Thank you. Tragic deaths around and aid con boy in northern gauze, have highlighted the desperation of civilians for food and the lack of security in the enclave. After everything that youve seen in the past days is it time for egypt to open its border to civilians from gaza. As the top of the boards engines is this would be participating in a premeditated consistent effort by these ladies to decrease the density of palestinians on their own territory. And its something was pleasant they, we would not do because we supported by the city and state side by side with us that we continue to take part of the tenants in need of medical supervision or medical help we take. So, but a large scale, a number of palestinians were basically, we were playing into these very acts. But you know, it just has certainly made that red line quite clear. They will not accept any force displacement of palestinians. But how do you balance the humanitarian desperation . I mean, you know, saved the children just out this past week, saying that we are quote, witnessing a mass killing of children in slow motion because there is no more food left. How do you, how do you balance that with your red lines . Its an absolutely great question. We are in a very difficult situation. We cannot allow products, they use the star. We dont want them to be shot it at the same time. We dont want to be forced into a position where we collaborate. Indirectly with these ratings fired by decreasing the thats what i cities. So what theyre doing is provide the as much assistance as we can ton of order. We had dropped also just about 48 hours ago and they continue to host negotiations with these varies and the cost of these to try to deal with all these issues. But i guess my point is, you know, at what point does egypt have no other choice morally then to open the border . Because you know, we know what this is not a crisis of youre making, but does egypt need to do more to help the people on the ground . I think we are doing quite a bit. But yes, i agree with you. There will be a situation where if they are forced across the board, we will have to make very difficult decision. But how we respond to we, we clearly are not going to care for our students. But that being said, uh it should not be interpreted as meaning. Push them across the border. And we will that yes, because pushing out across the board is not only a violation of punish penny and rights. Its also by the way, if violation of egypt is 80 percent we know of consequence. Yeah. And um, you know, id like to ask you a little bit about what is happening right now on the ground at the border because theres been a lot of questions about that. Egypt has been building some sort of security perimeter at the border last month. Your foreign minister classified as what he called maintenance on the border is in egypt planning an area to house palestinians in case of and its really offensive on rafa n o i, i dont know exactly it, but let me tell you what i do now. The area where there is construction was originally an area of license buildings. They were taken down and people were to move out. The government rebuilt that area and invited the junction to go back to that, that they have not yet gotten back to that period. And its something that has been going on for over a year. You had the, the guys, a breakout during the last 5 months. So the pressure also became, uh, what are we going to do is the by the cities are forced across support. Uh, we will have to deal with a very dire you might charity situation, but we will also have to deal with the situation where we will not in any way direct or indirect condone is maybe action that virus by the city and rights. And i suspect, but also that violates the dictionary piece of view. And that needs to be clearly understood. Yes. So let me ask you a little bit more about the diplomacy that might be going on behind closed doors right now because and israels foreign minister has said that they have to and im quoting here, deal with rafa because they cannot just leave him off there. And that it would coordinate with egypt to address concerns about refugees. What conversations do you think are happening right now between egypt and israel, especially when it comes to, you know, potential incentives, for example. I mean, you know, money and incentives for egypt to take refugees wouldnt hurt what it this is not an issue of money and it said, this is an issue. We are committed to it to states used to stay out of city, and part of that of the just states is guys in the west. Like if we were to, to reduce the numbers there, that would be very, very gauge. Some is a politicians in the cabinets have opened. He said, yes, we need to move by the seniors out of guys that are entered egypt or even into your and will fight finance and can do so thats the advocate paused so we can make this look. Oh, but we have made it also clear that we will not participate in this process. Uh and i can tell you that effects on National Security and thats a violation of the piece of it. Taking it back to getting aid and air dropping of aid is picking up even the United States has joined in. There are currently discussions on how else to expand the flow, and you know, its been reported that President Biden spoke last week with president. Ill cc about urgency of negotiations and bringing more 8 into gaza. I mean, as egypt your next door, youre trying to get calm boys in. Do you see the potential, if anything shifting on the ground so that more aid can enter . Yes, i do see if there is a hostage, a partial positive change versus incarcerated, and a temporary cease fire that can facilitate a going in the least most recent incident that we saw just put 3 days ago. This was a actually you brought in and organized by palestinians and his race. But given that it was a caustic, some is raised themselves. The fact the, the group of people who gathered around these vehicles, they are so you cant have a state a substantial amount of it going in, in a war zone in a culture. So theres no way to work secure area. So yes, we want, why are we austic the negotiations on the safe side also to change . One of the reasons stop getting People Killed but