Is our goal is to completely eradicate from us as capabilities. And we, we use every mean thats our disposal. To accomplish that, stop the bombs and save lives. Also coming up the war in ukraine had the worlds attention until the her mazda attack on israel forest. A re focus is russia. Seizing an opportunity. Tonight, we look at the battle for a beef. I do agree plenty of Ukrainian Army has well defended positions fits troops, and its telling me thats why it wont be able to inflict such a serious loss is on the Russian Forces. Which of our viewers watching on tv as in the United States and to all of you around the world . Welcome. We begin the day with the 9 time rehearsal for an invasion. Last night is rarely tanks rolled into the gaza strip and then rolled back out the military calling to brief incursion, a preparation for the next stage of fighting. It came just hours after his really prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu told the nation that a Ground Invasion remains likely. He did not give any clues about when that invasion might begin. So when the sun rose over garza thursday, so did is really rockets the bombardment of gauze that continuing on this the 20th day of this work since october 7th, where the 8000 people in israel and, and gaza have died making this the deadly yes of the 5 gauze of wars for both sides and the war. It has dominated meetings this week at the united nations, the un security council, and the human General Assembly transformed into battlefields of words and ideas. This we can seen heated exchanges over efforts to hold the fighting in the gaza strip. Israel is demanding the resignation of you in chief antonio gutierrez, accusing him of remarks and justifying terror attacks by how mos on wednesday. Gutierrez said he was shocked at the misinterpretations of his words. And today, at the General Assembly, the middle east and its deep divisions. They were on show yet again, calling for the past 16 years, the International Community and the un has been complacent to how much of darrow build up in guys, a complacent, the world has kept its head in the sand, does come us imbedded, its me sides and rock, its deep, weve in, under the civilian population of guys a can this would be defended. These are crimes. This is barbaras and if you do, if you do not stop it for all those who can stop it for all those whose lives weekends didnt save my 1st guest tonight is a man who helped bring israelis and palestinians as close to peace. As any one, yoshi violent is considered the architect of the 1994 also accords between israel and the palestinian liberation organization. He served as minister of justice and religious affairs under prime minister, a whod brock it since that. And he has remained committed to a path to peace just last year. He supported a proposal for an Israeli Palestinian confederation, an idea that seemingly fell on deaf. Yours mister biling, its good to have you with this to night. This week were having me. When you look at what happened at the, the, you, when this week when the un secretary general said that the october 7th attack did not happen in a vacuum. That prompted is real as even ambassador to demand that the secretary general resign. What did you think when that happened, of all the issues a, somebody who supports is ryan, who believes in these rand, well believe seeing base. What was shocked by what he will, but what hes so in the region and a regret 40, he was rejected. And when he asked that to visit is a few days ago, i dont know why these rarely government decided to do Something Like that. He made a huge mistake by saying that a that, that, that they, they crazy crazy eyes. These kind of adapt against a babies and, and we mentioned in the old way people a, oh well, its not in a vacuum because it was not the situation that in which the people i was saying we would like to was piece with use. What we would like to a divide delay and we would like to leave the beast and it is impossible because valley unemployed and and because the res wally in dialect room, they had to do stuff. You know, this is the situation that perhaps, well the suggestion of the 1st thing, the father of the but his opinion is against easy way in 87. What happened is something which is totally crazy. It is not the region anywhere. And rather than totally rejecting the, he gave the impression, although he did not say that he, he understood what the, how much they did. But if it was nothing ivank you, then youll give some kind of legitimacy that he meant that he would, it would resign. Is a big mistake of this way, e. I dont think that they, he deserves that says such a an update to the easy way to with him. Let me ask you this week on wednesday in the times, it is real, the is really right or youll see klein of the holiday, the wrote to blame the occupation and its consequences wholly on israel is to dismiss the history of his really peace offers in palestinian rejection, or has the world forgotten what you and others achieved with the oslo accords in 1994 . Youll, you know, such a question to which the answer is, is because if hes going to be asked and should be as visa v, the piano, the being always oh above now. And we have absent downs with the piano. How much is something is how much doesnt want anything from us. They dont want to to divide the land. They dont want to have peace, which is right. And this is why it was a mistake to allow some us to rodney the elections of 2006 and to remain in the lead the she of guys, the despite of all day they violent, then count those that we have with the we had with each other, but the point is that these really right . So how much is it bit the into look at the old label, then the bill because the been all want this is wants to divide the land. This is the major issue between us and them. And rather than understanding that this was also the interest is way they refilled and need to look at the well didnt want anything from us, but the 3 will to disappear. This by the, i want to, i want to come back to a mazda just a 2nd, but i want to stick with history for a moment. The the oslo accords. They did not mention the establishment of a palestinian state. Was that a mistake . Is that something you regret now . A this was a request of the police thing is they say we dont want to mention the but his thing and state is one of the issues that should be sold to with the permanent agreement. There were 5 issues like both of those where if you get jerusalem and not the point of being a state, and they explained the because they said this is ella rifles, the nation. And we dont need to from, youll need to go see asians of the principal of the police being a state. So because know that these words said no way we, we should talk about that. But as being said, i mean are the negotiate. Does knew that to be about talking about the a. Busy of thinking about that, but the thing is that there is no other solution without the going to it to have a club. I mean, it is the best. It does not mention because they said that they didnt want to to discuss if they didnt want to negotiate it because they werent the best was there right . This is the reason so that there is the question is whether it was possible to get a 93. 