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We should know the traitors in faces, watch the Collaborators Program with olena kononenko, every wednesday at 5 45 p. M. On the espresso tv channel. We continue our military program, where we try to draw conclusions against the background of hostilities in israel, conclusions that can adjust our defenseindustrial or military priorities in the context of our war with the Russian Federation. And now oleksandr joins us. Here is a doctor of Technical Sciences from the tsarice, the developer of a bodyless fighter and a number of other aviation projects, mr. Oleksandr, glad to see and hear, very dear sergiyuvych, i am very glad to see you, thank you for the invitation, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes , although you are also in kravaka today, which is very unusual to see after the unity with which we have repeatedly appeared on the air, i would like to ask you, in the context of what is happening in israel, you are now actively analyzing the hostilities in different countries, what equipment is used, what weapons are used by the Russian Federation and other countries, and so i would like to hear from you what conclusions we should draw from the first stage of the military campaign, which now is happening in israel, around israel, what is important that we should distinguish from those approaches that the country uses in the fight against its enemies, you know, i want my comment. To begin with gratitude, i see the signature below us, the war will be global, how to prepare for it in ukraine , this is a continuation of the words and comments of the very calm, professional, professional Lieutenant General kyryl budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, and all that , what we see, our regional, socalled regional war, the ukrainianrussian conflict, or the events that are currently taking place in israel, and in the middle east, in general, one way or another, today everything is a continuation of those textbook operations that took place in the middle east in the early 90s. I always cite christomatyn for aviators first of all, an example for specialists of socalled joint operations, is that one way or another, any serious breakthrough operation begins with an air defeat, first of all, these are means , means of air delivery munitions, then the missile troops are connected, the ground component must continue to move, this is the logic that applies to ukraine, what are the conclusions from this, unfortunately, due to the insufficient number and even the insufficient quality of aviation means still to this day, the impression that available in ukraine, we are still waiting for american or some other models, serious fighter aircraft, operationaltactical aircraft. Well, first of all, of course, it is about the fact that the most air force today is expected to be f16 aircraft. We they talked about it repeatedly, at the moment, well, if you ask me, as always, a person who systematically approached, and this is what we also talked about , literally a short comment, that we have structured the policy in ukraine in such a way that we will initially receive a simpler aircraft from the point of view technical, although 16 has its own peculiarities. And then move on to heavy ones, yes , thank you, f15, and, but i want to emphasize always, and for the specialists of my colleagues in the field of the military, i always emphasized the need for f15i aircraft, that is, multifunctional aircraft capable of air and ground operations, is also the same aircraft, but the f16 is lighter, the amount of weapons that the f15 can carry is almost one and a half times. More than the f16 and including, as one of the air force pilots noted the f15 and ma and the f15 as such has a much greater combat radius than the f16 and including and i am glad to hear that the thoughts that i expressed regarding the concept that i put into our unmanned fighter one, it is precisely this, first of all, it is the air component of antiaircraft and antimissile defense, that is, the plane is a platform for antiaircraft missile interceptors, ranging from simple barrage munitions like shahed and complex cruise missiles, or even sometimes you can think about intercepting ballistic missiles. Thus, summing up what i said, aviation is an absolutely necessary and almost the main component for support, to begin even with. Operations, operations, if we talk about ukraine, will liberate our territories, why constantly our military Political Leadership and emphasizes the need to obtain aircraft, it does not matter what year the platform appeared, but aircraft equipped with modern and stateoftheart weapons, reconnaissance and armament systems, i. E. Target detection , aiming and delivery systems, combat units in various ways, be it antiaircraft missiles, or already socalled cruise bombs, or their , as they are called smart bombs, or glide bombs and so on , because unfortunately, despite the fact that the su27 aircraft is comparable as an aerodynamic object, as simply as a carrier aircraft with the f15 aircraft, which we we see on the screen, but the weapon complexes, what exactly our planes in ukraine , su27 and 29, are equipped with, they are already two or three generations behind what is on combat duty in the United States of america and, to the great regret of the Russian Federation. Mr. Oleksandr, i would like to take a step back and ask you the following question why did it happen that when we talk about airplanes, we tried to supply them to iran, when we talk about longrange systems of the thunder complex, we somehow with. Were partners with saudi arabia, as well as