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The war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians. Wins and losses, analysis and predictions. Politics and geopolitics, Serhiy Rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this. People who have information and shape public opinion. People who defend ukraine and create the future right now. The main and interesting thing in the verdict program is serhii rudenko. From monday to friday at 20 00, a repeat of fr 12 10. Svitpichas program. Of war is back on the air of the tv channel and now i will talk about what i already said before the commercial break , it is, unfortunately, the war in israel, i will talk about it with yevhen sova, a politician, journalist, member of the knesset of israel, mr. Yevhen, i congratulate you, i congratulate you , yuri, i welcome you, thank you for joining, look, my first question will be this, yesterday, how serious can it all be, even with the rumors this morning that israel, the United States of america and egypt agreed about some kind of ceasefire, but yesterday there was a statement from the secretary general of the united nations, antonio guterres, who said, quote the world is on the brink of an abyss in the middle east, how serious can it be . Well, first of all, i have not been a journalist for 4. 5 years, i am a former journalist, after all, i have been in the knesset for almost 5 years, look, we are waging a heavy war, we. It started literally a few hours after the brutal attacks by hamas, and there is no need for any additional information, this is a war that we want to bring to an end, but i am very happy in my party, the leader of my party dorman said that the goal of this war should be the unequivocal destruction of hamas as an organization that threatens the state of israel, hamas is not only the gaza sector, it is also on the west bank of samaria, the hamasites are in the south. With the support of hezbollah, including actively trying to provoke us to open a second front, and like any war that is being waged, we do not reveal what we will do tomorrow, the day after tomorrow or there in 2 days, but the questions that they concern some humanitarian things or a temporary ceasefire, although this is also not true, because the head of the press service of the Israel Defense forces, Brigadier General daniel hagary, just said that there is no humanitarian ceasefire, that is, there are requests, we receive in particular, for example, there was a request to resume Water Supplies to the southern part of the gas sector, here you just need to understand, your viewers too, to tell them that israel does not have to. Deal with the situation in gas, that is, israel withdrew from gas in 2005 year, but nevertheless, electricity supplies continued, Water Supplies continued, and now our task is to completely cut off, you know, this umbilical cord, as they say here in israel, from the gas sector, so that not only would hamas not be in the gas, but also that we would not carry responsibility for the situation in gas, let egypt take over this function, there is a lot of speculation on the topic, here we have an agreement, it is as if you are negotiating there now, there are no agreements, but negotiations are always conducted, because we. what is the fate of the stolen 200 citizens who only Israeli Citizens are there, i emphasize, that is, 199 israeli families received information this morning, well, not all 199, but today there was a statement that 199 families of israelis received notification that their loved ones are in the hands of hamas, that is, no no here is where the identification of bodies is still taking place, on the basis of the army rabbinate, precisely in the gas sector, so it is also taken into account, we for our part believe that there should be no humanitarian corridors, the pressure on hamas should be maximum, if hamas holds ours citizens, why do we now have to make some humanitarian concessions , thats why i cant tell you about any agreements, i can only tell you my position, the position, in particular of our party, the leader of my party, which we will voice, but you said about negotiations, negotiations are still underway, right . No, no, do not negotiate with hamas, i am saying that if there is any dialogue with our partners, it is clear that it is being conducted, the dialogue is being conducted with the usa, the dialogue is being conducted with egypt, we have a peace treaty with egypt, we , israel and egypt coordinates their actions, we always, always , when something happens in the gas sector, egypt is the first to act as such an intermediary, still trying, well, at least to understand the situation, because egypt has the same border with gas, like ours, well, ill give you, yuri, look, ill give you an example, between gaza and egypt there is a checkpoint at rafiyah, okay, this is a checkpoint that is located on the border, for example, for a long time hamas did not want to open this checkpoint with on its part, so that , for example, foreign citizens may enter the territory of egypt, which are located on the territory of the sector, we on our side were ready, for example, to withdraw foreign citizens to the territory of israel, but what did hamas do . Not only that, in the early days of the war, when it started, when hamas started the war, it primarily attacked employees, israeli employees, who worked at these checkpoints, there were several of them that are now closed, there erez in the north, kerem shalom, a little south. These people, these people, our citizens, our dead citizens, were engaged in the fact that they were passing humanitarian cargo, who came to the port of ashdod, ashdod is a southern israeli city , located some 2025 kilometers north of the gaza strip, you see, there are no civilians there for hamas, hamas uses them now as a human shield, hamas, for example, forbids the residents of