00 permanent agreement rather than an interim agreement or 5 years. And when i understood that we had positives in also they being oh, a people will people with whom i believe because strike could be i went to a rep being to the problem and its been a since we missed department is the i believe that we should not, well, we should note it tried to have a 50 agreement right now. There is in the book you only do which may be a very rail to go for the building at the agreement. So that the extremist on both sides, we not have a bill for unity to afloat oh, well efforts. He explained that issue, he referred to go along the madrid conference guidelines, the american guidelines, and often entering the group 5 use it rather than getting data directly to a permanent agreement which may not succeed. The negotiations may not succeed for permanent agreement. And they, i believe that this was a very big mistake. Miss brown, let me bring it up now to the present in an interview last month about 3 weeks before the october 7th, the tax. You gave an interview to the spanish newspaper l parties, and you were quoted as saying the palestinians tragically had become resigned to their limited options. And this disappointment feels the divide between a boss and thought would. Would you say that today considering this global course of support that we are seeing now for the palestinians, and godson as well, is this, the support is, is very popular, not take, you know, pay the people who out to the piano, the biggest and they me so from us, how much just you know, through them from the roof of guys uh in 2007 when they 2 guys up by falls. If it, i mean, even now, when we are trying to think about what would be in the morning after the end of the well, who should through the guys, if hes with succeeds to prevent the how much for continuing control guys. Then the piano is not in a hurry to get the bill to, to get back to, to a guys that a, because of the, i mean mostly the to well, its them. So even when you hear that thing, joe, then i mean other places people are saying, oh oh oh, comparing what they, how much viewed on that black set to they a few weeks ago and, and they and what usually is recreation . Does you know that, you know, the people who hold their motivations . You know that how much is an estimate of, of many, many forces in the middle east . Well, would like to see, is way this does seem to them from governing. They get the guys a streak that theyd k delta deal public opinion, and this is a problem year you said before the october 7th attacks that the jewish settlements in the west bank, well one of the biggest obstacles to piece the current government, the one that was in place before october solve it, it was the 1st ever it is real to make an ex agent of the west bank. A stated objective and its coalition agreement. I mean, there had to really sting for someone like you or why i, i believe that the current government does is very laid by and it done, you know, is a big obstacle for peace bite sense and the, encouraging a moles that domains all housing you need seem to go inside limits is a, is a very, very big a obstacle. Yeah. And one of the ideas that they, i suggested it but not, not only meaning, it is a group of bodies genius and hes rarely the police being and group is led by the wto. He has any history, as, as you mentioned before, a configuration that holy land configuration of east wetland, by this time in the future, which we allow all those settlers who will find themselves in the body seeing in states once we draw a boulder between easily and by this time to remain there in, in a body style is a residence, a will say palestine and they seek is dental fees. Right. Right. The same number of bodies, genuine citizens who would like to even use way. And wed be allowed to do that as feldman in a residence. So then you can really a take off the table or the issue of evacuating hundreds of thousands of they offered a set list. And if, if they just removed, i believe that the way for an agreement will be open. And since sometimes in history or many times in his history, the f thoughtful piece will accelerated as a result of what you hold that this very said situation. When we see, i will say its now fighting in guys the end of goal civilians, a heed and southwell, and, and paid the prize. Even if we are telling them in advance, youll have to leave their homes even. There is no such a big a or positive a to a now cement full of them. I believe that it might deal with the current situation. The current tragic situation may be an acceleration towards peace. If we all wise enough to use these up up to anything, but that is a positive way to end our segment, mr. By then. Unfortunately, were out of time, but we certainly appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with us tonight. Mr. Youll see violent. Thank you. Thank you very much. While the middle east conflict has diverted the worlds attention away from the board in ukraine, russia has been trying to seize the moment. Its been stepping up. Its a salt in the east of the country. One of the main areas that russia has been trying to capture is the ukranian town of deep cube has been reporting heavy fighting there in the past few weeks. It says that despite the heavy losses, russia continues with its attempts to take the town. Lets take a closer look now the situation on the