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Reopens after a 5 year renovation. Im told me a lot of well welcome to the program for us and google are headed to court the trumpet ministration on tuesday filed a landmark antitrust lawsuit against google it alleges that the tech giant has been abusing its dominance as an Online Search engine to fend off rivals google controls about 90 percent of global web web searches the company has long denied claims of unfair competition the lawsuit also alleges that google uses billions of dollars to pay phone manufacturers to ensure it is the default Search Engine on browsers is the u. S. Governments most significant act to protect competition since its groundbreaking case against microsoft. In 20 years ago. Already i spoke to a washington correspondent all of us sat and i asked him what exactly google is being accused of the allegation made against google is that the company is unlawfully maintaining a monopoly in essentially cutting off its rivals in the areas mentioned here are general Search Services search advertising in general search text advertising so essentially all the areas google is known for and especially used for among users now this is a very significant law case as youve mentioned already its the biggest type of biggest off its time in the last 20 years since a very groundbreaking case against microsoft they were also looking at one of the u. S. Governments most significant act to protect the competition here now google has of course also responded already they say that this law case is deeply flawed they really stress today that people are using google and terribly simply because they choose to enough because theyre forced to and 3 that also other options exist other search and engines that can be used other browsers of course as well and the l. Also made clear that theyre going to fight this. Countries across europe a scrambling to contain a fresh wave of covert 19 infections here in germany the Southern State of the varia has the most new cases there the district of bush just gotten is now under a Strict Lockdown with the more than 100000 residents largely confined to their homes. Besht has got no land in bavaria. On the austrian border the number one coronavirus hotspot in germany the number of new cases that in the last week is 5 times above the threshold for a high risk area as of choose day locals are back in lockdown and only allowed to leave their homes with a valid reason the number of new daily cases in germany is rising nationwide with the south and the west worst hit more than 129 areas and deemed high risk as the 2nd wave hits but lynn authorities are urging people to wear masks in all crowded places where social distancing isnt possible mosques a compulsory at markets well queuing and on some shopping streets the night the public is largely remaining calm but. Of course where afraid but not in the sense that i think about it all the time its good to go in protecting ourselves just like before us but as you know i still live with my parents so i wont go panic buying but i already found it bad the 1st time around and this time to. Think it meant but it thats it i think were better prepared this time around compared to the 1st time. I see how people are behaving and its much better. But what it means for us im in berlin for the 1st time in 10 months and of course im a bass afraid him or not good. Enough in political speeches pressure is growing for more involvement of the parliament in coronavirus Decision Making in this talk president both can show you wrote to m. P. s on monday saying that part of the world has no make and must be more distinct in the handling of the pandemic a polite reminder that in germanys democracy parliament makes the laws not the government. Or russia it excuse me russia is also logging record case loads of covert 19 more than 16000 on tuesday alone but authorities are doing all they can to avoid another unpopular lockdown theyre also promoting new russian made vaccines due to be rolled out soon and. For many people thats music to the ears. Music is his drug nicholai marker of jokes to him its essential. The professional musician directs an amateur choir in moscow the group is getting ready for an Upcoming Event as if nothing has happened no 2nd wave of corona virus during the pandemic that has swept across russia and the whole world no one here wants to stop singing despite the risk of infection. Or. The risk here is no greater than the risk of riding the subway or going to the supermarket every day of course we had here to Safety Measures keep our distance while sitting constantly pour disinfectant all over ourselves and so on but ultimately belief and hope remain. A very nice career. Hope that all goes well something the russians now could use as their country has ranked number 4 worldwide in new infection rates for weeks about 15000 covert 1000 cases are registered each day in russia but despite this dramatic situation officials want to avoid another lockdown like the one this spring. Weve just extended the School Vacation to 2 weeks all businesses are 1st being given the recommendation and later will be ordered to have their employees work mostly from home more than last year with it all matters of a couple of bars and restaurants must obey hygiene measures in order to stay open the city performs frequent checks on individual restaurants and supermarkets and imposes penalties of customers or staff dont wear masks for example. Youre starting this week all guests must register with an electronic code when they visit bars. But many are not especially worried about the risk of infection to denote were all going to infect each other anyway half the country has already survived. Mild cases of coronavirus myself included. That it will be i had corona virus without symptoms and im not afraid now i think that sooner or later well all get