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DW The July 3, 2024

Coming up to exit us from the desert, one bath 1000 joint long lines to leave. As the organizers of the burning man festival in nevada finally opened the only road out ahead of the basic time. What i want to do it again for another 3 or 4 days to say, where is the last 3 for this . Never. But uh, were not in the trenches in the ukraine. Were not in in the refuge account. We are, were playing a game together and do the walk into the show. You can choose your neighbors, so you better live with them in peace and harmony. The russian saying sounds awfully cynical in line to plunder where food is war of aggression. Honest neighbor, ukraine. There are some neighbors increasingly isolated russian leader does seem to be seeking peace and harmony with or at least arms deals. U. S. Officials saying north Korean Leader kim jong will soon travel to russia to meet with fulton at the top of the agenda. A potential deal to supply russia with munition for the war and ukraine. The white house has already warned that north korea will pay a price if it supplies russia with weapons. North koreas military mines on full display celebration in july marking ended the korean war. Russian defense minister, so it gave show you sort of side by side with the north korean president , the parade, and the capital p on yang made a big show of north koreas expanding new killer program. But what russia needs is most simple ammunition, notably artillery shells and anti tank missiles, as many as they can get. You officials estimate that russia has fired at around 50000. 00 salary shells per day since invading ukraine. International sanctions have limited most of those options to replenish its supply. And so it appears to have turned to north korea, shown yang, hold significant quantities of immunization. So analysts are unsure about the quality of its stuck piles. But north korea can also offer role materials, particularly, or which rustic can use to ramp up its own production of shells. Another question for you cranes. Western allies is what russia might give in exchange. In the immediate term, food is a top priority for people in yang years of cove and lock downs and strangling sanctions. Have left many north koreans. On the brink of famine, of south korea suspects russia has offered to hold the joint naval drills with china and north korea. A mirror to the annual exercises held between south korea and the United States. But many also see a russia may offer advanced technologies that could be used to the young youngs new caleb program, a prospect that would violate over a dozen un sanctions. Danielle salisbury is an associated fellow at the Royal United Services institute in the you can joins me now from oregon in the us. Mr. Sales for youre welcome to the day homework thing is this tightening alliance to you . I mean, its obviously very concerning concerning for multiple perspective. So obviously 2 settings for the war and ukraine and rushes procurement of what is to fuel level and also from the perspective of north korea, sections and, and the nonproliferation regime. But lets pick that some part. What exactly is put and hoping to get from north korea here. Soon as i understand the pretend is mostly shopping for the webinar here, its a few of the war. Obviously the war is, is stretching the Russian Defense industry and rushes to stop miles to the limit. And also its just probably looking to maintain significant stop all is well for other contingencies. And so its turning to uh to are kind of increasing a section upon us that they can rely on folks with technology here. But this wouldnt be the 1st time north korea sold arms to be used against ukraine. What are not as nice. So we have already seen the sales of the bottles of rocket some battlefield miss. I was to the crew to the Russian Private military organization. I think weve also seen some sales or all homes of artillery shells, because we recently saw evidence that the ukranian military forces and catches of these on the battlefield. Russia is in a rather desperate position here, so can young only has a lot of leverage. What is he going to ask for and return . Well, he usually has the most career and the regime have means. And this can be things that are as simple as, as a oil of food and fertilizer, but also turn logical needs. Im, so i please. So there is a risk that russia may assist those career resolve. Its a arms i possibly w m d programs as well. So you say uh, controlling, and well be looking for what technology in return for, for his, his technology that hes, hes wanting to supply it. We have to bear in mind that russia is a member of the un Security Council. And in moscow has back to infectious targeting for us Koreas Nuclear program for years. They couldnt this system now stopping the regime from developing and trading weapons of mass destruction now collapse. Uh yeah. So it is very concerning. Um, i think since this 2017, we havent seen any new sanctions put in place to, to your own Security Council and we havent actually seen any entities added to the sanctions. Lets see. The says the sanction system has kind of been on large support for a while, but i think you, for us, it was to me from being honest the, the kind of alongside china was, was trying to use the receptionist to be in our practice. We learned this whole process, you know, thats a real stop change and, and its always kind of bringing into question the future of human sections more broadly. The us has made information about this needing public to dissuade north korea from engaging more closely with russia. Do you think this plan is likely to succeed high . I wouldnt be surprised if the mason goes ahead and that are awesome deals either made or seal that amazing. Whether we do here. Uh, what does deals are as in the awesome, you know, i, i think its 5 as a do you watch me involve arms and essentially sang some preaching business. I might be kept secret on my feet down to the west intelligence agencies who can serve you well, not doing what i say. I dont really think as much to the, the us, the lesson dollars can do at this point. So if