with aircraft for saudi arabia. And the question arises, do we have, why did this happen, and secondly, do we now have the time, potential, opportunities to develop powerful projects with the right countries, and do you have the feeling that we still are we moving in this direction . Well, here it is necessary, on your words, to recall the statement of the president of the potomac foundation, philip karber, you remember, at the beginning of this year. Who said that you ukrainians say that we the United States do not give you enough, but you yourself did nothing to have it all yourself, as my greatgrandfather said when he the combi docks came to uncork and told grandfather to give it to the sukiyru and say, this is my ax, where is your ax, things like this continue in ukraine, unfortunately, they continued until the beginning of this russianukrainian phase of the war, which has been going on for centuries, lets say it honestly. Why did this happen . You know, once such a question was already put to me, and not only to me, but also to other former heads of the antonov state enterprise. After all, it was, well, i dont want to say military, it was political, a Political Choice of the Time Leadership of already independent ukraine. Anyway, at that time, you know, the Aircraft Carrier cannot be deployed. Er, on the spot, how can you do this with a formula 1 car, it will still inertially move along its set course for a long, long time and will probably turn around in 20 minutes, thats how it was with our country, that mental attitude, which was, and many specialists of the special services who are even still in the service, my peers, here we are, who are now 45, in the early 90s they were taught that who is our main enemy, anyway, this is the United States of america, and some representatives who lead something there lived and even still live with such a mental attitude, fortunately this is our military one. The political situation, first of all the military one, has so far removed the masks from all the actors in this world, and fortunately i can already say that even i, i am proud of it, what related to my area of ​​responsibility, tsdptonov, i succeeded, even putting his career to the slaughter, to stop squandering, squandering and treacherous transfer of intellectual Property Assets to of various countries that do not come out in support of ukraine today, i expressed myself very delicately, im sorry, i ca nt say more, even wearing now, being on a civilian mission, then ill still ask then about atonov, do you have a feeling that there are projects on the same antonov there or in other branches of the Ukrainian Defense industry, which in cooperation with european, american, german, French Partners are really starting to create models that really ensure the strengthening of our Defense Industrial potential and will create new competences there, which we have to acquire in partnership precisely with our adequate countries. I was pleased to read recently the news that dpptonov has finally joined one wellknown european militarytechnical association, that is, it is moving after all. The right direction that i managed to set, well, including me for development, specifically, if we talk about the ppp , well, we see that in other projects, in other related industries, i hope that the same is happening in the rocket industry, so what if we talk about the production, which was issued at the very beginning, then after all, for ukraine, even i, being primarily an aviator. In the field of aerospace, that is, aviation and space technologies, i will still say that ukraine should focus on the development, codevelopment with the United States, with european colleagues, of antimissile Defense Systems, and i constantly emphasize this, against missile defense, i. E. Protection against ballistic missiles, highspeed hypersonic missiles, i will remind everyone that along the border of ukraine we were promised to deploy 96 of launchers of the iskander complexes, it is 96 2, because in each launcher of the foreign iskander there are two missiles, and not one, as was the case at point u or in previous projects, like the scud, which, by the way, the ussr again, or the Russian Federation transferred to iran, now it is trying to get them from there already under the guise of iranian technology, so it is with regard to ukraine. We need to focus specifically on antimissile Defense Systems and then air Defense Systems, well, as an element of air defense and to a lesser extent in to a lesser extent antimissile defense, we need to develop our own fighter projects, not forgetting in any case that we need to receive a very significant assortment of equipment from our western colleagues, partners in the now global coalition, sir. You said, first of all, antimissile and antiaircraft defense as a basic priority, and what , relatively speaking, would you add in this priority chain in order to choose certain such, well, focusing our efforts there on the shortterm, mediumterm perspective, and what besides proppo . Yes, thank you for this hint, indeed, i always, you know, like in a market economy, with any stock market quotations, if something is already being talked about a lot and it is already in the press, then it is probably too late to bet on it, i am not saying that it is not necessary to be late, but what is not talked about much in our country, or not at all , i want to remind everyone about this, including based on achievements in the field of physics, the nobel prize already for 2023, it once again concerned to the technologies that will be used in the Transmission System data, quantum computing and the like, this is proverbial, i