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ESPRESO July 3, 2024

Church, especially now, because, unfortunately , there are a lot of moscow agents and sympathizers in the authorities, but the essence of the problem is in the authorities, i was finally convinced of this when i met with mykhailo the next morning pavlyuk, it was Serhiy Trofimov who came to remove him from the post of regional head, and the odious nikita also complained about him, because just a year before zelensky was elected , the land of bukovyna almost went under the black. The situation began to change from the 18th year, when ukraine received the tomos, when we received the Orthodox Church of ukraine, by the way, the first visit of the blessed epiphanius as head of the Ukrainian Church was to bukovyna. When you were in charge of the executive here, how many such transitions were registered . We did the almost impossible, we did 32 separate transitions, these were very difficult discussions, conversations, it was crazy pressure. Firstly, political, and secondly, such a purely personal, copper one, which was carried out, after you left the post of acting responsibilities, how many transitions were there during this entire period from the end of the 19th year to the 23rd year there were six transitions, from chernintsi we left for hutsul region, right here on. In tsulchyn i met mykola gergylyuk, the village of verkhnia yaseniv, verkhovyna, here in ivanofrankivsk region, it would seem that there should be completely different problems, because ivanofrankivsk region is after all galicia, not bukovina, where there are many Russian Churches, but even here we face similar problems, we will not only talk about this now, the continuation of the story of mykola grigoryuk is extremely interesting, in fact it is the beginning of a new story. A temple holiday in the carpathians is always colorful and bright. Hutsuls are dressed in festive costumes, men hold embroidered fans in their hands. The whole village came to the church, many priests came, but this time the holiday in verkhnyi yasinov is not like always. The collar threads with which the clothes of the hutsuls are embroidered are not joyful in their souls. They meet a Church Without michael gregeluk, who two years before the invasion became a priest and together with his father , also michael, served here in this we must prove that we are not slaves, but we are free people, as god created adam and eve in 2018, i already filmed in this church, then we made a series of films about the hutsul churches of the verkhovsky district. It happened that they got into the church just in time for the veil. There were a lot of people who served the panehid near stele for the Fallen Soldiers of the entire village. Righteous father mykhailo, his son mykhailo. Son mykola was also here then, a future victim, these are soldiers who put their lives on the battlefield. Five years have passed, we are again at the grave, again talking about the dead, this time about mykhailo too. Glory to jesus christ, glory to ukraine, i sincerely thank you, dear fathers, who came to the church today and held a Memorial Service for the innocently murdered, priest, chaplain, mykhailo my son. He died innocently, but his brothers are known for this death, and these damn muscovites, who want to enslave us all, they can do it, because every death, whoever dies , a hero warrior, inspires other warriors, their brothers, to defeat. This muscovite army, to destroy them, otherwise, they want to destroy us as a nation , we know this well, thats why the price is so high. The late mykhailo, like his older brother mykola, went to war in 2014. When the hostilities in the east abated a little, the brothers volunteered, after the invasion they returned to the front. As a ukrainian, tamara gergelyuk is proud of her sons, but as a mother, she would like them to have someone else destiny do you know what mykolas first lullaby was, to which he fell asleep, there were many lullabies, but this was his favorite, oh , what a pity, the cossacks are coming, maybe really, if i was there i sang some lullaby to him, hums flew in, maybe he wasnt like that, i think so, sometimes its very hard for me, its very painful that my children are fighting so actively, i wish my son was by my side, the seriously ill person would help me, but no, theyre there and im here tamara bitterly remembers mykhailos last journey home, somewhere along the way, still in bukovina, a parishioner of the russian Orthodox Church, having learned that the late chaplain ptsu was begging, thats how he should be, its from how many kilometers away, we communicate with them, we cross paths in everyday life at the bazaars and so on, people sometimes say unreal things, well, thats just strange, you know, somehow im observant. I was in the store, and the salesman in all seriousness convinced me that in the verkhovinsky district , the Orthodox Churches are all closed, and he does not know that i am from the verkhovinsky district, and he says, you know, there is no word of god there, the orthodox are there churches closed, i say you know, three hours