and the economy and so i think if shes formidable in actually bringing that argument right to chop. His relationship most recently has been defined by what we saw during the debates during the primary season there was that one exchange there where she was talking about being a little girl who was bused to schools during desegregation so take us inside the thinking tonight. How do these 2 put that behind them because now they look like theyre best friends i mean joe biden in this initial email when he announced the pick of camel here said that his son joe biden had tremendous respect they had a great relationship and so you know he pointed that out but i think theres a big question of how to move forward and youre right every t. V. Interview is going to start with that exactly if you have debate and so there are 2 choices now on how they move forward in they say well you know this is primary politics were both pretty hungry come and harris was a young candidate you know and she wanted to make waves thats one way of doing it but i think itll turn voters off i think the better way to do it is to say look we had our differences and you know we stood for we believe in and we were divided that point but also. The country is divided and joe biden is actually someone who can bring in somebody who doesnt just always have the same pinioned just like the country is right now and hes actually that figure that could potentially unite the country yeah and you know i was reading today that obama had to forgive joe barton back in 2008 when they were running against each other before by became Vice President<\/a> and now weve seen here couple harris shes basically you know the roles have been reversed thats for. I want to take a listen now to how u. S. President on the trip how he reacted to the news i was a little surprised that he picked ive been watching her for a long time and i was surprised she was extraordinarily nasty to. Judge kavanaugh then now just as she was nasty to a level that was just a horrible thing the way she would do if she treated now just as. And i wont forget that so she did very poorly in the primaries and now shes chosen so lets see how that will work for her so how do you read that this is dont trump worried well i mean he says hes surprised but his campaign was a negative hit ad on comedy hairs just 30 minutes after the announcement was made by the campaign so i think theyre ready and i think a Good Campaign<\/a> will be ready they pointed out that she is a you know tool of the radical left that essentially you know all the you you know radical left wing policies are going to be stuck and if its not right shes a she since already the moderate i mean shes you could make the argument that shes been a law and order candidate and a prosecutor in california so shes pretty moderate when it comes down to the issues but of course you know there is a Campaign Tactic<\/a> and strategy that the Charm Campaign<\/a> is trying to friendly that way what about the Vice President<\/a> might pen should he be worried even more i mean hes the one who has to debate really some of that here thats going to be a tough night and i think itll be watched a lot of people are going to be tuning in. To that to that fight look she has been proving that she can actually bring the heat shes a prosecutor shes a lawyer she knows how to make an argument she knows how to you know sort of lay out the bait and then actually execute on it and so you know theyre going to look for it but at the same time people take a hard look at the top of the ticket again today its commonly harris and thats the big story yes were going to be watching the baby but in the end people will make the decision based on the top of the take of which is joe biden and can you think of 2 politicians he represents such different ideas about america then come over here is mike pence right i mean i do remember the Vice President<\/a> ial debate in 2008 when it was sarah palin and joe biden different setting but it was also a female candidate against a older white man back then so i think theres some some similarities in that regard but again its going to be super nasty i think this is already clear from the set out. That the nasty woman this is the same rhetoric that they used 2016 when they tried to define and successfully defined Hillary Clinton<\/a> so i think got to be ready to actually take that heat and she didnt do particularly well with some of that during the primaries what are you expecting next week at the Democrats National<\/a> convention it is going to be completely different than anything weve seen before right i mean usually during this time the president ial candidate and the v. P. Pick would tour around the country have a big rally with a lot of folks now they are pretty much stuck to zoom and the same things going to be true for the entire Democratic Convention<\/a> so i think its going to be a lot tighter its going to be produced for t. V. I think theyre going to try to do a lot of biographical ads and i should tell the story of who joe biden and camel hairs actually are what their personal stories are vote though that values are but also draw a very stark contrast to trump you know definitely be different from the conventions weve seen in the past that is sure to lose when the lars always jews its good to have your insight some sure but we talking again so close to election day its always good to see you thanks for. Im coming to harris being named a Vice President<\/a> ial candidate is historic for people of color and for women across the u. S. I was thrilled i am and i worry that he would forget about the apple im in and his promise and he came during i think means a lot to have her at the top of the ticket and i think it means that we have at least a campaign that is responsive to black women especially as an africanamerican woman were used to being a target its not going to be anything new for camila im pretty confident that she can and i think thats really important for america to see that black women are good partners it we will do the work that we will be aggressive and one where only being a black woman with ambition is not a bad thing all right you said that right im joined now by journalist k. J. Matthews in Los Angeles California<\/a> t. J. Its