The city is dead which the fires are spreading at the moment it is expected to quit what we are experiencing is an exponential rise and you cases of the important indicator i see use and the number of patients being treated here again and the last 10 days the numbers have doubled if the. Price of new infections continues the response capacity of on Public Health system will soon be exceeded and we must act to prevent an acute national Public Health emergency. Also coming up they say they are sick and tired of dealing with the coronavirus but never too tired to throw a Party Tonight pandemic fatigue in madrid and the police are on the way. We just rented a place so we could drink and smoke inside just a few of his attests even wear masks but that didnt last long honestly young peoples biggest fear is having to pay a fine thats why the places need to be well insulated so the neighbors sent the police wont detect anything. But to our viewers watching on p. B. S. In the United States and to all of you around the world welcome we begin the day exactly where she feared we would end up a few weeks ago german chancellor Angela Merkel sounded the alarm over the. Troubling rise in new coronavirus cases in the country and she warned not enough was being done to slow the spread and she was right new daily cases are now approaching 20000 here in germany so today with the support of all regional leaders the chancellor and else to partial lockdown for the country for all the bamber merkel said that time is running out to flatten the curve again and that the decisions made today will mean wife or death tomorrow here on the 4th temple that is you with the issue here is that this is a dead which the virus is spreading at the moment it is particularly quick what we are experiencing is an exponential rise in you cases with doubling times that are quicker and quicker today for example we had twice as many infections and this is the case with other important indicators as well for example the important indicator of our i. C. Use and the number of patients being treated in them here again in the last 10 days the numbers have doubled if the speed of the rise of new infections continues the response capacity of our Public Health system was soon be exceeded and this is why it is absolutely clear that we must act and we must act now we do not want to have Health Emergency in this country and to prevent it we must take measures. From the most important tool that we have and ive talked about it again to curb the spread of that im demick is being able to trace the contacts of every new infection and this is a tool that is no longer available to us because the Public Health offices have reached the limits of what they are able to trace we no longer have the control of the spill over the spread of the virus and we must change this and for more now im joined by to be. Cort hes an epidemiologist and director of the institute for Public Health at the sharon tate hospital here in berlin and professor kurt its good to have you on this show let me ask you that the german chancellor she warned the country several weeks ago that we would be in this situation because the measures she said were not strict enough stringent enough to slow the virus and that is indeed what has happened this partial walked right action at the right time i think its the right time its about the right time maybe a little too late to implement these measures as you said and some medical has predicted it as others have predicted this development and were not surprised to see this so right now its the time to really react because if we wait things will get worse and then we cannot do it with a lock on all 3 to 4 weeks to really solve the situation and to reduce the number of infections its not a complete lockdown and its also not going to be a 2 week short period that had been predicted were talking about an entire probably with this partial lockdown is that enough time. I think its well you can argue that 2 weeks would be sufficient but we know that we see the result of a 2 week lock down after another 2 weeks so i think 4 week is the right time because otherwise you would not be sure whether the measure actually worked out think its important to keep schools and Child Support open because thats a very important aspect understand its members are very hard for some people and we all have to support these businesses to to really keep their their function over these 4 weeks and after really to hopefully go out and enjoy them again but if we dont do anything right now we are in a situation where its getting much worse and we see other countries west of germany and also east of germany where the situation is really bad and then you cannot really have a lockdown in place for 4 weeks it would be much much longer the decision to force restaurants to. Do you think is. A wise decision the media is there proof that restaurants are places where the virus is being transmitted. Well its indoor people sitting in door and obviously you cannot wear a mask while youre eating the ventilation situation its also sometimes difficult to understand that it may not be a major force of intention and most of the infections may be happening elsewhere but i think its the only way to really make it make a sort of measure of that that we is accepted i also think its important to have it all over germany and just not regionally so i think unfortunately its right decision to close rest wrong as much as i had it myself how did we get to this point maybe youre familiar distrust the police here in berlin had to break up a party that had 600 people attending despite all of the Restrictions Mean has our behavior made the situation worse. Difficult to say im not a friend of accusing a specific part of the population of have done something wrong i think its a diffusion faction situation where many of the infections this happen at home or like at situations where you dont even expect to get infected so yes we have a partner situation certainly that