gaza to move south, because in the southern part of gaza there are, for example, unra schools, unra is an agency for. Palestinian refugees, in these schools no one shoots at these schools, in these schools they receive some medicines, water, food, that is the israeli army said everyone who remains today in gaza city, and the responsibility for their lives, for their future is borne by hamas, because in the event that at the moment when the ground operation begins, no one will be watching there, and why you stayed in the gaza strip, you were given enough days to leave, but hamas is preventing this migration to the south, there the hamas fighters actually. Cover themselves with their own people, like a human shield, now you know, the discussion is very broad, alone they say, here we have israel, where they say, yes, they voted for hamas, they supported hamas, because there were no elections as such, hamas took control of the gas sector 16 years ago without elections, but the majority of the population supports hamas anyway, why do we then now we have to divide the population of gaza between hamas, well, first of all, because we are not animals , lets start with this, because we are a legal state, we understand that peaceful citizens should not die as a result of what hamas is, that is why we are trying to maneuver i will tell you a secret, it is very difficult to navigate after we have not yet buried all 10,400 killed Israeli Citizens, it is very difficult, and in Israeli Society they look at the civilians of gaza in a completely different way today. Many generally believe that there are no peaceful residents of gaza, if you support hamas and you supported it for 16 years and actually recognized its authority, then what kind of peaceful citizens are you, but nevertheless israel, as i have already said, takes into account all these questions with our. American partners with egypt, with anyone another country that wants to be an intermediary and possibly give us some information about kidnapped Israeli Citizens who are now in the sector. Mr. Yevgeny, please tell me, there was also information yesterday that israel, sorry, iran, threatened that if israel starts a ground operation in the gaza sector, then iran can interfere in all this as much as it can be serious, what can iran. Present now, or, is it dangerous . Well, first of all, iran is not the first time threatening the state of israel, lets start with this, and his request will intervene or not, really, it is absolutely uninteresting to us, because this is the only thing. The state today, which is a member of the un and which openly speaks of its goal to destroy, as they say, the zionist establishment, they do not even mention the word israel, therefore, one of us is at war with iran, and we are at war with iran, we are at war with iran on the territory of syria, and by the way, a lot has been said about this in recent days, because iran supports both hamas and islamic jihad, this in general, the proxy group in the gas sector, and of course the shiite group hezbollah, which is recognized as a terrorist group in many countries of the world, so iran understands the situation. That on the one hand they somehow support hamas, threaten the second front, but on the other hand, here we must pay tribute to our american partners, who said that if hamas and hezbollah and iran try to intervene, then of course america will not be on the sidelines and will not watch here as we wage a war on two fronts, although israel is capable of waging a war on two fronts, that is, i am not throwing slogans here, i am talking about the fact, yes, that is , israel is an independent state, with a strong army, with a strong air force, irans statement should not be taken seriously. In the context of our actions in gaza. Moreover, i believe that if we bring the operation in gaza to the point of total destruction of hamas, it will be a good lesson for iran, first of all, because hezbollah will be next in line. There were different reports about the alleged iranian head midas traveling here arranged in the middle east. There is no need to comment on the statement of the country that considers israel as the first target for destruction. Therefore, unfortunately, we have relations with iran, iran was a strategic ally of israel until the ayats came, until the Islamic Revolution came, which they are now spreading all over the world, in the middle east, and there are other countries too azerbaijan, for example, is a state that is located like a sandwich, you know, between russia and iran, they are on this country all the time they are trying to spread some islamic ideas of the Islamic Revolution, i was in azerbaijan a month and a half ago, i heard from my colleagues, the civil parliament, how they are dissatisfied with the influence that iran is trying to spread, all these ideas are all these radical islam and so on furthermore, therefore, iran is the most dangerous state that destabilizes the situation in the middle east, that supports terrorist organizations, that supplies them with weapons, and iran and i are waging war on the territory of syria, and if necessary, i think that iran will feel all our strength , so it is better for iran to be whitewashed and not to threaten israel now in these difficult days, and the last questions for you, mr. Yevhen, look, you cant. Ask him, this is a question about russia, for example in the United States of america they say that they do not see russian interference in the course of this war, but it would be interesting to hear from you, an israeli politician, about what, what is said in israel itself, why i ask, because previously, for example, relations between putin and the Prime Minister of israel, Binyamin Netanyahus newbies were pretty good, i would say so, but thats when it started. This war, putin somehow distanced himself from it, moreover, on the contrary, he