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DW Das Dritte Reich Vor Gericht July 11, 2024

The limited staying at home or the will require people not working essential jobs to stay home from 10 pm to 5 am the oldest dots this saturday and will last until the 21st of december a unique is a fail to end a diplomatic route that is stalling its long term. And the relates of emergency coronavirus stimulus funding. The deadlock involves some 1. 8, trillion euros, poland, and hungary to a mechanism that would allow the use to deny funds to countries that violate democratic norms. Something both countries have been accused of news from berlin. Follow us on twitter and instagram, d, w news, d, w dot com in one of his last acts as u. S. Secretary of state mike pump a. O. Today made history as he became the 1st secretary of state to visit an israeli settlement. Land palestinians say was stolen from them, the symbolism was strong, but was there more in 2 months from peo and his boss, president , trump, will both belong to americas political past. And yet what we witnessed today could have been a rehearsal, but for a future president ial candidate named mike on peo. Or did we just see a repeat performance by a candidate named donald trump . Im pretty often berlin. This is the day for the trip as ministration america stands with his throat like never before. Thanks to president drum and he was right when i was doing the rules. And even if tom pale from mitch mcconnell, Lindsey Graham come here, this land will remain palestinian. These are israeli communities that we are a strange looking at. This is the want israel to this state of israel. We are told that if you are going to Submit Button work, revert to all the steps that they can. But the world also coming up last month, 8000 african migrants arrived on the shores of Spains Canary islands. They had made it to europe, but not the europe. Many had dreamed of it donna has documented, get it, im disappointed with spain and with europe. And this is shameful. A lot of politicians and representatives have come here recently, but we have no clue what the governments strategy is to deal with the migration crisis on the canary islands. And to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States, into all of you around the world. Welcome. We begin the day with the u. S. Secretary of state in the middle east on a mission, but Whose Mission today might pump a did what . None of his predecessors dared or even wanted to do. He stepped foot on to an israeli settlement, land the International Community considers illegally occupied land, palestinians say belongs to them. Like pompei is boss president , trump. Todays visit was provocative and in your face moment for palestinians. Donald trump began his presidency by swearing allegiance to americas pro. Israel policy were precisely the policy of israeli Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu. The palestinians have never been included in any trump negotiations or decisions regarding the middle east. But donald Trump Leaves Office in january, and that leaves little time for more than last minute legacy building. If that was indeed the purpose of pompei a visit, could todays embrace of israel be part of Donald Trumps planned 2024 political resurrection . Or could today have been a casting call for a future u. S. President ial candidate named mike its a 1st for israeli american relations. And a parting gift from americas outgoing top diplomat. Mike pump a was a visit to the Golan Heights, makes him the 1st u. S. Secretary of state to visit the disputed territory. Since israel sees the region in 1967, the United Nations may have rejected the annexation. But for pump a 0 and the Trump Administration, this is israeli land you queue cant stand here and stare out at whats across the border. And tonight i the central thing that President Trump recognized that previous president s had refused to do. This is a part of israel, the center part of israel in another, unprecedented move pump a 0. Made a stop to an israeli settlement in the west bank angering some palestinians who see legitimizes what they view as illegal israeli settlements. The secretary of state had no scheduled meetings with palestinian leaders. Some have called the trip a victory lap of sorts, a chance for the trumpet, ministration to highlight what it sees as its diplomatic success in the region. Including taking steps to legitimize israeli settlements. There for a long time, the state Department Took the wrong view of settlements. It took a few of them, didnt recognize the history of the special place. And instead, now today the United States department of state stand strongly to the recognition that settlements can be done in a way that are lawful and appropriate and proper a stance that puts us at odds with Many International bodies. And that could prove to be a stumbling block for incoming president elect joe biden. And for more, im joined tonight by a respected voice in the geopolitics of the middle east trip arce is an Award Winning author who has written several books on u. S. Foreign policy in the region. Hes also executive Vice President , the quinsy institute for responsible state for it straight. Its good to have you back on the date. Lets look at what mr. Pompei you did today. A visit to the occupied Golan Heights and then a visit to an israeli settlement in the occupied west bank. What was pumping trying to do today . Well, we can only speculate, and i think your reporting has all already suggested that this could very much be part of desire by some peo to boost his own bid for 2024 and maybe to be able to boost trumps 2nd bid. All of those things are valid speculations in my