Know is much more fighting back you know its much more vital. Than having a fast parts. Let me tell you one thing when you have a narrow margin or. 5. Little small things can make a difference. Also on the day of joe biden does end up in the white house he wont be taking as Many Democrats with him as he hopes to look at why the blue way turned out to be just a trickle president elect biden has a strong mandate to lead and he will have a strong Democratic House with him and Many Democrats in the senate some of them one a few did not. Welcome to the day we saw with the u. S. Election still on the knife edge counting is continuing in many states with some so close the results could still go either way 3 days after the election were creeping close to knowing whether joe biden or donald trump will be inaugurated in january as clocks tally the remaining ballots when theyre finished they might have to start all over again. On friday state officials in georgia said they expected they would have to carry out a recount georgia judge gardens razor thin advantage the focus for our office for the county Election Officials for now remains on making sure that every legal vote is counted and recorded accurately. As we are closing in on a final count we can begin to look toward our next steps. With a margin thats small there will be a recount in georgia. The news came as biden took the lead in both georgia and pennsylvania another pivotal battleground state bidens lead there is a little more comfortable with that in georgia but its still a tight race. What are you that is for both sides have been facing off outside vote counting sots in philadelphia. Downstate is crucial for both candidates if biden wins pennsylvania he will have enough Electoral College votes to get him to the white house effectively closing the door on trumps reelection chances. Well thats go through some of todays developments with Claire Richardson from data brings us the election well today lets start with last nights 17 minute diatribe from the president a triumph for these baseless claims of corruption and vote rigging and weve seen this sort of performance from a sitting u. S. President casting doubt on his own countrys democracy before you know we havent a fellow hes not in modern american democracy if you remember last time that a sitting president lost to a challenger that was george w. Bush back in 1902 and he made a very gracious concession speech in which he said that his opponent ran a better race and it down it was time to unite behind him for the good of the country cant imagine Something Like that coming out of this race as you say trump is casting doubt on the legitimacy of these elections its both baseless but not surprising right weve seen this all summer especially when it comes to me. Well in votes trump has said time and time again that these falsely said that this could lead to fraud and so his supporters simply havent been using mail in voters as hes asked them and so now as these votes are being tallied in these key swing states theyre looking for a victory and the ones theyre looking at are mail and votes those are going to biden predictably has expressed his frustration over that so this week weve heard state Election Officials say that Trump Supporters had been even harassing poll workers to try to get them to stop counting the votes in certain states and thats led even some republicans to criticize trump for comments for his comments undermining the u. S. Political process because obviously they also believe that every vote counts i have to say phil just there is no evidence of fraud in this election its extremely rare in america but obviously it still can hate and fear and will have repercussions long after this election even so youre a must be good wrench in whichever side youre on to see the figures ok its going really well and analysts sudden vote after vote after vote is going for the other guy lets talk about the other guy he seems to have been much more president ial in his response quite well i mean its easier lets say for them to take the high road in the Biden Campaign because they do appear to be on the cusp of a victory by this he is very optimistic today we heard the speaker of the house nancy pelosi even called biden the president elect we havent heard that kind of language before and she asked the nation to be calm and to be confident to be patient because they really believe that this is going to go their way and in fact theyve been convinced that the vote will go in favor of biden and since wednesday evening we saw joe biden and his running mate come come out and all but claim victory saying they are going to wait for all the votes to be counted as needs to happen in a democratic election but they are just waiting for that moment when they can call it for themselves i believe ok so lets take a look at a couple of the problematic votes joe biden had in pennsylvania a tiny margin putting fractionally ahead in georgia yes georgia is really in a dead. And i have those numbers for you phil biden has pulled ahead by as you say a very narrow margin of just around 1600 votes 1600 yet and they are still counting so now the secretary of state there says that he expects a recount given just how thin that margin is in nevada i mean while bidens lead has decreased to just over 20000 also an interesting state to keep an eye on or really all eyes are on pennsylvania after biden over took trump on the count today the pennsylvania numbers now stand at 96 percent of the vote has been tallied biden is ahead by well over 13000 votes and of the ballots that are remaining to be counted most of those are provisional or military ballots which they expect to lean in favor of the democrats biden does win pennsylvania as 20 electoral votes he will have that magic 270 Electoral College votes that he need and that will be a victory for his campaign so where will the waiting be over yes the question of the moment well it depends on when we hear from nevada and pennsylvania where