is that is not a good thing doing on a pandemic to do because he would increase the likelihood of of interaction but overall i think that nothing really went wrong we as a population may not have listened carefully enough and we may have focused too much on on the on a discussion off of that people argue against it and not support the people actually following this measure is in the recommendation since many weeks a month and now were facing this lockdown of we all have to Stay Together otherwise it wont work. Difficult to say is all a question on the vaccination there will certainly be another way for its almost impossible to keep this low and if we have a situation like like now where the hospitals like getting full again with the i see you bad side getting killed again like over 1000 patients we will face another lockdown in the future and in the future hopefully swords and intends and then hopefully we can open up again. To be escorts the director of the institute for Public Health at the surety hospital here in berlin professor quote we appreciate your time and your insights tonight thank you thank you for having me or germany is not alone spain is also dealing with new record high numbers of corona virus infections the number of coded 1000 deaths is at its highest level since may and there are now new lock downs in curfews but not everyone is a big thing the rule she wus young Philip Schulte reports tonight from madrid. Every week and Madrid Police have been knocking on hundreds of doors to shut down illegal parties madrigal meetings of up to 6 people who are not related but police have broken up parties of more than 200 who are keen as a business student in my view that he only wants to speak briefly and anonymously as he regularly goes to such parties he himself recently helped organize one. That we just rented a place so we could drink and smoke inside a few visitors even wore masks but that didnt last long honestly young peoples biggest fear is having to pay a fine thats why this place is need to be well insulated so the neighbors and the police want to take anything that you know not to push on. Keane and his friends seem unfazed by the statistics the 3rd of spaniards become infected with the coronavirus at private parties 200 illegal parties were broken up in madrid last week alone police chief javier fine and this is especially troubled by the new Business Model being developed. Bars that are actually supposed to be closed certainly do take money in exchange for letting people in theres a clear economic incentive for it apart from that we have discovered private homes that were charging entrance fees right at the front door this isnt just about a few Friends Meeting up psychiatrys Diego Figueroa is calling for more empathy with a young people even if you support strictly abiding by the hygiene measures experts are starting to acknowledge the consequences of such drastic restrictions on young people socialites right now we have finding that Young Peoples Mental Health problems have increased dramatically as a result of this springs lockdown and suicide safe increased by 22 percent so far and attempted suicides have even increased by 35 percent on top of that theres been a major increase in the consumption of alcohol in psychoactive drugs young spaniards are now confronted with new rules all bars in madrid must close at 11 pm starting this week and curfew begins at midnight after a year of the pandemic has message that the quality of life of young people all over the world at the same time experts keep emphasizing how dangerous partying can be in the Current Situation spains chief amala just even directly turned to spence you with and asked them to refrain from parties at the moment. Even so business student who are keen doesnt want to be forbidden from partying he says he can decide for himself what risk hes willing to tolerate even if it means partying in private homes until 6 am for the duration of the curfew. Well my next guest tonight is dr John Campbell an independent Health Analyst and one of the u. K. s online authorities on this pandemic dr campbell its good to see you again if you think weve got france going back into lockdown weve got germany going into a partial lockdown weve got parts of the u. K. Vetter now in some form of a lockdown i mean we see we see total impartial lockdowns nationwide we also see localized lockdowns is one more effective than the others. Theres a big debate about this in the u. K. At the moment some people say because the downs are regional in this quite disparate regulations and different people having different regulations in different areas and this causes a lot of confusion in the Scientific Advisory group for emergency is actually calling for a breakout and the rule nationwide temporary lockdown if you like popey 2 weeks maybe 3 weeks to try and get the situation back down to where it was a few weeks ago because the numbers are quite dramatically increasing now in the u. K. Is that the way so then that this scientific question but the political will is not yet then i want to ask you about a new u. K. Study showing that antibodies for the corona virus in people who have been infected dont remain in the body very long maybe one to 3 months does this worry you. It actually doesnt too much this is the reacts today and it is a combined study between the same already the polling people in Imperial College london and theyve actually taken antibody studies from the fingerprint blood test from about 350000 people enormous 20000 of those came back positive so they have a very good sample size to judge by they found out about 30 percent of those people are actually asymptomatic and what they did find over the 3 months of the study from june to september that they antibody the people testing positive for antibody went down from 6 percent to 4. 