view of what we should not be forgetting though is that weve got is of their intent. This is going to have real and frankly devastating consequences for the region as well as for u. S. Security because you know, these are measures that is locking in the United States in a posture in the middle east. That makes it increasingly stop and increasingly complicit in the illegal activities of some of its allies. And this is alternately bad for the region and ultimately about for the United States as well. Regardless of the intent or the political motivation of what you say to listen to what the secretary of state said today about iran. Indeed they can have a weve made their own clear commitment weve made to the jewish state, will continue. It was, im confident after our conversation this morning, we talked about how we can protect americans and israelis in the region from the regime in tehran. You talked about this, they remain, we should not take for granted. They remain the foremost that sponsor terrorism in all the world. And israels provided outstanding support to our pressure campaign, which we have no intention of relaxing. So trying to help us pump a message square with president elect joe bidens intention to try to revive the Iran Nuclear Deal. Well come, pay was doing absolutely everything he can to make sure that by then his options are as limited as possible and that it does not lead to him being able to return to the way or in other any other measure. And i think this is really critical, this is also what he is trying to do when it comes to moving the embassy to jerusalem. Recognizing these settlements, making these visits because theyre counting on the idea that biden simply does not have enough political courage to reverse some of these policies. Policies that he himself deem to be devastating for u. S. National security, but that he doesnt have what it takes to make sure that theres a push back against that. Unfortunately by calculation may be proved true because when we take a look at whats been happening on the u. S. Israel front and the treatment of settlements, there has been a gradual acceptance of illegal settlements at something that the u. S. At 1st objected to later on. Viewed as an obstacle to peace later on became more neutral towards to what we have right now. A complete embrace of illegal settlements and violation of International Law. And i think in some ways, from peo, it and trump in the stray, she may have gone too far to me have pushed it so far that biden may have no choice to but really push back, even though he will like you pay a political price for doing so, what would you think its possible that joe biden could stay the course when it comes to accept the israeli settlements. But really trying to do a 180 with the policy on the Iran Nuclear Deal and try to revive that deal. Could. I mean, could he have both of these things happening at the same time . He could end up like you whats going to happen because the political cost of reversing the policies on israel are going to be hired and trying to go back into the nuclear deal. I mean, we should not forget that democratic platform explicitly says that a democratic president should be going back into the nuclear deal and beyond that also negotiate further having additionally, goshi actions with iraq. There is no such language in terms of settlements, for instance. So i think the political price will be lower on the iranian front. But i think whats really important to keep in mind here is that democratic president s, all too often have ended up accepting the limitations and the framework that previous republican president s have imposed on them. We saw that as well when he came to the Obama Administration that would a lot of the legacies of the bush administration. And the question is, is there enough political will to really actually have to do that. And biden, define his framework himself and define whatever limitations he has himself, instead of letting him be defined by a president , trump, or secretary of on feel. You know, apropos definition in defining pump a, you attempted to expand the definition of antisemitism today. Take a listen to what he said. Today, i want to make one it out with respect to a decision by the state department that we will regard the global any israel b. D. S. Campaign is anti sematic. Another some simple to you, mr. President. Youre seeing this. It seems like a statement of fact, but i want, you know, that we will immediately take steps to identify organizations that engage in hateful b. D. s. Gondor can withdraw our u. S. Government support. Now judy, hes also talking about people who want to boycott israel. Not necessarily because theyre entice semites, but hes saying he wants to consider them as incisive minds. Is that going to have any legal leg to stand on in the United States . Its likely going to be challenged by a. C. L. U. And a lot of other were going to zation this because this is a freedom of speech issue. I mean, on the one hand pump you know, is imposing crippling sanctions on iran have been devastating for ordinary people, limited their access to medicine in the midst of a pandemic. And on the other hand, hes trying to say that even if individuals on their own voluntary basis decide that they dont want to buy oranges from israel, then that suddenly because it turns a mans antisemite. So theres going to be massive legal challenges to this. Im confident what i think more than anything this shows is that you are now at an administration that is just an ingredient to whatever Bibi Netanyahu is telling them that they should be doing. Because this is just a wish list of everything Bibi Netanyahu has ever wanted. And i think