it. They get tested for corona virus regular night so that they can attend as many rehearsals possible if one singer tests positive for cope at 19 he says everyone would be notified immediately and. Theres was a can you was more we cant live without music when we were in coron teen for nearly half an ear this spring and couldnt sing together we nearly sobbed and despair. Many of the choir singers want to get vaccinated against corona virus as soon as possible russia has just approved its 2nd vaccine against covert 19 despite International Scientists grave safety concerns. Lets catch up on other developments within the coronavirus pandemic researchers in the u. K. Are planning to deliberately in fact volunteers with the virus that causes covert 19 the controversial technique could speed up development of a vaccine to help and the pandemic if it receives regulatory and ethics approval singable plans to roll out rapid coronavirus tests for weddings and business conferences its Health Ministry says it will identify other events that will require rapid tests they are likely to include Sports Events and Live Performances and india has recorded its lowest daily amount of new coronavirus cases in nearly 3 months the number of new infections continues to decline since peaking in september. A nasa spacecraft has briefly landed on an asteroid called bend over 320000000 kilometers from earth youll cyrus rex collected rock and dust samples that scientists hope will allow them to learn more about how planets formed and how life began. 2 words that nasa scientists have waited for since 2016 when robotic spacecraft cyrus rex started its journey to the asteroid for the past 2 years of its mission is rex has been orbiting the asteroid looking for the perfect spot to land for only a brief encounter a few seconds almost like a kiss on the surface was all the time osiris rex had to grab rock and dust samples from the asteroid seconds that have been here in the making room i can tell you that everything went just exactly perfect which is kind of the hallmark of this team we have consistently beating expectations over and over again we have overcome the amazing challenges that this asteroid has thrown at us and the spacecraft appears to have operated flawlessly it was the 1st time nasa has touched down and asteroids but it could be a week before scientists know if and how much the spacecraft scrapped still the mission is already a success i mean like ever we would actually pull this off. If the Sample Collection was successful cyrus rex will begin its long journey home and return to earth in 2023. Football now and the Champions League has resumed amid media speculation about its possible demise in future seasons but last terms semifinalist rb leipsic got on with the job in hand and beat istanbuls bush action here 2 nil and jay leno grabbed both goals in their group 8 open eye and german city only 999 fans were allowed in due to coronavirus restrictions the turks were making their debut in the elite competition on a heavily backed president on. The other Champions League matches on tuesday was a poor start for brucia dortmund they lost 31 at italys last seal last seasons runners up p. S. G. Were beaten 21 by Manchester United and boss alona won 5 nil 51 at home to hungary and furrows for off who are making their group stage comeback after 25 years away told us by munich host Atletico Madrid on wednesday with surgical gnabry ruled out with corona virus the germ of the Jewish Museum in the german city of frankfurt is to reopen after a 5 year refurbishment costing 50000000 euros and with a completely new permanent exhibition showing many personal aspects of jewish life it also has a new annex for temporary exhibitions heres a sneak preview. As patrons of the Jewish Museum darcy had lit ski and band no block were among a select field granted access ahead of the official reopening the son of the former president of the Central Council of jews in germany soon discovered familiar objects sort of 2 at the top right here in this photo thats from our house this was a photographer who took pictures of things he liked in various jewish households and brought them here so this mazouz is from my daughters room. Often in the interval. A mess is there is a scroll hung on the door frame of many jewish households as a reminder of gods commandments its a good example of the museums goal to depict jewish daily life in the past and present. Visitors are also invited to ask questions about judaism in an interactive video installation and they get on says. No plot and yet lecky both think its important to impart knowledge about judaism in order to break down barriers. In mind and given that you face the other person and ask questions about religion about the others religion about their roots about their family histories british theyre familiar. The families of doris yet lidsky and bench no block both fled from the nazis during world war 2 and had to start over after the nazi era. The Jewish Museum in frankfurt opened in 1908 and has been renovated and expanded over the past 5 years its societal function is just as important today as when it 1st opened. It what we will see. I think we can see that the president is bringing up a lot of topics again we have to talk about racism and anti semitism more than we did 10 or 20 years ago with the footy. And theres the question how can we counter this. I think its very important that we impart knowledge and this museum does just that which is. Because the greatest fear as is often said is ultimately the fear of the unknown. Youre watching the news from berlin coming up next is all film documentary about torture remember to keep up to date with all the news around the clock on our website e. W. Dot com im told me all a lot in well thats it from me but the news continues at the top of the hour with terry matson thanks for joining us. Were all