4 percent which represents about a 26 percent drop off so we see that the antibodies arent lasting for very long but that well that study doesnt do is test for the memory t. Cells because its probably the case that people get people who get more well make more than 2 bodies because the t. Cells havent already aborted the infection so that t. Cells are probably the important thing here and the other reason we think that is really if you think way back in britain to the 2003 saw coronavirus type one pandemic that affected about 8000 people in different parts of the world but it was contained people that developed antibodies and they didnt last very long but people that also developed t. Cells memory to use that was that fight that virus and theyve been tested for this yes 17 years later and theyre still present not only that those sauce coronas group sauce coronas one antibodies will combat and protect people against oz coronavirus to now theres only 8000 people in the world are infected by that so its not a big deal but these memory t. Cells are hanging around for 17 years now we know that the corona virus is the cause the common cold this fall coronaviruses course the common cold the immunity for them doesnt last very long and we can become reinfected within the year but what the founders the sauce coronavirus to the particular proteins the actor the virus the antibodies the fight so ask about. Devise one the particular proteins they effect to the same ones as on sauce coronavirus 2 which had different from the common cold ones so it looks like the sauce coronavirus one is asked to run a virus to fairly similar viruses so i personally expect that sees obvious bonds to be fairly similar and i am optimistic its going to be a long lived response we dont know that for sure yet but i think thats the way the scientists dotting to head what does this does this is a good omen then would we want to talk about the efficacy of a coronavirus vaccine. Is frustrating because a lot of the scientific papers on the vaccines have not been published yet so theres a lot we dont know but just last week the Astra Zeneca Oxford collaboration vaccine did publish an interim report not wasnt Peer Reviewed scientific paper it was more of a commercial publication but they did show that the oxford vaccine the astra zeneca vaccine is effective in people of all age groups equally effective in all age groups which is encouraging because very often the not effective in 0 people they didnt show it raised the 90 body response but importantly it also identified a definite memory t. Cell response in response to that vaccine now how long that loss of course no one knows because we dont know the future it could be that they will spontaneously disappear at the end of the month but thats very unlikely given the evidence we have from sauce coronavirus one from 2003 hour to expect those antibodies after 2 doses of the vaccine to be fairly long lived i am actually quite hopeful about long term immunity you know lets lets hope for that happen before we say goodbye unite we i think we spoke last week for the last about the walk down in wales is the u. K. Closer now to a nationwide lockdown being imposed. If you watch the scientists in the Scientific Advisory group emergencies they say yes it is the politicians are still resisting it there is some evidence that the phased this 3 phases in england this 5 phase in scotland is a lot down in wales so theres all these different approaches but there is evidence from england that this 3 phase lock down is starting to work now the number of cases are going up theyre still increasing but the rate of increase is started to decrease over the past few weeks so in the last week the increase was 7 percent of infections but in the 7 days before that it was 14 percent and of course in september it was 90 to 100 percent so there is some evidence that this is working so i think what the government probably going to do is stick with this 3 phase pattern for now and see what happens and the hope is it will get the audacity to doubt round about work hopefully in 3 or 4 weeks time but we will take the success anyway we can get it at this stage dr John Campbell is always stuck here we appreciate your insights thank you thank you. I wrote the lever record prosperity epic job growth at a safe vaccine that eradicates the virus said quickly ends the pandemic and were making that fire dont turn they dont want to hear it were making that turn this is not political its patriotic wary to match where war period. The u. S. President ial election is now just 6 days away and the pandemic remains issue number one nearly 9000000 people have been diagnosed with corona virus in the u. S. More than 220000 americans have died from coke at 19 hospitals are filling up with some considering rationing care to patients the crisis is getting worse but the trumpet ministration is telling a different story in a new report listing President Trumps achievements in office the administration credits trump with ending the cove did 19 pandemic and you see here the press room these which says from the outset of the curve in 1000 pandemic the administration has taken decisive actions to engage scientists and Health Professionals in academic industry and government to understand to treat and hugo defeat the disease. Well that is a narrative that defies truth and that just 6 days to go into the election joining me now is my colleagues timmys of us going to in our washington d. C. Bureau good evening to you sumi has there been any reaction to the white houses claim that theyve ended this pandemic which is not ending. But as you can imagine theres been a reaction thats been really a mix of bewilderment some frustration even anger particularly among democrats senator Elizabeth Warren who some of our viewers will remember was herself in the running to be a democratic president ial candidate what she tweeted earlier today is this a sick joke the pen to make is getting worse americans are dying and birth that really reflects what many observers see here as a real dissonance between the messaging that we hear from the white house and President Trump who in many rall