ago, at least at it was opened to yasynov, because my husband was on duty, and i was on vacation, so it was opened because i entered the door. And people really believe this, why propaganda, propaganda has an extremely great influence, and that bukovyna, even gotsulshchyna, was not completely free from the russian spiritual occupation, already after the invasion, the late mykhailo gergelyuk, together with his brothers, came to help the community of the moscow temple in verkhovyna go to the Ukrainian Church. Earlier, the hutsuls also liquidated the roc in the village of holo. In your opinion, is the existence of the Russian Church in us became one of the reasons for the start of this war . Without a doubt, without a doubt, but how, why . Well, because the church holds the power, the government holds the church, and you understand, if they conduct politics through the church, the church inspired new people, inspired them into the sanctity of the russian government, the sanctity of the russian government, well, because this is part of their ideology, the autocracy, that is what man and people believed they believed in it. And they believe, well, they dont have real thinking, lets put it this way, i have quite such a hard character, forbidden, completely forbidden, far from everyone who wants, well, dreams to live in russia, to speak russian, to attend a moscow church, i would even agree to compensate for leaving ukraine, and go and be happy. And those who speak the ukrainian language and want to live in ukraine, but go to church, do you think they will go to the Ukrainian Church, i think so , i think so, if it were banned, eventually it will be like this, so they will go , it rains in the carpathians , when you walk between these mountains, you have the impression that everything is frozen here and nothing ever changes, but in fact changes come here during warrior, the First World War brought destruction here, the front line passed here, life after. The First World War changed completely. The Second World War brought the destruction of the local population, first by the germans, and then by the soviets, who sent the local people to siberia, destroyed faith, religion, tried to destroy traditions, miraculously it was preserved, now the war is going on again. What changes will come after this war . Lets see. We came here to poltava not by chance for many, especially in the center of the russian empire, poltava was the place of russian glory, imperial propaganda began here, because it was here that the russian peace defeated all the european aspirations of ukrainians, in fact for ukrainians it is the center of the ukrainian language, the kyivpoltava dialect, this is the city of kotlyarevsky, it is here in the center of ukraine that no transition has taken place since receiving the tomos. From the russian Orthodox Church to the Orthodox Church of ukraine. It is not for nothing that this city was considered by many to be poor, although in reality it is not. What is happening here in church and public life, we will find out bishops service in the holy assumption cathedral of the Orthodox Church. Metropolitan fyodor glorifies the faith, hope and love of the early christian martyrs and their mother sophia, for the first time in the new julian style. Today, the martyr is the entire ukrainian people, says the bishop in his sermon. Today, satan is doing his lawlessness through the russians, he supposedly reigns, killing people, unleashing this war through these russian nazis. Its like satan. Triumphs, but our task is to carry this cross with the understanding that we have in these difficult days, years, months, serving our neighbor, showing love for the love of god, and then it will make sense, and then we will pass these tests and be victorious, just as christ himself defeated satan. Vladyka, today during the liturgy service, i saw that there are much more. People in the church than there were before the war, it seemed so to me, is it true that people have started going to the Ukrainian Church more now . You know, i think that the number of people has increased, but this is a very bright fact, this is a renewal, we have completely renewed, if you can say so, composition of our believers, a lot of new people came, and really a lot of people who used to go to moscow churches came, today they go. To the Ukrainian Church, they discover the Ukrainian Church for themselves, because they came with such fear, with by those stereotypes imposed there by the priests of the Russian Church, but poltava still has the majority in terms of the number of churches, i am not saying in terms of the number of parishioners, but in terms of the number of churches, the majority, yes, a lot of churches were transferred there in the 90s, on beginning in the 2000s, the authorities transferred it to these communities, so they are definitely in the majority in poltava. In relation to the churches, in relation to the faithful, here is the question, there are priests who hesitate and wait for orders from above, well, there is the hierarchy of the moscow patriarchate, which is engaged in the russian world, and i