set. To go beyond the obvious. Were all about the stories that matter to the. Country. Whatever it takes. People are running now to explain further tonight not a w made for mines ready. If anybodys been trapped in an elevator 20 that its could be a pretty long time right and alone trapped in an elevator. For 20 minutes not knowing whats going to happen not knowing where you are since of sensory deprivation. Figured out its your life not 20 minutes out an hour out and the only guy on the intercom is nothing i asked her to get you out because i was keeping you. Is your communications. Existence. Legal i mean one of the little. Biggie and you know. But it does not in news. It will not end until every terrorist group. Has been found. Dumped and defeat. At the last more than one term. So you know in person to plan resort to torture and i think it gives them the illusion of mouse free dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves but we could in fact create a Democratic Society which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror the fact that we dont is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears. Socalled confessed interrogation techniques used by the u. S. Officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected. And leave no physical traces and the cynics. Stream li. Destructive practice torture. On of course on those who receive this pain and suffering but also on the side that becomes a society of cruelty what weve done is weve not so much lost the war on torture as weve won the war on democracy and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades said that theres nobody in this country who didnt grow up with some bogeyman some danger 1st it was communism then it was terrorism. Obviously and. In many facets of what is generally called the cold war. Which communist policy is force. But there is no god as the cia engage in any political activity or any intelligence to it and it was not approved at the highest level. There was a concern that emerged in the 1st part of the cold war in the late 19th for us that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. That they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break the human mind and it was that that set off this whole pursuit that little tamil it to the creation of the doctrine of psychological torture this was a time of with the brainwashing scare there was show trials in Eastern Europe and hungry in poland which. Aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seemed to be confessing to crimes that they hadnt committed. Most importantly was the trial of cardinal mines and skiing in hungary and as he was already in an afterword to quite famous because he was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of congress. And then after the war he became the cardinal on the primitive church. They arrested him they can find him because jews of being an aristocrat he became a kind of target of the regime. And then he was put on trial were publicly confessed to the charges against him and there was this fear in washington the prince of the church and you know for a man known for his courage under nazi pressure that if he could be broken clearly the soviets were session of techniques. Good. Form. As much control far as it starts in the 1950 s. Was a project of that involved a 1000000000. 00 a year. There was a formal creation of british and in american cooperation at the highest levels in order to mobilize the able scientists of these 3 countries in order to kind of crack the code of the consciousness. To clone goals for medical doctors for Cornell University medical school in new york city. They got access to some of the more classified material on people that as scape from a certain now been tortured in the so you know. Wolf whos a very well known neurologist he had a personal relationship with al dawes the head of the cia and with the human ecology fine wolf offered to this cia a sense lay a friends in order to Study Questions of brainwashing what they discovered. Was 11. 00 of the 2 foundational techniques in the cia doctrine of psychological torture they discovered. Selfinflicted pain if you force a human being to stay in a certain position especially a position that puts a little stress on weight comments or muscles or bones joints it doesnt take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating but nobodys laying thank you finger on you you are doing it to yourself. That was one of the its never to discover was funny of the biomedical research. There was work it was the chair of the Psychology Department and the go to university in canada. Students volunteered to participate in the study of Human Behavior under extreme prolactin monotony their hands and arms were especially common to muffle a sense of touch or assign some to the biomass comes from the barons flight and yet it was impossible for most of these t. V. s to take them on in 24. 00 or 48 hours sensory deprivation really is a way of producing streaming not its a horrible experience getting worse and worse some brossard be talked about cruelty. What they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was. Once again said as bad as anything that the hitler ever done to any of us such as victims as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human and unable a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired. Became a pit consoled the cia continued to work for them is really for general modern psychological torture. That project funded another guy mcgill named dr who in camera. Was on camera on the album were on sids. Was. Was close to monstrous. Kingman for psychotherapy i was just crying crying crying. It was hopeless i didnt know what to expect they said i was going to the psychiatric ward. You had that on. Camera and thats when cameron yes i met him and we were always terrified of him why we also fear we all had a fear of him