it is to find common ground, there is no way of stopping this, this strength and the lions from going forward. You say, i mean, i think one of the, one of the challenging parts of this as well as the shared line border when she couldnt carry, move across all kinds of goods where theres new technology or things like, uh the, the few other fertilize or whatever is traded in real time because of the shuttle on board and has very Little People to do. Its going to take some issue and so on that kind of thing. Um so so yeah, i would say theres probably not much that we can do apart from uh watch in line at this point. That is a bleak outlook. Messer sales very thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Here by says it has uncovered a trafficking ring recruiting people to find for russia and ukraine. The government of nevada believes nationals living, and russia as well as back home are being signed up under false pretences, cuba as a close ally of russia. But after the allegations became known to Foreign Ministry, felt compelled to stress it is not involved in the war and ukraine. It added that authorities are working to dismantle the network. And the statements by the Foreign Ministry was read out on cuba, national television, and i believe we have that statement for you. Lets see if we can bring it up a 10 minute video, the video to that adult, the ministry of the interior detected and is working to neutralize. Im this month old people, the human traffic and networks that operates from russia to incorporate cuban citizens living the and even some from cuba, into the military forces participation the military operations in ukraine, but ill soon hispanic us, it will put on you attempts of this nature be neutralized thing, criminal proceedings are being initiated against people involved in these activities looking for the of us. And if thats like the we dollars. Thats big. Now dr. Lewis bice one who is a professor of sociology at palm beach state college. And florida in the us is also the co president of the Palm Beach Center for democracy in policy research. And he wrote the book of latin america in the post chavez, the era of the Security Threat to the United States. Dr. Flushing. Welcome to the day in cuba and russia, have historically been allies. Why one . Havana air is grievances, so publicly by the i think a, this is my view. Of course i might use that. I wanna ease trying to do the c. I would say, because i find how to believe that there would be uh, a Package Network that was open a door to good to go work. You went soldiers without the knowledge of the cuban government. So i believe thats right now what they have trying to go east to receive, to basically make believe that they are not support. Thats a possibility. All right, so what youre saying is that cuba is actively sending human nationals to russia or, or how can we interpret what youre saying . Well, according to prisoners defense, which itself yeah, group of human excise leaving by the use the cuban government, easy board. I wouldnt be surprised because there is an entire thread the showing where to the given government act. What do you, sanchez, to fight in different places in after the guy you know, going back even in the city during the york and fort worth. But that was many decades ago, but it doesnt matter the separate issue. And also it was many big gates that go with the cuban restaurant when i went into cornwall. And now the scenario returns. And the scenario that there must be precisely because of both these parties. All right, so youre leaning on history like what, what real evidence is there for that . What is really interesting because the things here hes a, you know, hes very, very, to be because of what the, what the basically formation you get there is no, itd be this one way. You wont be out of it. I am, i suppose you all know geez, associate. So you know, just i speak to relate that few of us. I so they should be going on the guys, these cannot be held by anybody else except russia. And on the other hand, even the conflict thing. Okay. Im giving them, given the new competition, i can say that exist between russia and the United States. Russia go the bills, auto both resorted to many communities. And you guys definitely, and im ready to go to any one of these, these every team and that the easy, i bet aside, your situation the where the United States. Yes. But the United States are watching cuba as well as russia quite close. The dont you think that Us Intelligence wouldve picked up on have an outstanding cuban soldiers to fight and ukraine. Thats supposed to be the b 5 may or may not, you know, not, not be able to think we know that from 911 and added examples that the, the, you know, the a, thank you a Security Services and dont be given anything. Okay. And dont get be able to think about it on the face or basically a big thing that takes everything. All right. I think the, im very much in the speculation here. But i want to look at the Bigger Picture with, you know, um, how has this more transformed russias role in latin america . Well, the 1st, the, for the most part with these war, i think as natal expanded in eastern europe, christ shop. So to expand the like, you know, maybe got taking advantage of the fact that there were new regina that way that when you speak to the United States, many so a lot me got out of why or the right. And so these been continues, seems barely, i would say seems barely 2000 seems i think always seems 2000 and then me. So it is not the 1st time that the brush up, it shows these black, you know, maybe can countries but now more than ever, even they want, you know, be, yeah. And is it just anti american sentiment that, that unites these countries though, because that is, that is not really a stable basis for, for meaningful cooperation. Is it, you know, i think of these, uh, im gonna get rid of things these categories. I mean these redeem side of the revolution already and on many aspects. But one of the elements that got expedited is on these redeems east. Precisely the needs of the United States, these last week, the or the social or the state, the that the, the make, this page has