Transcripts For DW To The Point 20240712

Proteins goal and. Tongue. Of a. Hello and welcome to to the point it is a question to introduce our guests beginning with about amir use a coffee he is a colleague here on russian desk and he says putin wants to keep the power and make russia great again. And im very glad to have with us alexander our hes a political scientist an analyst specializing on russia and his view as a whole this is change like the fall of the berlin wall in 1989 how explosive it will be remains to be seen and a pleasure to have with us again she is a correspondent at german broadcaster watch on the audio and she says sewing divisions supporting dictators subverting borders russia remains on the wrong side. History. So. Its seems like supporting dictators and subvert subverting borders used to come a bit easier to put in after protests over the rigged election in belarus began he waited weeks to affirm his support for the question co last time armenia and azerbaijan clashed it took russia just 4 days to quell the conflict now it seems to be reluctant to stop the fighting whats going on. I would say. When it comes to. This and if. At the end no question for putin who she wants to support of course its looking cool and he wouldnt allow a bit of a mass protest cant change regime thats what chief us all of the time and there is no way to not supporting the question go of course its possible that she creates a figure like it so quote Opposition Leader and install him in belarus with the help of a gun court t. V. Journalist and so on and fake news and information well thats all possible but its a 1st step. I wouldnt say that he really thought about and dont confirming and not supporting the question of no no idea and sort of members you say russia wants to hold on to putin wants to hold on to power is his power actually at risk certainly his Approval Ratings appear to be quite i dont see any risks for witness power and keep the power is the most normal thing for any british from religion or political in their in their work so their political systems are different by the rich to keep from power is the same were they were a country of the so i dont think back to a christian i dont think and there is corporate installer very appropriate since then go up and down by the norio erm danger of for him last time his poll ratings were declining in 2012 he quickly revived his standings with moves like the annexation of the crimea are we seeing a different strategy now in order birds wings 3000. 00 in to throw for through here which must purchased on the streets of moscow richer or richer there escalate the very professional over by russian authorities and crimea was 2014 through your state or. So i dont think any connection with the river urgings 2011 from or preference to crimea up of 3 years later. Sort of the question simply is a question of whether were seeing a different strategy now well its really how russia is dealing with the conflicts in the neighborhood now that stretches on the same the focus of her russian government is much more real political so the whats and goes russian publics for some reason some for some parts because the clearest shift from domestic issues for economy for medical problems which we have it in context of course on the crisis the russian government is very much busy you know politics syria libya bill are as with many main issues on the global level and not paying much attention to the domestic issue until its anger suresh in public and russian russians inside the country because i dont think the other russian president would be less interested in go politics but probably more interested in the mystic issues. Alexander you know russia well from what ive read you have dined with president putin and youve also consulted for major russian firms like gas problem so you say in your Opening Statement that the Current Situation could bring about change like the fall of the berlin wall what do you mean exactly where is this change going i mean that the world is facing radical dramatic changes and i compare the changes will witness with the changes which we have 30 years ago. I think that there is nobody at all to collapse but the world is moving from one world order from the i would say when you pull our world order which was designed as a liberal world order by the west by the United States and the European Union after the end of communism when moving now to a new stage in World History where the world will be defined by major powers not only by the west but by a very strong china. By a new russia was no strengths but also a more military mind its russia and also a strong Islamic Movement and a force which will witness also from the cells and do you see any change in putins way of dealing with the tensions in the neighborhood compared to how he might have handled it earlier you know i just came back from the valdai club in moscow you could ask him the question. Would he deliver again this speech which he gave to the german stock exactly 20 years ago when he said the cold war is over. Would you do the same speech again i ask him and he said yes but in a softer way and what he confirmed is for him is the nato expansion whats the of the you mother of all the problems which. He faces with the west this is a russian view of course but the same this is a geopolitical fight which the russians have today with the west and with as the russians over nato expansion over values or many things what i wanted to say about the neighborhood i think that putin is not really afraid that the west will take advantage of the changes in kyrgyzstan in armenia as their budget on and below russia away because all those countries are much better and much closer connected with russia than crane was 66 years ago below russia is comically completely dependent on russia kyrgyzstan as well because kyrgyzstan is also a member of the euro Eurasian Club and in azerbaijan and armenia both countries also who gets weapons from russia and. Intertwined with was moscow so you know other very briefly your Opening Statement said russia remains on the wrong side of history what would it take to put it on the right side and is that a mere 14 capable of delivery not what just said makes me think about the past. The situation compared to what we have now if you its like the fall of the war when i think about this former time it was just a few minutes of happiness of hope of of joy and i cant see this in this moment. The other way around i would say no nothing nothing what do we see in the how