and we didnt want to him to notice us because whatever he did it would never there was a pace and put them the patient was always screaming these are the days and i was obviously a professor ewen cameron was a very famous psychiatry as t. Was head of the Online Search<\/a> engine to fend off rivals google controls about 90 percent of global web web searches the company has long denied claims of unfair competition the lawsuit also alleges that google uses billions of dollars to pay phone manufacturers to ensure it is the default Search Engine<\/a> on browsers is the u. S. Governments most significant act to protect competition since its groundbreaking case against microsoft. In 20 years ago. Already i spoke to a washington correspondent all of us sat and i asked him what exactly google is being accused of the allegation made against google is that the company is unlawfully maintaining a monopoly in essentially cutting off its rivals in the areas mentioned here are general Search Services<\/a> search advertising in general search text advertising so essentially all the areas google is known for and especially used for among users now this is a very significant law case as youve mentioned already its the biggest type of biggest off its time in the last 20 years since a very groundbreaking case against microsoft they were also looking at one of the u. S. Governments most significant act to protect the competition here now google has of course also responded already they say that this law case is deeply flawed they really stress today that people are using google and terribly simply because they choose to enough because theyre forced to and 3 that also other options exist other search and engines that can be used other browsers of course as well and the l. Also made clear that theyre going to fight this. Countries across europe a scrambling to contain a fresh wave of covert 19 infections here in germany the Southern State<\/a> of the varia has the most new cases there the district of bush just gotten is now under a Strict Lockdown<\/a> with the more than 100000 residents largely confined to their homes. Besht has got no land in bavaria. On the austrian border the number one coronavirus hotspot in germany the number of new cases that in the last week is 5 times above the threshold for a high risk area as of choose day locals are back in lockdown and only allowed to leave their homes with a valid reason the number of new daily cases in germany is rising nationwide with the south and the west worst hit more than 129 areas and deemed high risk as the 2nd wave hits but lynn authorities are urging people to wear masks in all crowded places where social distancing isnt possible mosques a compulsory at markets well queuing and on some shopping streets the night the public is largely remaining calm but. Of course where afraid but not in the sense that i think about it all the time its good to go in protecting ourselves just like before us but as you know i still live with my parents so i wont go panic buying but i already found it bad the 1st time around and this time to. Think it meant but it thats it i think were better prepared this time around compared to the 1st time. I see how people are behaving and its much better. But what it means for us im in berlin for the 1st time in 10 months and of course im a bass afraid him or not good. Enough in political speeches pressure is growing for more involvement of the parliament in coronavirus Decision Making<\/a> in this talk president both can show you wrote to m. P. s on monday saying that part of the world has no make and must be more distinct in the handling of the pandemic a polite reminder that in germanys democracy parliament makes the laws not the government. Or russia it excuse me russia is also logging record case loads of covert 19 more than 16000 on tuesday alone but authorities are doing all they can to avoid another unpopular lockdown theyre also promoting new russian made vaccines due to be rolled out soon and. For many people thats music to the ears. Music is his drug nicholai marker of jokes to him its essential. The professional musician directs an amateur choir in moscow the group is getting ready for an Upcoming Event<\/a> as if nothing has happened no 2nd wave of corona virus during the pandemic that has swept across russia and the whole world no one here wants to stop singing despite the risk of infection. Or. The risk here is no greater than the risk of riding the subway or going to the supermarket every day of course we had here to Safety Measures<\/a> keep our distance while sitting constantly pour disinfectant all over ourselves and so on but ultimately belief and hope remain. A very nice career. Hope that all goes well something the russians now could use as their country has ranked number 4 worldwide in new infection rates for weeks about 15000 covert 1000 cases are registered each day in russia but despite this dramatic situation officials want to avoid another lockdown like the one this spring. Weve just extended the School Vacation<\/a> to 2 weeks all businesses are 1st being given the recommendation and later will be ordered to have their employees work mostly from home more than last year with it all matters of a couple of bars and restaurants must obey hygiene measures in order to stay open the city performs frequent checks on individual restaurants and supermarkets and imposes penalties of customers or staff dont wear masks for example. Youre starting this week all guests must register with an electronic code when they visit bars. But many are not especially worried about the risk of infection to denote were all going to infect each other anyway half the country has already survived. Mild cases of coronavirus myself included. That it will be i had corona virus without symptoms and im not afraid now i think that sooner or later well all get it. They get tested for corona