blames israel for the fact that israel started it, and vice versa , somehow indirectly takes it, takes the side of hamas itself, so what does this say to israel, does russia have such an influence . Yuri, when you talk about the intervention, that is, russias interference, it is necessary to divide here, many are dissatisfied, and i am also dissatisfied with the reaction of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the event, because it puts. On one bowl of scales, a brutal attack by terrorists killing peaceful citizens, children, women, old people, this is just a needle , in russia the Islamic State is a prohibited organization, and if today in russia, journalists must emphasize every time when they talk about needles, they say a group banned in russia, look, let the russian diplomacy look at the situation in the kibbutz near the gas sector, where our military purges later entered and carried out a sweep. Found the flags of the Islamic State, because some militants of the Islamic State were in the gas sector, and i know that many in russia came to the middle east to fight, and it is possible that many of them who were there, i do not have specific information, i am only saying that we know, and i know many years ago, we had cases when, even in israel , the israeli Shabak Security Service detained russianspeaking citizens of israel who converted to islam, and very strongly. Promoted the ideas of the Islamic State, if igil is banned in russia, grouping, and hamas behaved worse than igil and even worse than the nazis, then why do you put the scales on the same scale and make such, you know, duplicitous statements, that is why the assessment of the israelis, in general, is relative to midas statement or there, i do not know individual stories on russian tv channels, she it is certainly negative, but it is not necessary to mix it with concrete accusations, including about the possible. Because this is already a serious accusation, and you know, not only the military, but politicians always minimize extra risks, especially when we are talking about a country that after all, it is considered a state that still has influence in the world, so no one here wants to just throw accusations like that, we heard someone somewhere with all due respect to your ukrainian media, you know, i give a lot an interview with the media, information leaked somewhere in the ukrainian media, here we will take it now and accuse you , lets be cautious about such statements, especially when these statements are made by an official person, thats who i am as a member of the knesset, but if proven, trust the special services, there are enough ways to find evidence, god forbid, i emphasize this, god forbid there will be. Some kind of connection, which you describe, then believe me, the israeli authorities, the israeli leadership have a clear plan, how to convey this with what message report to the russian leadership, because these are red lines that no one crosses, but these are all speculations, so why now build an answer to those speculations for which we ourselves do not have clear evidence at this stage, and maybe not even will, so leave the relationship soap it has always been, but it has never been so proisrael, even from the time of the soviet union, and then from the time of russia , here is the thing that concerns the active interference of the usa, now we see how the americans are helping us, well, this is the relationship between washington and moscow, it is no longer ours, it is not our level, let them figure it out there themselves, our task now is to protect our citizens, to bring the operation to the end to show the whole world that israel is an independent state that knows how to protect its citizens with the gas sector. Sir egen, i wish you, your country, to finish everything from start to finish, i wish you victory. It was yevhen sova, a politician, a member of the israeli knesset. So, before introducing a new guest and a new topic, let me take a look at our facebook page, which is viewed by thousands. 146 people added, thank you to everyone who watches us, not only on facebook, but also on the air, at least where we have not been turned off by the current government from the air, please put your likes, write your comments, it is very important for us , we need to hear what you think, but this is also it is important for the promotion of both the Youtube Channel and the network, in the complex youtube algorithm, the more likes or more comments, the more people will have the opportunity to watch us. Well, now there is one more topic, important, i would say, very important topic for ukrainians, it is the parliamentary elections in poland, which took place the day before. Why is it important . And because recently, just the relations between ukraine and poland somehow cooled a little, if, for example, at the beginning of the war, and even at the end. A year after the start of the war, we saw this one friendly, very friendly relations, but lately because of the ukrainian grain, because of certain statements, these relations have cooled a little, what will happen after the elections, i want to talk about this with my next guest, this is dariusz materniak, a polish expert on international issues, head of the polandukraine center. Mr. Dariush, i congratulate you, good day, good day, congratulations, i thank you very much for joining. To the program, please tell me, well, yesterday we saw the results of the exit poll right after the elections were over, and according to these results the party right and justice, ruling party law and justice, party, opposition, opposition party, donald tusk, not much, but will lose, but i read that if she agrees with other parties that also. Lost on this in this election , but if donald tusky comes to an agreement with these parties, then it may turn out that the winners, that is, law and justice , may not ge