Well thats, thats, thats a very tough question. So thats why im asking you the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent this week. We are back in the julia and before we continue, id like you to pick to something. Imagine living in a country where you feel completely frustrated by your governments efforts and feel absolutely no way out. What do you do . Well, for most nigerians they decide to jeff the yorba would for run. And so huge is this problem that recently elected president to nubile asked people in the diaspora in the us to come back home and forget the frustrations of the previous government. But is this enough to allow the young people here to remain . Thats the question we have today, and im going to begin with some so now you, i, one of the people who we thing. But look, this country is not really watching out for me. And given the chance i am taking the 1st flights out of here and never coming back, why this is so i meant to just the entropy. No, i think about me having solutions, so many problems. And then still trying to bots will be the 1st drop to thinking about pa thinking up our main center thinking of buying a plastic or that will help me do many things. I will want to do that. So i was think about me looking for a place where i have all of those days like a and thats my dear, its a great the solutions that im looking for. Okay, so give me an idea of how frustrating it is this lack of infrastructure on a normal day painted picture for me. So just imagine me getting into the airport in the marketplace that i need to quickly at the end. So one of my clients that i do have access to the internet on me trying to even use my data to do what i want to do. But im locked out because of the fund value quotes. I know working all of that. Ive had several challenges like these where im trying to do something bored. Mean i gave to the environment, there is no wi fi like i make me do stuff. Theres no infrastructure that guy gives me an idea of what i want to do is very frustrating. Okay. So let me hear from other people here, just the state of affairs and they do at the moment. How would you describe its own desire . So it is good for measure i yeah, i might see things on on what that right. But its not going to be the interest i try is going to be a bit helpless if we all contribute all thoughts to make it up. Lets okay, so you say its going to be a better place, but what is the situation present to them . Yes, thats the reason why we are developing issue on the rights. We are more positive on a positive west on what he it splits never the less cause i Getting Better because youre new call spring you know fire on there, but we, i mean the detox b as i meant to tech space. So i can see a lot of things, i think so yes, because i get some bits on thing. You can only hope that things get better. Okay, so itd be under it. Im sure things are Getting Better and yet new media as you so beautifully wrote in one of your articles for your blog, people already leaving and theyre leaving in droves and hes having an impact already, not just on society, but on your personal life. Can you tell me about that . Well, things have gotten really lone be um, typically you have to work. I had no money, were only conveying type should do like love friendships. I now would be able to say on monday, im on, you know, with this by saying, im on, you know, with that pressing on friday, im gonna, whats the shop to differentiates on because chapter just things to do as i mean, it has really been on an increase um beyond that, i also understand why people are leaving. You think about leaving united you guys that the products is that theres a lot of individual brilliance. Right . Um, but he doesnt translate to anything collectively. Because like you rightly sir, thats no structured as the infrastructure in place. So people want to pick that be used on tickets writ country that walks a structure that works. And you can blame them. So even for those of us who have no, you know someone of coverage or being able to just approve, i felt i leave where i left suite to the keeping up with our friends with all of the Digital Media social media suite you feel like were seeing every day, but the truth is that, that printed with all the new types of people weve gone up with. We have to protect from family like i have friends, thats one of my friends today, the moms but the she literally the only child on she doesnt want to way shes vips the c. All right, and hes just up. I mean like box we talk about the impact on youth, but also impact on the parents are leaving behind the people that you dont know when theyre gonna fall sick. I things are really bad. You dont know when the next time youre coming to like do i used to bury your mom whats very adopt . So its really painful. Yeah. But you said that you understand why theyre leaving, by the way, how many people have friends who just id let me see by show hands and thats every one thats everyone. Okay, so, so let me talk to dr. Duffel here because he is actually uh, working very closely with the permanent secretary steering league goes for the youth commission. Correct . So if lee goes and nigeria indeed is one of the biggest economies in africa. Why and people able to get what they need from this country . Well thats, thats, thats a very tough question. So thats why im asking you when one challenge we have is the number of people compared to the resources that we have in this country. And also management of that just us. Were a low middle income country. So we can actually compare ourselves fully with the, with the west download, which is also a high, high income country. So i think its an extra route that people move to places where theres a green apostrophe. What i find disturbing is the number of people exactly. And just for the information i know for the benefit of all audience, a recent report stated that nearly 70 percent of nigerians actually would want to leave this country to live elsewhere. But not everybody does any thoughts. Some people want to return. And thats the story of until like you hear, tell them, yes, im actually a rock but i wasnt born and 9 to so what is the rock but coming back i wasnt born and 9 g. I didnt go to school and you guys didnt do anything at 90. I came to nigeria for the 1st time when i was 20. And then um, so on and off, ive been in nigeria for 10 years, and i have absolutely no intention of ever