is she here is the world changes the coronavirus its taking over the life the whole life and you know nothing nothing at all but. To come back to the question. Protein and rational on the right side of history would mean to stop him to feel rinse in france or other countries sawing discord in other countries it too would too to do something with positive energy not just everything was such a negative energy of what i see now and thats what i mean thank you very much let us take a closer look at now at where history is taking us managed to democracy is a term used to describe not only russia system but also those of key neighbors like the us but many people there have had enough. Mass protests have been held for weeks and bellow groups against alleged Election Fraud in the president ial election president bush and co Security Forces have brutally beaten down the protests and he has thrown opposition politicians and demonstrators in jail but the opposition is not giving up hundreds of thousands of bellary sians continue to take to the streets calling for a general strike and demanding that lukash incl step down Opposition Leaders. Have to leave the country for her own safety the fight for our rights for our dignity and im sure that we will succeed so no later russian president putin supports the bellary sea and government but is continuing to hold back as long as location cause power is not truly endangered. Made a difficult situation in belarus the relations with russia have a solid foundation. How far will putin go to maintain stability on russias external borders. Let me whats your thinking in terms about could we see an generational change there or do you think go in the end will prevail perhaps not least thanks to help from put it i would divide between what we hope to see in forth a real her for if we hope to see it as him change our meaning the verse the man in germany or hope there for a change. But im a friend of her and it hasnt changed because theres like minister a couple of months ago last year that mr aboard. The earth by the rest to be either president of france earlier does appear to from the public. Little very very far im afraid of so i think center of our what if anything might prompt putin to actively intervene how close are his relations with the question go close close relations but so we shouldnt forget that. Its not put in puppets hes doing his own policy whenever russia is too strong for him to press to do is press a button in the end here and so what the west in my opinion. Will not survive the next presidency he will go but not today in a couple of years but before that he will change the constitution and we will see you i think some some of the power structure. Power momentums in this country so you know there is putting continues to exercise restraint quit that incentivize opposition in other places kyrgyzstan for example where were already seeing tensions or kazakhstan even do you think we could see further unrest in other parts of the neighborhood i would i would say that this is pants on situation of these countries and of course there is no protein in the root who can stop people going on streets as we saw this or see this and been a ruse and in other countries not everything turns around putin and thats thats very important to know and not to feel just because put you in doesnt like such mass demonstrations such call art over lucians that they shouldnt start it and i wouldnt agree that this is the scenery a lie in this way i think the time of the question is over yes she hears protein the right she is afraid of nothing and excess in his country and this time and. This is not over but you cant stop. People thinking they want to change. And to change isnt done and thats why i am not so pessimistic about the lows that im as you told us that to the grid degree that there is negative Public Opinion in russia about putin it has to do with the perception that hes not doing enough about domestic challenges so does it matter to russians how we handle these tensions and conflicts in the area yes and no yes its mothers because putting her bring her close attention to her approval or it and in there are snowmen is concerned about this approach or that on the run and on the other hand theres no such things like free and democratic elections in russia sort of the populations in the preview the government theres no chance to remove or sort of this government the other branch of government so even a position or that not only she can do what they were here likes on you tube but theres no chance for him to be a part of his their basement of the become a bunch of what it tickle extinguishment and to change the sinks in the country so the british and you can be angry in your government as much as you want but you have no chance to change to change things on the legal way or. Let me take us to another place in the neighborhood namely yeah the enclave of Nagorno Karabakh xander our nato member turkey is now intervening in support of john while russia at least in the past has actually delivered weapons to both sides so whats putin really want there are simple he doesnt want to loose as a by john knows that armenia is basically part of the of russia because it is part of the Eurasian Union thats part of the military union with russia and its dependent on russia but for putin its more beneficial if turkey has its influence on in the caucasus then you have nato bases under american supervision in the caucasus and therefore he doesnt want to lose a budge on to they talk so he now theres not even there is turkey actually looking to challenge russians had him only in the region and do you think it could succeed i think. Yes yes it is possible but i think the. In my opinion seen more important thing is that up. Adam took a present and is so he was for 4 full protein and to cant risk to loose at all on and on its very important to saw discord and to divide nato thats the most important thing and they they both know what they do and they both wont risk they are i wouldnt say kind of cooperation but but they depend on each other and yeah thats why i think there is a certain restraint and off putting and maybe the reason is that looking at the e. U. Has been accused of doing too little to push back against both turkey and. Interestingly enough russia joined forces with france and the u. S. To call for a cease fire is there perhaps even an opening here in regard to nagornokarabakh and the tensions between armenia and azerbaijan for closer cooperation between europe and Russia