virus regular night so that they can attend as many rehearsals possible if one singer tests positive for cope at 19 he says everyone would be notified immediately and. Theres was a can you was more we cant live without music when we were in coron teen for nearly half an ear this spring and couldnt sing together we nearly sobbed and despair. Many of the choir singers want to get vaccinated against corona virus as soon as possible russia has just approved its 2nd vaccine against covert 19 despite International Scientists<\/a> grave safety concerns. Lets catch up on other developments within the coronavirus pandemic researchers in the u. K. Are planning to deliberately in fact volunteers with the virus that causes covert 19 the controversial technique could speed up development of a vaccine to help and the pandemic if it receives regulatory and ethics approval singable plans to roll out rapid coronavirus tests for weddings and business conferences its Health Ministry<\/a> says it will identify other events that will require rapid tests they are likely to include Sports Events<\/a> and Live Performances<\/a> and india has recorded its lowest daily amount of new coronavirus cases in nearly 3 months the number of new infections continues to decline since peaking in september. A nasa spacecraft has briefly landed on an asteroid called bend over 320000000 kilometers from earth youll cyrus rex collected rock and dust samples that scientists hope will allow them to learn more about how planets formed and how life began. 2 words that nasa scientists have waited for since 2016 when robotic spacecraft cyrus rex started its journey to the asteroid for the past 2 years of its mission is rex has been orbiting the asteroid looking for the perfect spot to land for only a brief encounter a few seconds almost like a kiss on the surface was all the time osiris rex had to grab rock and dust samples from the asteroid seconds that have been here in the making room i can tell you that everything went just exactly perfect which is kind of the hallmark of this team we have consistently beating expectations over and over again we have overcome the amazing challenges that this asteroid has thrown at us and the spacecraft appears to have operated flawlessly it was the 1st time nasa has touched down and asteroids but it could be a week before scientists know if and how much the spacecraft scrapped still the mission is already a success i mean like ever we would actually pull this off. If the Sample Collection<\/a> was successful cyrus rex will begin its long journey home and return to earth in 2023. Football now and the Champions League<\/a> has resumed amid media speculation about its possible demise in future seasons but last terms semifinalist rb leipsic got on with the job in hand and beat istanbuls bush action here 2 nil and jay leno grabbed both goals in their group 8 open eye and german city only 999 fans were allowed in due to coronavirus restrictions the turks were making their debut in the elite competition on a heavily backed president on. The other Champions League<\/a> matches on tuesday was a poor start for brucia dortmund they lost 31 at italys last seal last seasons runners up p. S. G. Were beaten 21 by Manchester United<\/a> and boss alona won 5 nil 51 at home to hungary and furrows for off who are making their group stage comeback after 25 years away told us by munich host Atletico Madrid<\/a> on wednesday with surgical gnabry ruled out with corona virus the germ of the Jewish Museum<\/a> in the german city of frankfurt is to reopen after a 5 year refurbishment costing 50000000 euros and with a completely new permanent exhibition showing many personal aspects of jewish life it also has a new annex for temporary exhibitions heres a sneak preview. As patrons of the Jewish Museum<\/a> darcy had lit ski and band no block were among a select field granted access ahead of the official reopening the son of the former president of the Central Council<\/a> of jews in germany soon discovered familiar objects sort of 2 at the top right here in this photo thats from our house this was a photographer who took pictures of things he liked in various jewish households and brought them here so this mazouz is from my daughters room. Often in the interval. A mess is there is a scroll hung on the door frame of many jewish households as a reminder of gods commandments its a good example of the museums goal to depict jewish daily life in the past and present. Visitors are also invited to ask questions about judaism in an interactive video installation and they get on says. No plot and yet lecky both think its important to impart knowledge about judaism in order to break down barriers. In mind and given that you face the other person and ask questions about religion about the others religion about their roots about their family histories british theyre familiar. The families of doris yet lidsky and bench no block both fled from the nazis during world war 2 and had to start over after the nazi era. The Jewish Museum<\/a> in frankfurt opened in 1908 and has been renovated and expanded over the past 5 years its societal function is just as important today as when it 1st opened. It what we will see. I think we can see that the president is bringing up a lot of topics again we have to talk about racism and anti semitism more than we did 10 or 20 years ago with the footy. And theres the question how can we counter this. I think its very important that we impart knowledge and this museum does just that which is. Because the greatest fear as is often said is ultimately the fear of the unknown. Youre watching the news from berlin coming up next is all film documentary about torture remember to keep up to date with all the news around the clock on our website e. W. Dot com im told me all a lot in well thats it from me but the news continues at the top of the hour with terry matson