good to see you we usually talk about hollywood in the world of entertainment tonight lets talk politics you know the saying is all politics is local that must have special meaning in california where you are come a harris shes a california senator and shes now running for Vice President<\/a>. Yeah you know so many of us women of color particularly africanamerican women have been just on a high since yesterday the minute this news came out we were just really really allayed it like you said shes a california native mama california native hes from Northern California<\/a> im from Southern California<\/a> los angeles and shes one of the only 2 black women to be elected to the u. S. Senate so we thought that she was on the shortlist for biden for a very long time but we werent sure because there were so many other are black women who were asked on that list but were very very pleased to see that she was chosen for sure weve talked about Race Relations<\/a> in the u. S. Before coming to harris is the 1st woman of color to run for Vice President<\/a> on a major parties ticket she could very well one day be president i mean what does this mean to you and how you view the United States<\/a>. I will definitely end of being interesting time lets look at the fact that were in a pandemic and were having a racial reawakening in this country with the explosion of black white man so our country is suffering a really very difficult time right now and she really speaks to the change that we need in this country i think that biden knew for a very long time but he needs to choose the one that was not just a person of color particularly a black person but he needed to choose somebody that had the experience and the wherewithal that could take on the office should he not be able to complete the task he had 77 years old he would be the oldest u. S. President to be elected so we needed somebody with that you can come away is is 55 years old hes a u. S. Senate before that he was at an attorney general shes married to the stepmother shes shes really been away on and she ran for president sent her to fetch shes right president you called out very very familiar with the terrain that she will need to walk in these next 3 and a half months as she could very well one day be madam president as you said Valerie Jarrett<\/a> the Senior Adviser<\/a> to barack obama she has signed a letter today warning the news media to not rely on sexist troops in their reporting of strong women such as hairs do you think she will be held to a different standard because she is a woman. I think shell be held to a higher standard and let me tell you why if you go back and you look at the headlines who are Elizabeth Warren<\/a> who also went for president and said abas is Hillary Clinton<\/a> so much risk discussed about abby likable do they come across as angry would you want to have dinner with them and if you look at those headlines no one ever said that about him or the male candidates we ask yourself why i would tell you that i believe with cholera and ready people are questioning her ethnicity whether or not she can be considered africanamerican or just a black person whether or not shes had a slave lineage in her background so i ready to hire their help i think having her that is to a very High Standard<\/a> and we havent even started the Campaign Race<\/a> yet so yes i do believe they will hold her to a High Standard<\/a> to a different standard but it is up to the American Society<\/a> should question media and question people who do that its a very good point 0 leaves good as the questions you pose q jay mathews in los angeles as always its good talking to you good getting these insights thank you thank you. Well one way a politician can make a name for herself is through her name. Has a name that has challenged many a public speaker or politicians and even t. V. News anchors i know from personal experience now the correct pronunciation is here but dont take my word for tonight we go to the source herself for a video that is the definitive guide on how to pronounce mrs harrisons name take a look take a listen its not. Its not come. Not come. Comma paired. Comma or it would challenge that comma come comma my hair is present im common and i have this method. Economic growth figures for the 2nd quarter they have been divided all across europe but no contraction has been as bad as what we have seen in britain where the economy tanked by 20. 4 percent in the 2nd quarter in march the countrys deepest recession on record u. K. s coronavirus forced walk down triggered deep declines in state. Here at the big table by my colleague Kate Ferguson<\/a> from the business good to see you so lets 1st talk about this the u. K. Is suffering by far the worst recession of the industrialized economies why is it so bad in the u. K. Well the governments response to the Coronavirus Crisis<\/a> definitely played a major role here so britain compared to many other countries with much slower to acknowledge the severity of the situation and when it did it meant that its locked and was longer and more severe than that of other countries and because britain relies so heavily on the Services Sector<\/a> makes up a c. Percent of economic output in britain so the closure for a long. In time of hotels and restaurants and Leisure Facilities<\/a> played a major role on how to disproportionately large impact on the economy. There who have been things that the conservative government under. Drugs into the done right there have been some positive c. S. O. Once Prime Minister<\/a> Barak Johnson<\/a> did acknowledge the seriousness of the situation was quite swift to ramp up testing and hospital bed capacity and the government has also invested a lot in Vaccine Research<\/a> with some promising early results from the university of oxford among others it also has a scheme for for a lot of workers that has helped about 9000000 british workers stay afloat during the crisis so a couple of hours of hope there is the. Yeah its due to in does not tobe or is there any reason to hope that things will improve by that to be honest it really doesnt look like the finance minister richie soon when he was announcing these figures and asked the british people to prepare for more hardship and more