Research would be this very recent so much im not sure how i think well be developed its. Absurd if they agree with you putting their gun to bring the game or not though its true in my opinion so i have. Not the prognosis in any future developments on this topic how how close can i go to europe and you know im a member of the kind of a. Thank you very much elsewhere cooperation between russia and the west looks further away than ever following the short lived pledge by both sides to reset russian American Relations an array of developments have driven the 2 further apart. Ever since the successful revolution in ukraine the nation has been a thorn in the side of russias president putin in february 24th he annexed the ukrainian peninsula of crimea supported by moscow separatists in Eastern Ukraine also quickly gained ground. In syrias civil war Russian Troops are fighting alongside those of the dictator. After the conflict russia wants to establish a Permanent Military presence in syria this would give russia direct access to the mediterranean and enable it to become a major player in the middle east. Putin also wants to exert influence in the west using k. G. B. Methods for example russia allegedly tried to influence the us elections in 2016 using Cyber Attacks and spreading fake news American Secret Services suspect there is currently a russian descent from ation campaign designed to help trump in the current president ial election. It shows the level of political culture or the absence of such i reiterate we dont interfere. Will putin succeed in destabilizing the west. Alexander in many respects trump with his undermining of trust in that the United States and its democratic system with his criticism of multilateralism of nato in particular has really played into proteins hence would you say that is by accident or by design you will ask me probably who is better for russia by the report and i think both are but for russia i mean for put you for russia. Was biden at least hopes to continue the talks already arment and desire moment. With trump he may create a new world order and this may be a dream in russia and he knows that for trump the big enemy is china and not russia he wants to make deals with russia whether biden clearly said that russia is the biggest threats for the west let me come back to the question posed at the end of that short report said be that it was about whether putin successfully destabilizing the west right now authorities in both the us and europe report significant evidence of russian descent from ation campaigns putins neighborhood may be increasingly explosive as weve talked about but is he nonetheless succeeding quite well in exporting instability to the United States for example i would say yes absolutely he is an expert in this and resort a very short period of time this barassi yeltsin years when information of war didnt play of all but putin revived this and. He uses this as a tool as a very effective tool to meddle in internal affairs to too small to score in not just in our neighbor countries like ukraine like elect germany despite we are a direct neighbor but. In the u. S. And the overall goal i think is to slender democracy itself and thats the very very dangerous thing and its its more important than Everything Else i in my opinion and its. Aunt and they meet together. Trunk out on hootin and beach to dictate us in front of her and thats a really new challenge and to be serious talent bloody mary in view of all of that and in view of the recent attack on alex a nevada the the russian opposition politician should europe be doing more to sanction putins abuses of power and his interference and if so what additional measures would work well received in. Europe and sanctions in russia since for 6 years from now for the ukraine and crimea and Eastern Ukraine earned the question is not if europe should do more but how effective this may honeys mara how much or how much influence the sanctions have on their behavior over russia is it possible to change their russian behavior by sanctions and the answer is not really because we dont fear for any any substantial change in russian behavior on the euro political. Stage as a result of dissension so we can. Discussing science in europe and europe can impose sanctions from 2 more russian fear or 3 more russian citizens but the question is how how effective the sanctions will be. I think that there are some leading german politicians among them former chancellor Gerhard Schroeder have argued in recent years that its time for a german russian reset or those voices growing quieter now after the attack on avanti sure they are nonexistent and you more i think. Of the problems with russia are obvious. With the europe it will say European Union with that same time we shouldnt destroy in my view what has been built between germany and russia for europe for European Security in the past 30 years and in a dramatic way that. This can disappear and i think probably yes the wests will wants to punish russia than punish russia but on the other hand they have so many aspects where we should cooperate in future because we are not in the east west conflict anymore but in the north conflict we need a common view on how to. Talk to fight with the challenges which stands in front of us from the south for europe and for russia sabina other ukraine crimea syria there are enormous financial costs to putins expansive moves could that prove to be a problem for him in the end of us do not russia is rich enough to do this and. Of course it would be much smarter to spend the money in the own country but he doesnt do it and i want to say that i cant agree that we as jewish and russia to the same level destroyed the relationship as alex and i said that not not germanys destroyed sort of a ship not i kind. Of have to say that were just about out of time but let me come quickly back to our title which asked what is. Go and read america fourteens goal was to restore russias position in the world as a Global Player what do you think the history books will write will they say he succeeded might succeed just. Truck enough that was so short as can be so a clear yes to that answer from that era as people and many thanks to all of you for being with us today and thanks to all of you out there for tuning in and see you soon i bought. Up. And. Put. Up a. Collected by children in india. Used on masts by cosmetics companies. My god is a law material thats mined in highly risky conditions. 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