thanks for joining us. Were all set. To go beyond the obvious. Were all about the stories that matter to the. Country. Whatever it takes. People are running now to explain further tonight not a w made for mines ready. If anybodys been trapped in an elevator 20 that its could be a pretty long time right and alone trapped in an elevator. For 20 minutes not knowing whats going to happen not knowing where you are since of sensory deprivation. Figured out its your life not 20 minutes out an hour out and the only guy on the intercom is nothing i asked her to get you out because i was keeping you. Is your communications. Existence. Legal i mean one of the little. Biggie and you know. But it does not in news. It will not end until every terrorist group. Has been found. Dumped and defeat. At the last more than one term. So you know in person to plan resort to torture and i think it gives them the illusion of mouse free dominance and control by torturing essentially we blind ourselves but we could in fact create a Democratic Society<\/a> which actually has consistently valuable and effective techniques to fight terror the fact that we dont is more an expression of our own anxieties and fears. Socalled confessed interrogation techniques used by the u. S. Officials were basically designed as techniques to break down the human mind and therefore also the body because they are very connected. And leave no physical traces and the cynics. Stream li. Destructive practice torture. On of course on those who receive this pain and suffering but also on the side that becomes a society of cruelty what weve done is weve not so much lost the war on torture as weve won the war on democracy and that through terrorizing a population over a period of decades said that theres nobody in this country who didnt grow up with some bogeyman some danger 1st it was communism then it was terrorism. Obviously and. In many facets of what is generally called the cold war. Which communist policy is force. But there is no god as the cia engage in any political activity or any intelligence to it and it was not approved at the highest level. There was a concern that emerged in the 1st part of the cold war in the late 19th for us that the soviets had cracked the code of human consciousness. That they knew how to apply pressure upon the human mind and break the human mind and it was that that set off this whole pursuit that little tamil it to the creation of the doctrine of psychological torture this was a time of with the brainwashing scare there was show trials in Eastern Europe<\/a> and hungry in poland which. Aroused a lot of concern in the west because people seemed to be confessing to crimes that they hadnt committed. Most importantly was the trial of cardinal mines and skiing in hungary and as he was already in an afterword to quite famous because he was known for having resisted the nazis and their occupation of congress. And then after the war he became the cardinal on the primitive church. They arrested him they can find him because jews of being an aristocrat he became a kind of target of the regime. And then he was put on trial were publicly confessed to the charges against him and there was this fear in washington the prince of the church and you know for a man known for his courage under nazi pressure that if he could be broken clearly the soviets were session of techniques. Good. Form. As much control far as it starts in the 1950 s. Was a project of that involved a 1000000000. 00 a year. There was a formal creation of british and in american cooperation at the highest levels in order to mobilize the able scientists of these 3 countries in order to kind of crack the code of the consciousness. To clone goals for medical doctors for Cornell University<\/a> medical school in new york city. They got access to some of the more classified material on people that as scape from a certain now been tortured in the so you know. Wolf whos a very well known neurologist he had a personal relationship with al dawes the head of the cia and with the human ecology fine wolf offered to this cia a sense lay a friends in order to Study Questions<\/a> of brainwashing what they discovered. Was 11. 00 of the 2 foundational techniques in the cia doctrine of psychological torture they discovered. Selfinflicted pain if you force a human being to stay in a certain position especially a position that puts a little stress on weight comments or muscles or bones joints it doesnt take very long for the pain involved to become absolutely excruciating but nobodys laying thank you finger on you you are doing it to yourself. That was one of the its never to discover was funny of the biomedical research. There was work it was the chair of the Psychology Department<\/a> and the go to university in canada. Students volunteered to participate in the study of Human Behavior<\/a> under extreme prolactin monotony their hands and arms were especially common to muffle a sense of touch or assign some to the biomass comes from the barons flight and yet it was impossible for most of these t. V. s to take them on in 24. 