think that there are many agents there, russian passports, and this is what the Security Service revealed, so the hierarchy restrains this process by any means, and puts pressure on priests, priests put pressure on people, but. People, if, breaking through this pressure, all things being equal, are the driving force of this process, and what would happened, if the Russian Church was banned in one way or another, it is difficult for me to say, of course, it could be, as even now someone would gather there and shout about persecution, as today they are trying to develop it, that persecution is christ, although this is about the security of the state, because this church, russia used this. Its structure in inciting war. Girkin was among the guards of the relic in the 14th year, which was carried around the crimea and ukrainekhov, so called, i have an association with the trojan horse. And he said that in the first guard that captured slavyansk, there were also a lot of monks, russian, monasteries, they were a stronghold, they imported weapons and fighters into these monasteries, because it is such a closed territory, no one touches, there you can hide all my personal security, it consisted of spiritual sons, monks, iromonakhs in the svyatogorsk lavra, completely down to the last man, one of the divisions in the slavic brigade was commanded by a novice of the svyatogorsk lavra, and a novice who occupied enough a serious situation in lavria, but economically, the orthodox people of novorossiya of the russian donbass, standing under our banners, were one hundred percent confident. That they fulfill their duty to the faith, and we stood up for the faith of the fatherland, this was the slogan of the militia, in poltava the russian weapons did not reach the monasteries and churches of the russian Orthodox Church, perhaps because the russian army did not reach poltava, that is what the leaders of the Ukrainian Community are organizing poltava, with whom i met on the lawn, here near the feast of the assumption cathedral, mr. Mykola kolchynskyi, one of the founders of the national movement, former dissident, and now active. And a politician and writer, natalya granchak, one of the leaders of the volunteer movement of ukraine and a battalion of caring people, one of the largest ukrainian Public Organizations, yulia horochannina, also a volunteer, also a public figure and also a politician, because she is a member of the city council, poltava, such a very difficult place , there were always a lot of retirees here, and when i went to poltava, i tell people that i love poltava so much, and they tell me how lively this city is , what you like there, who you go to there, what is the role of the Russian Church in that this city. They are called vatnym, here in general, is important, the role of this church is reactionary and very strong in poltava, they have a strong position, not only in poltava, but everywhere. Oblast, in general, the Russian Church itself was never a religious institution, it always justified all the crimes of the empire, and there is also a branch of the opc of the moscow patriarchate, and in fact it is the Russian Church, in the first two months the cathedral did not work at all, it was simply laid things of help, we did not make announcements, everyone trusted the church, services were held in a small bell tower, them it just had to happen, they happened, everything was laid by the humanitarian here like an anthill, like a swarm of bees, and what was happening in Russian Churches at that time . Nothing, they are to a lesser extent, they were closed, they were waiting, if transitions are still taking place in the region despite the resistance of the authorities, then in poltava , since receiving the tomos, not a Single Church has come out of russian captivity, and even the invasion did not change the situation, in gadyach, in lubny , the sbu conducted searches, and they also found russian literature, and this is at this time, not once there for 10 years. You wont ban them, you the government . This is a great question, but probably also in the other direction, no, no, actually in that direction , we recently literally discussed it a few days ago, our council finally accepted an appeal to the Verkhovna Rada, to the president , in order to finally adopt a law and to ban churches, because when local councils do it, it is about declaring a position, but there is no legitimacy in such decisions, and i do not want to imitate, pretend, tell people, look, well done, they banned the church, nothing actually happened, everyone continues to work, no you can deceive your people, and that is why we are turning to the Verkhovna Rada so that finally, i dont know how much longer it can be postponed, but we voted for your project, finally, on the third attempt in the city council, on the fourth attempt in the regional council, finally voted, but it is already under the pressure of the people, and i believe that the Verkhovna Rada should adopt your bill, and it is long overdue and the state needs a state bronze in this matter. 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