exploited like, you know, many times down to these throughout the they gave me draw the yes, i am 5, we have not seen these only among the think or she seemed like, you know, maybe got start just me got are when really sway not in cuba, but also a im on a country such as but as even the pin. Okay. But the fax number for the joining breaks. Let me jump in there because i, i do want to get back to the war in ukraine. A number of countries in latin america have been reluctant to condemn russias invasion of ukraine. Now, anti american sentiment assigned that as an invasion of an, you know, a sovereign country. Um, are they really on russia side here . In my view, they yeah, they, yeah, they claim new bradley d id and the k, you know like but as the 40 is that they claim that they want to be mediate the switching fees. But the, yeah, the base that if you look at the one that ive seen about these chords, itd be clear that he definitely seemed like very sweet. Ok, have you 5, he for did say lensky. Im he for, they may go for these war even though they have very strong came from russia. So in my opinion, yes, the site with restaurant even though they dont acknowledge that they wouldnt recommend that they wouldnt back knowledge that. But i think in my opinion, they do site with flash, i guess. Right, that was those flash one of the palm beach state college. Many thanks. I slokum the burning man festival in nevada is often described as a once in a lifetime experience. And this years edition certainly was unlike any other before. After the deserts turned into a sea of mud, organizers have now reopened the only road leading out of the site, allowing stranded revellers to head home. Earlier, heavy rains had converted the desert grounds into a monday, beth leaving 70000 burners as they call themselves to make the best of terrible conditions. The exodus was long and tedious as thousands of vehicles sneak their way along this 8 kilometer stretch. Desperate to get out of the northern nevada desert and onto the nearest highway. A summer storm had left them stranded heavy rains to turn the ground at the annual Counter Culture celebration into a sea of mud happens opened up on friday. The rain tore down installations, leading organizers to cancel events, and institute a driving bad as a safety precaution. When the rain came down, well just kind of went back to our tense and hung out with each other and waited until it stops. It was incredibly muddy. We had to a lot of us put bags over our shoes or take them over our feet in order to protect our feet or shoes. But overall, it wasnt bad, nothing bad happened. It was just money. The tired revellers carrying mud covered bags at the nearest airport in reno, offered mixed feelings about this years event i had under basic time. Would i want to do it again for another 3 or 4 days to say, where is the last 3 for this . Never. But uh, were not in the trenches in the ukraine. Were not in in the refuge account. We are, were playing a game together in the desperate i wish that there was a little bit more communication in terms of events like this. You, especially for those of us who come knowing we cant get refunds. And just knowing that we spent a lot of time and money to get out here. The annual burning man celebration attracts tens of thousands of musicians. Artists, an activist, every year. Community and Self Reliance are among the Core Principles of the annual gathering values which were very much put to the test at this years event day protocol. Is that the festival and he enjoys this now from austin, texas to share his experience today. You were one of tens of thousands stuck in the mud. When did you realize that you were not going to be able to leave as well . It was a, it was a really great experience. I think we realized when start like the bicycle stopped moving in the mud and as people were trying to make their way back to the camp, they would get stuck and then the rain started much quicker and faster and we realized something was probably going to be changing very soon and how did people deal with being trapped in the desert . And was there ever a sense of anxiety or, you know, maybe even panic . Absolutely. There people, initial thoughts were on my gosh, how are we gonna get home . Is the man going to burn . Are we going to have as much fun as possible . But i think once people started realizing that resistance was few tile, uh your anxiety and everything went away. And once we came to a moment of acceptance, youre able to really actually enjoy the festival much, much more that had not happened. But can you paint a picture, maybe for the people that do not know, burning man and how it functions where youre not scared about running out of supplies before being able to leave, being stuck in the middle of a desert as well. That was actually a very real idea because you have to bring in everything with you. Luckily, most people they plan for a few days extra than what theyre going to stay there for. And at the time there was a lot of in misinformation we werent sure if with the 3 or. Busy a day we werent sure if it was going to be a week. But luckily everyone banded together and just started sharing, whatever extra things i had for people that who maybe didnt have enough water or doesnt have enough food. And you know, so were able to share, weve got the resources that we had, especially we had a lot of beer. And as soon as we started passing that out, everyones started really lightning and it became like a lot better. All right. How did you eventually get out because you managed to mean quote unquote escape on sunday. I guess this is where you come in and leave your shoes. Yeah, so what happened was, once we realized zip low and chris rock were able to hide out to the road. We decided that, you know, what we can do is to and there was a couple of camp maids, a couple of neighbors. I really need to get out, so we put a garbage bags on our feet and we just started fudging away. Luckily, before long as we were picked up by some of the cars and our views, our already kind of on the outskirts of the plan. So they werent really stu

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