truly every count every vote counts more than we would normally say it does nevada has said it will be giving an update later tonight philadelphias Election Commission as the final count could take several days we may be left in limbo for longer much longer than we would like to be with biden appearing to be on the cusp of victory through several paths he has said that he is going to be speaking to the nation tonight some people are wondering whether that could be his speech in which he declares victory could come as soon as this evening or perhaps it could be like what we saw on wednesday evening where hes simply saying patients let the vote counters do their thing lets hats off to them for the hard work theyve been doing over these days and we will have a positive result for you soon clear richardson dobies us elections to thank you. Patience as the final votes are counted donald trump. In his 1st appearance since Election Night u. S. President made a series of unsubstantiated claims that hes being robbed of a 2nd term state Election Officials insist theres no evidence of any wrongdoing. 2 days after the polls closed president delivered his latest broadside against the electoral system if you count the legal votes. If you count the illegal. They can try to steal. The election from us if you count. There is no evidence of voting irregularities in the u. S. Because of the coronavirus pandemic many votes were delivered by mail the count ballots are steadily increasing the lead of Democratic Candidates to biden. Seeking to stop the vote count republicans have launched lawsuits in several states once the legal battle to reach the u. S. Supreme court which leaned heavily to the right after he failed 3 of the seats with conservative justices. We think theres going to be a lot of litigation as we have so much evidence so much proof and its going to end up perhaps at the highest court in the lead the president left the podium to a barrage of questions from reporters. Why are you allowed to leave her campaign all about that money found a lot of the known. On the streets Trump Supporters echoed his baseless claims of everything hes done a legitimate leader fairly and truthfully already by days already but theyre just calling it so they can try to steal it more and more of a file that biden took to the stage with a very different message so we have no doubt that when the count is tradition in harrison i will be declared the winners so i ask everyone to stay calm all the people to stay calm the process is working the count is being completed and you will know very soon so thank you all for your patience but for you have to count the votes. Bidens bakos tunde outs in numbers in philadelphia where votes are still being counted because the american democracy is that red and we have an administration who is stated. Both planes that are going to make you know that yourself the next election and train and deal the election and what i believe to be the correct way to. Philadelphia ballots could tip the balance in pennsylvania and deliver the presidency to biden. Its me just a target of extremists please stop the group of armed prove trump conspiracy theorists suspected of planning an attack on the counting center it seems no matter the verdict of the voters the divisions in the country will persist long after the counting is done. Well since everyone else is getting the lawyers involved we thought we would do. The same Michael Moley is a professor of law at the Florida State university is a particular interest in that true election and constitutional welcome today w m have you heard any allegations from republicans about voting fraud that you think stand any chance in the courts and many allegations made but to date there hasnt been evidence to support them and to the extent that lawsuits are brought based on allegations of voter fraud especially given the highly condensed time periods involved in elections courts are going to expect actual proof right lawsuits arent going to get very far just based on a jet generic unsupported claims about voter fraud so today no we dont have reason to we havent seen any evidence giving us reason to believe that there is any sort of widespread systemic fraud going on so its just talk us through the process and presumably you have to wait for a vote to be finished and declared an venue have to say i object because if they send this amended sort of how long does it take to go through the process. Well so theres theres many different types of procedures that that can occur as as the votes are being counted if there is an allegation for example that observers are being excluded that that that state law requires the count to be conducted transparently and that its not then people can go to court immediately while the while the process is going on to say hey you have to let our observers in where if theres an allegation that the count itself is occurring in violation of state law that certain valid ballots are being rejected that invalid ballots are being counted again right you can go seek emergency relief to try to ensure that that initial tally is correct on the other hand after the count is complete then litigants can either raise partys candidates can raise constitutional challenges saying that there is a violation of the u. S. Constitution somehow in in what occurred that thats really whats going on in pennsylvania one of the main arguments that the Trump Campaign has asked for the u. S. Supreme court to hear is whether the Pennsylvania StateSupreme Court has allowed certain votes to be counted even though they arrived too late even though they arrived after the after the statutory deadline if bidens margin is wide enough however if biden is ahead by enough votes then most of these lawsuits will just drop out because the number of ballots at stake in those lawsuits the number of ballots being contested in those lawsuits would be less than the amount of bidens lead. Thats very clear thank you could be turned now to this this