00 or 48 hours sensory deprivation really is a way of producing streaming not its a horrible experience getting worse and worse some brossard be talked about cruelty. What they said was that the degree of boredom became intolerable and was. Once again said as bad as anything that the hitler ever done to any of us such as victims as we know from almost any basic medical understanding human contact is what makes us human and unable a person to have a sense of normalcy in their lives and when they are completely isolated from any human contact and often kept in this sensory isolation you will literally easily become severely mentally impaired. Became a pit consoled the cia continued to work for them is really for general modern psychological torture. That project funded another guy mcgill named dr who in camera. Was on camera on the album were on sids. Was. Was close to monstrous. Kingman for psychotherapy i was just crying crying crying. It was hopeless i didnt know what to expect they said i was going to the psychiatric ward. You had that on. Camera and thats when cameron yes i met him and we were always terrified of him why we also fear we all had a fear of him and we didnt want to him to notice us because whatever he did it would never there was a pace and put them the patient was always screaming these are the days and i was obviously a professor ewen cameron was a very famous psychiatry as t. Was head of the American Psychiatric<\/a> association and the world Psychiatric Association<\/a> he was the top of the field at the same time he seemed pretty much willing to do anything and that for the cia to find a doctor who didnt have limits in a nearby capital with lots of patients to work with lies just as subjects was somebody they were interested in supporting patients would come in. With ordinary and psychological emotional problems theyd sign their waivers and then they would be subjected to this bizarre version of extreme sensory deprivation and isolation for for up to a month. One of his favorite things was he had a sort of a football helmet with a tape recorder in it that would play a tape and look up to 500000 times say things like my mother hates me and he would let the brain with rogue stench of deprivation and kind of psychological emotional assault well. Whats working i mean its garbage. What he did was he would put people under massive electric shock and he would give it to them in a prolonged basis along with what he called sleep therapy his idea was once you wake the brain clean stupid white bad to say the a buried behavior in the bad ideas the ideas that were messing up peoples minds and you could program in their ideas. I was 1st hospitalized. I was about 60. 60 half the doctors push me into its leap their way and that was it for about 3 weeks in in a sort of a deep sleep but i dont remember getting up to go to the washroom i dont i just remember that the doctor came in occasionally to feed me and that was it and then certainly after a while there was another case and that came in and she was an older one insists that in the other bed when i started to wake up i saw these patients and these patients were in tube some of them they had earphones and headphones i dont know if they did any of that to me because when i was the 1st 3 weeks i dont know what happened but this was the pattern in. This doctrine of psychological torture that the elop. Through research in the death of the 19 fifties and was codified in the bar Counter Intelligence<\/a> and target and manual. It has 2 basic techniques on which all the rest of the procedure is to run oneness sensory deprivation and the other is selfinflicted pain. The cia trained allied agencies in the techniques so in effect you know knowing about dissemination about if you just send these techniques to other armies could you take an ordinary individual drafted or recruit and make a person become an affective interrogator. And it seems that milgram experiment was likely part of his project. But i learned of incidents such as the destruction of millions of men women and children perpetrated by the nazis in world war 2 i was a possible ask myself that ordinary people will courteous and decent in everyday life can act slowly and you mainly without any limitations of conscience. Under what conditions would a person Obey Authority<\/a> who commanded actions that went against conscience these are exactly the questions that i want to investigate it yeah university. The mower sperma very simply was similar to torture this was one not all the research weve been describing as the impact of interrogation upon the subject. Had another agenda the impact of interrogation upon the interrogator if he were to indicate a wrong answer he would say wrong then tell him the number of balls youre going to get and. Then give him the punishment. And read the correct word pair once he got in the ordinary people who fit by all the regular scales very normal americans and then he subjected them under false color to just doing what he called an educational experiment in trying to encourage people to apply ever higher voltages as a false patient kept on getting making mistakes. But. In fact milgram was able to encourage at least in his 1st experiments i think close to 70 percent to go on to apply highly dangerous and sometimes fatal shocks im not going to get that man thinking that. Hes that. You know what i mean i mean time did i learn it likes it or not we must go on until i dont know all the ive used to take the responsibility and get i written that. We need an. International essential if you continue teaching this to money life here and i mean do you get round you just to money and lives. I mean im going to take responsibility for it and they have is that i dont know im responsible for anything that happens you continue. Next the slow. Dance trap music answer plays. On a 95 mile. Dance. He did this simply with a very simple thing putting the person behind a wall and having a person with a White Lab Coat<\/a> telling them that they needed to continue very ordinary people can be influenced by situations and its one of the implications of both the milgram experiment the zimbardo experiment. The Stanford Prison Experiment<\/a> was i think a unique attempt to answer that question of what makes some people behave in a good way to make some people behave in a bad way and so the idea was. Lets lets find an evil place and present everywhere in the world the evil places and lets feel this evil place was only good people. To get the students and vald i had convinced the Palo Alto Police<\/a> department to make mock a rash of all the students who were going to be president. And then they came down to the basement