job losses so thats what the government thinks is going to happen in the autumn so its not looking too good experts also think that and unemployment figures wont return to their precrisis levels for another 2 years north even at the estimates i thought are very hard to make during a pandemic you know im wondering gee does this all have to do with the pandemic were the brics play a role here well there was a time when not a day would pass without us talking about. Just because the coronavirus is overshadowing everything doesnt mean that its gone away so britain at the moment is in a transition period it has officially left the European Union<\/a> but not much has changed on an economic front yet because its still in the Customs Union<\/a> and in the Single Market<\/a> thats going to end though in december thats when the transition period comes to a close and that means that britain is under siege pressure to come up with new trade agreements with other countries on top of that lived is the European Union<\/a> itself now the last set of talks between the 2 sides and it early on without any sign of an. It and the other big one of course is the United States<\/a> and i was you know more than anyone else theyre quite distracted at the moment with an Election Campaign<\/a> they have not really prioritizing trade ties and so what does this mean then for the the u. K. Its negotiating leverage right now in these talks and with the e. U. Is the u. K. Weaker now well it certainly doesnt have much economic leverage at the moment and another thing thats worth bearing in mind is that because travel restrictions are still in place a lot of these negotiations are due to take place virtually so for a character like Doris Johnson<\/a> hes used to relying a lot on his charisma and charm he might find a little bit more difficult to transmit those qualities you know theres a good point hes not exactly the person you would think with excel in the Virtual World<\/a> thats for sure ferguson Business Case<\/a> we appreciate the analysis tonight thank you. Singapore have started destroying 9 tons of ivory to mark world elephant day in whats the largest such action in recent years the tusks from 300 elephants are being put through a walk crusher on the ivory was seized between 20142019 will take up to 5 days to crush completely authorities to disrupt the Global Supply<\/a> chain of illegally traded ivory conservationist say that the trade has pushed elephant poaching to quizes levels in asia and in africa. My next guest Keith Somerville<\/a> is an expert on the ivory trade hes the author of the book ivory tower and poaching in africa. Is good to have you on the day this is a very dramatic action is there any evidence to suggest that it will change things on the ground for elephants. None whatsoever there have been burnings and crushing and various other media events to destroy ivory very publicly it hasnt all suits the level of poaching it doesnt seem in any meaningful way to of or to demand ivory particularly in china and its really just a p. R. Stunt if anything is counterproductive because it tells those involved in the illegal trade we have just destroyed the ivory for 300. 00 elephants that ivory no longer exists the tool will never come on to the market and if anything its an impetus to more poaching and possibly even an impetus to rise in the price of illegal ivory therefore making it more attractive in the future which you know we weve seen similar vents in the past there is this event most famously the president of kenya who set fire to a heap of Elephant Tusks<\/a> back in 1809 and that did make a difference or did it not what do you say it did. It didnt so 989. 00 it coincided with the decision of psyches the International Organization<\/a> that governs trade in endangered species 989. 00 site sees particularly under pressure from western countries to kenya joined in with it and tanzania decided to institute a ban on the legal trade in ivory now since 1989. The numbers of elephants who dropped from somewhere in the region of 62700000 down 24150028 possible maximum of 550000 so the very least they dropped about 100000 in that time and coaching continues it hasnt had an effect yeah i mean these numbers have. Gone down in a time when International Ivory<\/a> trade has been banned in d. Because that the trade now is totally the monopoly approaches there is demand that cannot be met legally theyre for. There is a space for poaching and for smuggling so you get the lowest level in africa relatively poor people in rural areas or sometimes semi employed use for the outskirts of cities who are drawn into poaching they get paid what for them is a lot of money and maybe a 100. 00 for tusk that task might then sell for several 1000. 00 possibly more when he gets to the final market so because there is demand and because of the situation in many african countries with people who live alongside elephants actually lose by living alongside their crops or eat their water pumps are destroyed and unless incentives are found and a ways found to empower local people where the elephants are is going to be very hard to stop thank you to a local community of 8 ive got 30 seconds here on this world elephant day is there any reason to be optimistic about the future of belt its. There are some slight reasons countries like namibia elephant formulation from 6000 to nearly 24000 over the last 2030 years a large part because of the empowerment of local communities tanzania has begun to stop. There are some hopeful signs and the key as ive said put the communities in charge let them decide about their own. Kids summerville expert on the ivory trade author of the book ivory tower and poaching in africa keith we appreciate your insights tonight thank you thank you. The day is almost on the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter either at the w. News you can follow me at brant golf t. V. And remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see that everybody. Has been working in italys fields for many years he has no Legal Protection<\/a> no rights and barely enough to live on. In june a new law came into effect. For him and about 350000 other Migrant Workers<\/a> it meant hope. 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