mysterious and that college the presumption is that the candidate who wins the state gets all the College Votes 2 states have to follow the will of the voters all could decide to go their own way. So 49 out of 51 states have a system like you described called the winner take all rule where the unit rule where who whichever candidate gets gets the most votes within that state receives all of the states electoral votes 2 states maine and nebraska actually have whats called a district based system where for the president ial electors they get based on their house of representatives delegation each Congressional District will award its electoral vote to whoever won that destroy whoever got the whichever president ial candidate got the greatest number of votes just within that district and then the states 2 extra electoral votes that corresponds to its u. S. Senators go to who won the statewide totals so here if you look at maine and nebraska at least based on current tallies it appears both of those states will will wind up splitting their electoral votes where biden won the statewide tally in maine yet trump looks like hes going to pull ahead in one district there and in nebraska trump won the statewide tally there but bidens going to pull ahead in one district there wow ok so when president when donald Trump Leaves Office whether thats now rainfall yeah is when we say no the last 4 years a whole whole train of people claiming this that and they have against him is event likely once hes out of office to face a whole load of low suits that no one could touch him with because of president ial immunity. Well thats thats thats exactly right for there the Supreme Court has recognized that during a president s term in office the president is immune from not certainly not all civil litigation but there are so there are certain types of suits that cannot be pursued against against a sitting president and so to the extent that certain lawsuits have have either been delayed or have been impossible to bring as as a result of immunity then yes the President Trumpets winds up as what appears to currently be the case winds up losing the election then he could potentially be facing a substantial amount of civil litigation afterwards so given all the shouting and contentiousness of campaign in this election if you as a lawyer found it particularly interesting or is it is it just what you would expect from a contentious from a contentious condit. Well i mean again there to a certain degree you have to separate the political posturing from the legal arguments i mean this election overall has obviously been historically unique we it we had been we conducted it in the midst of a Global Pandemic before even before long before election day there were over 425 state and federal cases around the nation about what the rules governing the electoral process should be so i think one of the most one of the most unique things about the election is just how much in the up in the air what the rules were going to be as we progressed closer and closer to election day you would get court orders changing the rules other court orders suspending those court orders as things were going back and forth and i think to a certain extent a lot of that uncertainty about what the deadlines were how you were able to vote who would be able to vote absentee do you need is 6 signature matches the just all of that uncertainty created an environment where after the fact challenges and after the fact allegations might come across to some people is a little more credible then in the course of an ordinary election thats happening according to the ordinary rules that everybodys been now in for years talking to in fact for joining us professor Michael Wally from Florida State university thank you. So at the moment the president ial election is tilting towards joe biden the result is still 3 days to pay election its an indication that things havent gone as well as democrats had hoped despite a demo Donald Trumps divisiveness a mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic democrats a staring at a reduced majority and the house of representatives and that bit to win the senate looks over their reactions from House Speaker democrat nancy pelosi and republican minority leader kevin mccarthy. President elect biden has a strong mandate to lead and youll have a strong democratic half with him and Many Democrats in the senate one of the reasons we were able to win so many feet was to present the caliber of leadership of our members. Some of them one a few did not all of them excellent as of right now we have 7 g. O. P. Pickups we also have 11 outstanding races that i feel very confident that will continue to grow and when i will likely have an additional 14. 00 to 19. 00 republican women. This will break the record for the most republican women coming in at any one time will double the number that will set a record for the most women ever in the republican party. Lets bring in the democrats activist choudhry welcome to d w so fish nights as they the president ial election this still is in the balance how are you feeling. I mean its were towards the end of this president ial process im feeling like its imminent survived it just going to take a couple of seconds but im also feeling these regrets that youre bringing up in the introduction here which is that it was not a great night for democrats and i would point out not only did they not take the senate and fall back and the house a bit but state legislatures which you know they were targeting 14 of them. These are the places where actually districts are drawn and voting rules are decided if you want to stop these kind of messes from happening it doesnt seem like its going to happen anytime soon so why didnt democrats do better what went wrong. I have to say i feel like it was a lack of clarity in the offer i think people didnt know exactly what it was the democrats are bringing to the table even though they did feel that donald trump is offering extreme