of the sanford Psychology Department<\/a> the place where the prison study was done. The idea is prison is made to feel inferior in significant worthless the most important thing is you take away the name they become a number and of course given they have smocks it with no underpants theyre behind a showing. The 1st hour in there it was humiliating was also abrupt was quick it was just you know take them off put this on and then i got dusted with baking soda or which was supposed to be easy to delouse or and i was limitless so what zimbardo did was a very cheap dollar cost of. The kind of thing that milgram was doing not only zimbardo. I think you know the guard called john wayne believed that ethics dont matter is the environment is are the sissel and thats not true all life is real life. We needed to get tougher with the prisoners. And it could well be that we were instructed by the experimenters to get tough in fact i dont think we considered ourselves to be a subject of the experiment we were merely a tool of the researchers to get the results they wanted from the real subjects which we thought were the prisoners and i decided to become the nastiest prison guard that i could make myself where i am by their guns oh god i didnt hear it it isnt funny or you want to leave and i. Will get off get off them. And then you again use my magic with. 345. I was responsible for coming up with all these routines that i would put the prisoners through where id have them stand in a line recite their numbers do pushups do jumping jacks. I had never once stopped to think that these prisoners were suffering any harm or any damage were not are not beating anybody were just sort of applying psychological pressure on them come on yet by. Their will. It harmed me i did it. How does it harm just a thing that you know. People can be like and yeah and let me in on some knowledge that ive never experienced 1st hand. Ive read about it ive read a lot about it but ive never experienced it firsthand ive never seen someone turn that way and i know youre a nice guy you know you wouldnt just what would you have. I dont know it might play out spectacularly in the military so the connections would be much further down the road it would be particularly. In the iraq war and in the setting up of get mo and all of that. And by the time you get to 2001 its already this cultural artifact and so it is going to be picked up by. By anyone for any permanent. Kind of people held accountable are not there because they stole the cover. They are not common criminals. Their enemy combatants and terrorists who are being detained for acts of war against our country and that is why different rules faffed place. And i do. The continuity this extraordinary. If you look at a sketch of the cubicle and of the student volunteer at the kill university and then if you look forward to 2002 when the 1st al qaeda suspects are being confined at camp x. Ray a month on im over there and goggles gloves and your monster that look like god just like that 957. 00 sketch. After 911. 00 all of us working at ph our realized that there would very likely be a huge problem of interrogation gone wild meaning torture cruel inhuman and degrading to treatment. The use of extreme isolation with one other remains of techniques that were employed by a fish oils interrogators and so forth literally starting all the way back in 2002 for many many days and that is just unbelievably destructive. And they began confining people on and on they moved to. Having psychologists do interviews with patients as cover and additional flaws individual sources of trauma and security and then they they also discovered because they were dead and with muslims. Muslim males are. Upset by nudity and also by female physical contact and then fear of dont. Race has always played a role in american torture its the american torture techniques are part of the old military punishments and punishments that were used on slaves. And. And you might find that strange but there was one area where slaves were never whipped but you use clean techniques on them so they didnt leave marks and that was if youre going to sell a slave because a slave that had wit marks means that they were not going to obey and so a clean slave was so got a higher price. The cotton industry in the southern delta states of the United States<\/a> depended completely on torture. Over the course of 4 decades human beings by using their bodies as a technological form as a technological machine were able to multiply by 8 times the amount of cotton an individual person could pick in a single day so the use of torture is absolutely tied at the moment from the very canny. 2 to these kinds of cases. Many people in the system. Of the people who are imposing these conditions. Believe that ordinary punishment is too good for these people had a lot of it is about the other disadvantage religiously ethnically. Nationally culturally its easier than it would be to someone from your own community to do that so. In guantanamo. Secretary defense rumsfeld appointed a commander Jeffrey Miller<\/a> whose job it was to extract information and Geoffrey Miller<\/a> made up a cd or staffed it. And in flew to iraq and under the. With the permission of the commander there general sanchez the then comprende training sessions for the interrogators and the stuff at abu ghraib prison where he transmitted the guantanamo and techniques to the abu ghraib stuff basically the restraints were removed and they were told to get results the thing that became so clear is that what the United States<\/a> was doing was not a secret it was hidden in plain sight it wasnt really until the photographs from abu ghraib were released which were just you know the tip of the iceberg of what was actually happening that people in this country began actually talking about it. 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