also about for more effective. You mentioned your name, right. And just to pick up on one thing that you said there, i mean the idea is actually said that indeed they did fire, but they didnt actually fire on individuals who were seeking to get a. But again, theres, theres 2 sides of the story. So i just want to highlight that thats, thats the perspective that they are bringing in and the official statements. Lets take it back to the ceasefire talks because they, they were due at the time of this interview. They were due to kick off in cairo, egypt, and could tar have been mediating between israel and from austin. And your foreign minister has said in the past days that hes optimistic about a temporary cease fire being reached before ramadan. What do you think that she sees that might point to optimism for deal . Well, again, you have to assemble. Just let me tell you what i think he meant he meets up. If you simply listen to all of the international uh, report everybody and everybody has been telling these rays and thomas, lets have these 5 before rum about. Theyre worried about the situation on the ground, humanitarian and political, but theyre also worried about it breaking out. Beyond the borders in the states on the on, on east baseboard. So theres also the strength of expansion. Uh thats, that is what i think were seeing. Now. Again, 2 points to fabulous here. One, this is not a full face for, nor at full hostages 6. This is a partial positive exchange versus those incarcerated and a temporary spot. So it will be a positive step towards a complete ceasefire. Youre not going to get the use of the conflict or, and the ability to start rebuilding what has been destroyed unless you get a complex. But as one of the, you know, the traditional mediators between these parties. Um, so what is a little bit about how you think the pressure on those parties might be right now . Because we, we have World Leaders speaking out loudly against the scenes of suffering right now and gaza even the us is real strongest allies, seems frustrated. Do you see this as an Inflection Point in the crisis . Do you feel the mood could change the dynamics on the ground again . So it goes up to that question. I think it does, but it has a section point from either we. We start a process of trying to deal with the imaginary situation. Were substantially and hopefully then the post politics, the policies and the security situation or Inflection Point will be that it will want to move towards a highly of all the time regional context. I dont mean sol slips out is where he was. They told me you see everything from tension and lexie literally in order to the Syrian Border stuff. Right. Whats happening inside guys that problems on our border as well. This is going to break out of hand. So the Inflection Point is either we find a way to slow this boxes down and try to resolve, its always going to break out beyond control. So youve made the bridge, theyre basically from the temporary cease fire talks now to something a little bit more longer term. And there seems to be a lot of will and diplomatic momentum. We have to say from both arab states and israels allies, including the us and the u. K. To secure such a long term lasting piece that would indeed include a 2 state solution. You know, you, youve seen over many decades the, all of the previous efforts that have failed is something different. This time yes. The college of getting humanity is something they havent seen for tactics. It was always a horrible incident in our insight, israel or a month brought us to New Territories into such a nation of meters by the way, not by the other side, but private, wrong people. So weve seen that, but to see 5 months, 30000 People Killed, at least because there are those under the wrong that we dont account for 70 percent of home women and children start. We have not seen that in a very long, long time. So thats something which, frankly, i come for egypt, we were the 1st to have a piece of people with these ladies. And thats almost 50 years ago. These 2 years after the 1st place agreement with isnt to say not only a lack of control, you know, a comprehensive piece completely but to see the level of cubic and, and, and, and, and counter buttons is frankly quite shocking. And it really birds and my god as how have you been part of this process for so long and as, and as you are coming from egypt, id like to ask you about the saudi lead group of arab states that includes egypt. Jordan katara, the u. A e, which is reportedly now pushing this post floor plan that would include a reformed Palestinian Authority, govern and gaza. And a reversible pass towards the 2 state solution. From the perspective of arab diplomacy. What could be offered to sweeten the deal for israel because any, you highlighted the trauma of these societies is that the violence of bloodshed, there is no appetite right now for 2 states, solution israel after october 7th. So thats why i mean, what i let me talk about what i think can be done rather than whats on the table by the, our group. Because i dont know actually how far theyve gone talk. I said crisis and concert, or we need to say, ill give you 10 quick points, intense x, 6 Fire Hostage Exchange doesnt cost the rate that you want a terry support. Uh, security arrangements between palestinians is ways in does that include the withdrawal of Israeli Forces of a a declaration to recognize you find a city and state based on 6. 