theres very few people anywhere. The truly believe that netanyahu is objective, has been peace. And if the United States then is aligning itself or whatever netanyahu wants, and its not wanting peace. Well, that creates a major problem for the United States and the region. Its already been bad enough as it is, but its going to get even worse going forward. I suspect, well, could this be a tramp that the pump a, or the Trump Administration is laying for democrats that are about to take power because they can say the end. If youre boycotting israel the, youre an antisemite and thats going to play well with evangelical christians, for example, in the United States. Absolutely, i mean, part of the plan here is very much to try to make sure that republicans are seen as the pro israel party in the United States. And netanyahu has long given up on the idea that his closest allies in the United States would be the American Jewish community. The American Jewish committee overwhelmingly votes for democrats. They are overwhelmingly opposed to dollar trump. Theyre overwhelmingly in support of the Iran Nuclear Deal. And theyre very, very skeptical if not opposed to settlements. So those are not his allies. His allies are m. N. Jellicoe christians who actually have a theological affinity with israel. One that is somewhat strange at the end of the day because they envision that israel needs to get strong in order for christ to return. But at that moment, anyone who is not a christian or does not converting to christianity will be killed. But that is actually a very strong motivating factor for people i can feel who is embedded jellicoe and has been talking about these things quite a lot, at least prior to becoming secretary of state. So let me just ask you more time. What do you think then weve so happening today was this early campaigning by a pump a 0 for president in 2024 or was he doing Campaign Work for trumps flight to return to the white house in 2024 . I suspect this has more to do with himself than with trump. I think this has very much to do with the fact that he wants to be the contender for the republican nomination in 2024. He has always had an eye on it, and his main competitors are going to be people like nikki haley and others who also have a tendency of aligning themselves with netanyahu. So i think this is an effort by him to give himself a leg up to be that he doth competition that devastation for us. Naseer security and the region as a whole is not even a 2nd concern. I dont think its a concern at all. Unfortunately, true. The Party Executive Vice President the quince, used to tutor responsible state craft for his always good talking with you. We appreciate your insights. Thank you. Well this week the Palestinian Authority said it will resume its Security Cooperation with israel. And that cooperation ended 6 months ago in protest against israels plans to annex large parts of the west Bank Palestinians say settlements would undermine any possibility of establishing a palestinian state. Israel claims historical and religious rights to the west bank as the ancestral land of the jewish people. Some say the palestinian decision to resume Security Cooperation with israel is in part a response to joe bidens election victory in the u. S. All right, let me pull in now across baker. He is a palestinian analyst based here in berlin. He is a former Communications Advisor to the palestinian minister for jerusalem of thiers arguments. Good to see you again pump a met with no palestinians today. And he said, israel has shown how israeli settlements can be done. Legally your take i pick sides to speak with you again. But i was not acting like a secretary of state populace acting like a pompous jackass who staggered to fix tree, right . Wave of the republican party. Hes breaking every norm rule. Every regulation of International Law and meeting with it go into it is really sort of what this, matt is. All of these taken seriously is that hes dangerous, but his thoughts are so are so off the cuff wrong, that no one in the mainstream will accept it. Let me ask you about what the palestinians are thinking. The decision to revive cooperation with the israelis is that because they have high hopes in president joe bidens middle east policies and his israel policy. I mean we have, we have to look at this from 2 things. 1st of all the Palestinian Authority of Mahmoud Abbas is a spent force does not have any religion of a city more, not among the palestinian people, the only power to have has to somehow pay salaries to the people. The fastest joe biden was elected president of the United States to for great reason, feel part of the progressive wing of the party. And id like to give a shout out to stay in favor of what she did in georgia. And the interesting thing is that for the 1st time, these progressives are not afraid to work for u. S. National interest. And that means challenging the israel, the right to israel to occupy palestine. And they have proven that this is not all the luck map electoral suicide. That they have one be able to say we are no longer supporting the israeli occupation, we can set forth and then continue to get elected. Unfortunately, the Palestinian Authority is as i suspect, force the p. L. O. Or some joint think among the palestinian people. And thats why i think it needs to move towards a completely against the Security Cooperation. I find it useless, joe biden, who you should be joining when he wants to talk with the palestinians. First of all, i mean what joe biden can do, theres quite a few things that joe biden could make very easy, very great changes, which he can do, which wi

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