moving back to america and is intriguing because samsung. He mentioned something that is the problem to me. He said that hes a Problem Solver. So i dont understand why a Problem Solver will be leaving a place that has problems. We need his talents, and thats my issue. A job, my people can travel and do whatever the heck they want to do, but it is our quality individuals are leaving. And that is what the problem is. That all means going. Travel abroad, go to school, have university experiences, but please bring those or experiences back. Okay. Uh hey, well well, all right. Basically for me the word jack back has electro meaning and a few very too many. So literally and youre right. It means to runny. We as when you say someone is running new, we something is chasing you, right . And most of the time is like you dont have a patsy to laugh, poppers or reason, just want to run. If something happens you, everybody just runs. Everybody just distresses, desolate popsicle that direction, but then youre assigned your and so, so you have hope united to your im calling in the glory to psychiatrist who is your moving lead of purpose, the all niger onto any time to go and come back, digest. Yeah. And i drugs who go to improve themself personally and profession 30 to come back and down. Lots of them will have come back to create opportunities for other people. So niger i is a developing country, right . But there are countries that have more resources, more infrastructure that we have, and its not a big deal if so im price is one to go get better. Ive come back at the same time. You can also stop people from wanting to go and not come back. Its still ends up with every individual opinions and choices at the end of the day. Okay, so i want to talk to dr. Fuller for a 2nd because you are a doctor. And then also interestingly, a visual artist. Ive no idea how you manage those 2 schedules. I can barely keep mine up. So your industry put medicine is one of the west affected by joppa. Actually just from the reports that were hearing, tell us a little bit about that. Are you seeing an impact almost 90 percent of the people . I went to school, we have left the country. They something about being a medical doctor. That nature is really feeling that if you go to other countries, western countries, date is the huge amount of respect. And you know, theres a, a chair it is given to medical doctors that we do not have here the fees, very bad, leaving conditions very bad. And you know, we, if you break down whats the gum means is given to the doctors in the country here. Its really bad. I have a lot of hope for the new, the new um, then your routine, hoping that things would change for sure. Im also hoping that my, my colleagues will also come back to the country when they have developed themselves and the most people just want to run. If you a doctor, theres no reason for you to be major. If that is what everybody say. Okay, let me come back to own desire here for a 2nd because you and you said that, you know things are bad, but theres no reason to go when you hear dr. Follow speaking. I mean, surely those to wells dont belong together. Im so im not saying theres no reason to go right. Boys are going, was my intention if i oh, but he lives lencher, so venture, thats the truth. We will have to go. Yes. You can go get to know that you have come back, come through the manager, come up closer structure and you just as appropriate price. When you 1st of probably play a subject public, you create a bunch of music to manually i get to know that youd like to come back and create opportunities in and you mentioned it, but its okay. I do, i do, i do. I agree. I agree because opies nice chop is you dont want to keep open for 62 years. We have to print it out. What not close enough body. People that close in that body of fucking, imagine me get out of the country, go to knowledge, come back and im be several times have been cute, just because and it distracted duty, someone and government to make my dear come to reality. I mean, are we talking about a country where you can literally not say what we happened in this time . No secure, but you know, your spouse structure that they me that i should go . No, no, no, no, im not saying that all the countries i know like that im saying that the settings. So the things that i should be set to know about the things that should be nothing for me, provided by the government that should be able to do what we have talking about. Gimme a 2nd because we mean yes, i also think that you kind of discount the fact that the programs and that you have very institutional people leave this country. I have friends who have left this country. I mean, 3 years they have houses because as mortgage systems, we dont have documents here. We do lots of docs and that you, i mean, they wont even do is accessible at the recall for me please. So i think that were coming from the place of privilege. If you think lets, lets listen to. I think i can somebody please of privilege if you think that you know, my pressing can access the things that you said i no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is, this is the problem. I didnt oftentimes, because we have access to social media, we think everyones life is perfect. Its not like that even in the abroad. You have to have a certain kind of salary to get certain kind of mortgage to get a certain kind of health every way has its own kind of strategies or rules. He says something about a doctor. And i know even when i was trying to study medicine, doctor was supposed to have some kind of ingrained reason to want to help people to sort of the fact that people are running away because of money. Its a problem to me. You took an oath to save lives. Thats on to her, the me, the fax. I think what they want one doctor took. Its yes. What the government . Thats the big one. The address was that the government said, thats the speech up at the top on the medical press. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Lets just come back to center for a 2nd. You said something about the medical profession and questioned what is driving the duct desires and what their motivation is. Yes, and the media is trying to explain the sense of belonging, literally on the phone. No, you did say that at the level of being green misstep that comes with a professional. You know, thats another country i wont be. I feel like will be the solution. If you say that we dont speeds, we see its we yeah about it. We have all the systems, i mean that complains them. You care about the editor of systems. Everybody knows that. But its just, yeah, it might have called the 9. Yeah. Am i correct now . Yeah, the, im not as of your life into caring for people. Its a catch me for people who are making sure that people are like, its better to be good in some sense. Then you should be the level of respect from the government. Okay, no problem, because because weve invo the name of the doctors here, lets reintroduce him to the discussion now. Uh the question was suppose you know what is the motivation for a doctor . But of course, if the conditions a so terrible as need be these explaining, then why should you stay . But if you dont stay, thats the part who then gets to fix the system. Now we need to see the 1st thing is very important. Youre trying to downplay the, the importance of p and that is very, very, but these doctors and the machines do you understand . Now we work in a system where you work more mean shifts and night shift. You understand, we have periods where you have to work the whole we can do you understand . How do you, how do you give your services to your mind, your hands. When youre thinking about your rent, when youre thinking about your transportation, when youre thinking about the time, when you think about your family, do you understand most people come from families where the mother, the father, everybodys boring money to send this boys to school. You get, they become a medical doctor, you dont have a home because you have a lot of shifts. So many patients to see 1st before because and they drilled, we have about 4000 patients to one doctor a. So i dont mind, you know, i, im ok, weve seen as many as i want to see. You understand . Well, what happens to me, when do i go to, of, to seeing everybody . Where am i sleeping . What am i . Its all right. Lets begin. Se also because i hear her nodding, you have something to add to this. I was not in because i had an experience where i went to the doctor to get a diagnosis. And in the middle of diagnosing, he was dozing off. So i asked him, are you ok . He said yes, i have been im not okay, i have been working all day. We do um a 101. Pressing 200 people by day as a doctor. That is crazy and im here in 4000 so we dont. So thats even, you know, much more explosive. I want to, i agree with something she said when she talks about between a dynamics, theres the dynamic of privilege. Im not trying to dont play or yes because she said that she she lived abroad or live in michigan. Its a different feeling when youre coming from there. When you break, youve been raised from this and you come down here. We need to also look at the dynamics of privilege when were discussing these things, we cannot give a one size fits all approach of view to everybodys reason for leave it all right, a dr. Delta, and let me, let me get you for a 2nd because youve been silently observing everyone very pensively. What are your thoughts . All right, so i think um, there is what ill describe as a push and pull factors to, to people live in something these fussing people out on the, on that and something is being incentivized to bring people in. Its a point that we know that the country is worth looking at about to im not interested in taking the worst of us. So it is a dynamic. We screen q for people at low cost and we have a huge, Huge Population of young, hardworking, yes. And the question of costs that dr. Fuller then comes to mind, how do we incentivize him to stay . You know, how do we, in spite of these conditions. Okay, so yes, now that several things we, we can do to, to incentivize interested firstly, we have to outside the question of a lawful country. I mean, every, every citizen of every country should be primarily interested in the country. First of all, then secondly, there are things that the government can do to make life. Itd be best uh for, for people which is, which is also what i believe that we should be clamoring for. More than assessing the cause of getting not to look at being resourceful about to be a copy of it so, so we cannot, we cannot have somebody have an opportunity to practice so way in the United Kingdom and depression would naturally want to be here. I mean basically would obviously want to leave for Something Better because thats the normal she month in this. Please go ahead. I am, let me just say this. I am not against people. Living by all means do what she wants to do. But im often hearing some things like that site is amazing and it is nots. First and foremost, we need to look at the color of skin state here, being black and being abroad is not friendly. I was up in america, i was american of black americans. So now thats even different than being an immigrants in america is an extremely different experience. Everyone should go and have a blast, but those stories we hear about People Living abroad and how they feel they are very valid and true. So by all means, if you rather deal with racism, what would tribalism go and have a blast . But i dont want people to think that automatically once you go is going to be amazing. Even if you are that skilled, excellent talent, you will still face challenges. So my charge is that if youre going to go, please just take those resources and please bring them back to make sure we need it. Okay, thats it. That was uh, there was another statement here from the back. I just dont see, i would rather be discriminated against any foreign country thatd be queued in my own country and you dont have to do not being to be cutie named. You just dont do you called them doing that 9 ga the freezer. Let nigeria happens to you on what that means. You dont let the system feel you and i think a lot of people are leaving because and i do as food one to many people. And if we, oh, i mean, youre just going to use empty. Maybe the government would finally wake up because the be sleeping on the bicycle. Okay. Okay. Now theres Something Interesting which i discovered as i was doing research on this topic, which is where exactly nigerians are going. And not surprisingly, the country is the top, the list, the kind of the us euro, and only one african country featured on that list. And thats was gonna. So if the idea is to bet to your lives and not really to leave in the abroad, as we are saying, why not move to follow african countries . Why not