67. But as soon as they under occupation, by we must say its its, its stopped by the city and say under occupation based on 67, every information by the arab countries of their era. They would summit where they said they were all have relations with as well. If there is an end of, of occupation, i want to put all of that under a Security Council resolution every one of these points, by the way, a supported by, oh gosh, i create i want to have that adopted by the tasha by the Security Council in an affirmative vote, and then we go to the parks because that will also require by the way, elections initially. Elections that arent part of city. Its essentially the government. Let me ask a lot of settings. Yep. I mean its, its, you know, youre presenting here a plan, but i, i also wanna ask you how you get that planned on with the move that is currently on the ground. These really cabinet right now has said that any recognition of a Palestinian Statehood in the wake of the mos terror attacks on israel and october 7th, which as we know, killed 1200 people and 250 were taken hostage. Theyve said, and im quoting here, it would give a huge reward to unprecedented terrorism. So this adult day took package and go with it. So these varies and by the city showing that the okay, you have a ceasefire, youll have secure it has, it will have security. But as soon as well have a release from whats happening, youre going to have to establish a new government. Ive sent it to deal with guys and the west bank, so were dealing with the whole thing as to to get it and slowly within a 2 year period, we can get there if you go to the, to the, to the address today. Cuz i know you probably got in your mind. Okay, why cant the take charge of guys and manage that and provide security . And thats a question. Which injections have been i asked for hundreds of times. Its probably the most logical, you know, responsible question. Anybody can think of because we will not be surrogates, varies, but you know, theres that they were preserved. Let me just continue. But heres what i say, go they what they want, but i just need to follow up with you on that because you know and ask you to actually respond to what israel has put forward. They set out this competing plan for postwar garza, it does not include a 2 state solution. It does include overseeing security in the enclave. Youve talked about security there. And in fact, netanyahu says that israel should have Security Control over the philadelphia cord. Or we know thats that borders own between garza and egypt. Do you see any circumstances youve talked about coming together . Do you see any circumstances under which egypt would be willing to accept that the opposite . Cuz not because thats what basically me. So what are the alternatives we occupied a security perspective . This is my point. Yeah, let me just tell you if you tell me that this 10 point plan or a point of a number of points, you want, what ultimately need joel at the city and state down the road, then you can get you anything and it will not involved is way the security supervision over guess the out of state. I would definitely be ready to help rebuild not to know what the rate of the bill and well train and create mechanisms for better management engaged with the westport. But theyre not going to be so if its a visual secure, is absolutely no way that they would accept that for you more. The reason why say that responsible. If we were to put addiction forces or training is in, we have a piece of human with these weights. And these weight is inter amendments here. What do we do to them . We end up shooting, but as soon as it is ready, its not going to happen. Youve highlighted all the challenges spoken, but what all the alternatives that go through this. Give me a structure for a plan and then we can look at ok, is a guarantee managed by an arrow international, contingent or international contingent, palestinian contingent with our oversight. The details are, are, are plausible. And we can look at creative solutions, but not solutions that end up with the fact on his way up to patients of guys that cannot. But i, we, i, i look again, we was a 1st design, a piece of human with this. So there is a lot of security, we accept that and were looking at ways to achieve that, but only based on you cant have security unless you solve the problem. The problem is occupation or, and these ladies want more transparency and more effectively security that we can, that we could look at, provided that the principal and the doctor patients there. Lets, lets move on because um, you know, egypt has been also part of this rethink of politics and palestinians. Air palace sending areas and part of, you know, the plans for potential governance within goals itself. How do you see the prospects for fragmented posting in politics to be able to unite after the war . Because i mean, the Palestinian Authority president lockwood, a boss, is looking set to stay in his position along with his security chiefs. Do you think palestinians will accept that and that the p a might administer garza is widely unpopular. Let me put it this way. The only way to really administrative does that in a way thats the sectors were part of sentience. And also we also were accepted by these varies uh without occupation, is to have a policy in published and you understand whether we like it or not. Promise have less support before october 7th. Now they have more support, not because of what they did, but because it is a reaction to, to what they did that kind of without a doubt it loaded p as Authority Based credibility. Excuse me. Uh, but we need to rebuild that. It may require new leaders, ive not had lost it to that. All im saying is that, yes, youre, youre heading to the point right on the, on, on the head. We need to get published and use to look for a new for me. Thats why i said we need to elections and we need to just take the got a government, and theres both whats back and get. There is a big debate also raging right now about whether or not to what extent him off should be involved in all of that. Egypt for its part has acted as a mediator between our mazda and its foes, israel, in fact, as weve highlighted, its also worked with him boss in recent years to counter and his lovek insurgency and the sign i. But you know, for you personally, when you look at the situation after the horrors of october 7th can be really be part of a post war scenario. Again, typically the scenario if its a plus worst scenario, where we continue to have cyprus, a violence, theyll be clark. Theres no question that be fine. Because the symmetrical, even though many countries around the world consider them to be a terrorist organization. The United States, a do israel, and so this isnt the, this is the be careful year. I didnt say a postwar scenario where you have peace. I said if we continue to have a cycle of buttons, then they, they are others. Other forms of comments will cont