use the word proverbial specifically, because there is a lot of talk about it at. Events, the socalled Artificial Intelligence , Artificial Intelligence, the components of which are hardware and software complexes, there is hardware and there is software, that is, the hardware part, that is, it is microprocessor technology, ultrahighpower, electronic memory for computers, and in the future also quantum technologies, that is, optoelectronic calculations. Super highpowered for computational capacity. So, for example, who on the european territory is the legislator of fashion in this area. It is claimed in the press that this is, for example, denmark. Who would have thought, right . Why, for example, not the manufacturer, the most famous manufacturer in europe, of microprocessor technology, the netherlands . No, this is denmark, they focused on issues of quantum technologies. So, to ukraine, which is , remember, i once showed even our historical achievement, the ukrainian encyclopedia of cybernetics, the first in the world back in 7973, we must remember that we are first of all a nation mathematics, and only thanks to mathematics, its various applied applications in various fields, it is possible to hold some, i am not saying not to be first, but to be on a level in the world with highly developed, economically highly developed nations and scientifically. Technically highly developed nations, so on shortterm perspective, i would strengthen the study of mathematics, english, by the way, this is also what is needed for the military, in all universities and universities of ukraine, that is, military, higher educational institutions and civilian, technical educational institutions, and english speech, this is a shortterm perspective, and a mediumterm perspective, just in spite of the fact that when. that global war will happen, lets imagine that it is after the elections in the United States of america, that is, it will be already 2025, ukraine we must prepare for the fact that we communicate with our colleagues and military and civilians in the same language, it is still the working language, it will be english, no one will get anywhere from that, and develop, make, including the highlight of our scientific, military and scientific and technical industry, the very question of military Artificial Intelligence, that is why even highprecision weapons, which are the same interceptor missiles, guided missiles, or vice versa, operationaltactical missiles for defeating artillery missile troops, they are all their own, in essence, they are precisely applied applications issues of Artificial Intelligence in the hardware and software complex, because you and i saw how hamas made rockets from water pipes, we can say, yes, but they do not have a highprecision component, what is a highprecision component, it is either a radar guidance head, or optoelectronic, or combined, and a system for processing images, map data, and the like, and this is already the world of ultrahigh technologies. In ukraine, as i said, unfortunately , we lost it, we had a production of microelectronics, it was destroyed, i perfectly understand that this was done on purpose. In the 1990s, and at the moment we somehow have to be in the club of countries with whom it is possible to work in this sector. Mr. Oleksandr, i will interrupt you a little, but you mentioned Artificial Intelligence, do we have now, conditionally speaking, there is a certain foundation where such solutions can be crystallized, which there is cooperation with denmark or other countries, can be in the format of such a software product, have you seen that there is work being done specifically in ukraine against the background of these efforts of related with Artificial Intelligence . They exist for the time being at this level, lets say the Tactical Unit for arming the Tactical Unit, that is, it is the processing of camera data for the guidance of the same semiautomatic barrage munitions, which are already being developed in ukraine, such a fine, well yes, they can object to me, well, we already have a delta system. And others, but this is still a more classical application, in computer science, in computer science, i am still talking more about highspeed computing, which is just emerging, it does not exist yet, and ukraine with its scientific educational potential, it would be very useful, and should be very useful in this small club of countries, developers of promising systems using quantum technologies. And ultrahighspeed computing. I want to remind, for example, that the supercomputer that processed the data from the radar, the duga2 system, for which chernobyl was being built, did not work at all. From kyiv the antenna, which was standing, was created just in the sist at the institute of cybernetics, the academy of sciences of ukraine, it was unique for its time, mr. Oleksandr, and you just need to remind everyone about it, ukrainians, remember it, thank you very much for as always your professional comments and the high bar of requirements for what we should strive for, and i think our viewers will take this into account and draw conclusions, thank you very much for the inclusion of our viewers, i would like to remind you that it was oleksandr losyu, doctor of Technical Sciences, exhead of the antonov concern and the last head and person who developed the ukrainian unmanned fighter jet, so this project exists and needs promotion and other projects in the aviation field, here these were the main points of our war program in view of the hostilities in israel and what conclusions we must draw for our own security and defense, stay tuned to espresso. I flew, fle