front line and what seems to be one of the most contested points in the conflict right now. This is after youve got ukrainian control city, just 10 kilometers from 28th of the month. Some of the defensive Russian Forces going all out against ukrainian positions. Here, the fighting is most intense. But ukraine is at the time to prepare, developing and reinforcing its defenses since rushing back to purchase, to cover nearby, to net back in 2014 in russia is now coming up against the very same problems that the ukrainians did during that summer. Offensive to peoples 80. Lucy, acute creep when you Ukrainian Army has well defended positions french troops. And its telling me thats why it will be not able to inflict such a serious loss is on the Russian Forces and prevent them from advancing about offer, give capital speed, the pool of do you get lucys can risk on your credit. Your forces can direct out to the re, strikes from the safety of deep underground positions and oversee everything with the help of drones. When russian soldiers leave their own vehicles, ukrainians control grenades on them from above. Cranes, military claims russia has lost more than 2000 soldiers enough to have caught you, but you will go with him. If the russians had been able to clear the client in mine fields, we would have seen that all my vehicles making more progress as it is thats stuck in convoys on not a very well they become easy targets to create in forces liquid mission, you know, getting confused, Ukrainian Military blog is posted face video, showing what they say is one of the drones destroying a russian flag on a hill overlooking the city. The message is clear. Even the rest of the symbolic gains enough to have got the going to be short lived. This map was compiled from open source data by the institute for the study of war and shows areas considered to be russian gains in yellow that most of us say Russian Forces have advanced by an estimated 1. 5 to 2 kilometers, but still fall from surrounding of div come fighting ukraine this summer and autumn has shown the 20th century mine fields and defensive positions can still make things almost impossible for 21st century. Always come spring, but to create in russia. I liked you to look for place to attack the deck, knew anything like after youve got places where the enemy hasnt had a chance to begin. I remember rowland is a military analyst at the worst studies department of keanes college, london. I asked her why russia is focusing its forces on a gift. Now, despite the heavy losses there, good evening. Well, that is a good question. Well have to go back a little bit to a 2014. And that is one of the ukranian troops started for defying their positions. And i of the, of, of the youve got by the russian says consider is a key to controlling the dumbass and to liberating the so called bonus peoples republic. So for russia of the of card is very important, especially because the russians are always claiming that the premiums they using there are a tillery to sheldon. Thats so that would be one political and strategic reason for liberating of the, of got from the russian perspective. And the other idea is that the russians one to control the view of cohort lift the highway and also open up the road to crime a tourist. So it does have logistical advantages. And given the geographic position of, of the, of crime, the features that its on, on an elevator, the area. So they would be on higher ground. The russians, if they took a fee of which would give them a certain advantage as well, and help them reinforce their defensive positions there. You know, we, we talk a lot about mines drones, artillery and these weapons appear to have locked in the front lines, making a breakthrough extremely difficult for both sides. Is there any way to overcome an opponent that is so well entrenched, you know, be russia or you correct as well if you need from the ukrainian perspective, what the ukranian moultrie is trying to do, certainly is, are a waste you or come this seeming died lock and that would be to try and over stretch rushes capabilities and look for weak spots in rushes defenses along the entire line of contact along the entire front line. And that could be one way of avoiding this deadlock. Another way is what your brain has been doing because of lack of progress in the condo offensive ins, operation of what would be targeting so called high value targets, such as logistical nodes, command and control centers, the black sea fleet, h q, for instance. So trying to broaden the operational spectrum and to where down the adversarys and for the russians, the russians are on the defensive. Now was what put in pauls active defense enough to youve got down playing the whole situation. So they are waiting out until the ukrainian side run sort of themes they want to seize and ukrainian capabilities degraded as much as possible. And so as were entering this complicated season, was mugged and then later on, frost, i think the russians might be preparing for a follow up counter offensive. And were seeing movement in oregon square seeing movement in of the of cost. So the russians are trying to ensure that the Korean Forces cannot and concentrate in one specific location. And of course, long range strikes on infrastructure and is another option. How effective will western bade precision weapons. Im thinking about attack thems a storm shadow. How effective will they be in breaking this apparent deadlock as well . It depends on how theyre used. For instance, for um, storing shadow. Lets consider those for as low as our air. The surface missiles, so they require Fighter Aircraft to be fire. The ukraine has some 24 and some 27 for those purposes that happens specifically adapted for delivering the missiles. Now, what is important is to know which targets you want to strike because one storm shadow was callous. And this will cost the 3300000. 00 us dollars. So they are very expensive. They have various cars and it will, it, they can certainly make a difference, but they have to be integrated into the overall operational design and they have to be deployed against hires and targets that otherwise wouldnt be able to be destroyed because other camps. Um it is a little bit different. Um they have smaller warheads also they also have were heads for hard targets,