Aid, including weapons, which also count as financial aid, in a big way account, therefore separate decisions will be made, now the question of providing less than 2 billion dollars for aid to ukraine is being considered, and they want a package, well, President Biden is proposing to congress, and both parties and republicans, democrats, apparently , do not mind voting on a package for 100 million billion dollars for the aid of ukraine and israel at the same time, how will 100 million billion be distributed among themselves, er, well, even if it is half for half, then this is already a very substantial aid, although i am sure the israelis say so, that it is more ukraine needs funding, because we have a largerscale war and, of course, we also need weapons more, and mr. Oleksiy, this single package, yes, the only package that should provide for the needs until the next president ial election in the United States. Well, the package will not even be handed over immediately, it will be like these million shells, it will be gradually , it will be implemented, just a billion, you know, we are like a million billion, not everyone understands how big a sum of billions is, to visualize it like that , if you take a million seconds, then it will be 11 days, if you take a billion. Seconds, then it will be 32 years, ugh, that is, a billion is a lot, we are a million, a billion, well, in the context of the war, we are a billion billion in a different way, once again a billion is thousands of millions, us, we lets say 200 million thats fine, and a billion is, well, people are a little bit mathematical, i understand, a billion is thousands of millions, once again, a billion seconds is 32 years, a million seconds is 11 days, well, thats it, lets play a little in mathematics, and lets join stanislav in our conversation zhelehovsky candidate of political sciences, experts of the internationalist, mr. Stanislav, we welcome you, congratulations, the studio, actually , to begin with, lets give an assessment, we will ask you to give an assessment of this 16th meeting within the framework of ramshtein and how effective it was, that you perhaps the fact that the president of ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyi visited it for the first time, it also has a certain significance , please, but really, the 16th meeting in the romstein format was held in brussels, including about 50 countries, led by the United States of america, and i too i share it, thats a lot it is important that the president of ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy visited this event for the first time, and he had the opportunity to communicate with representatives of the member countries of the north atlantic alliance, as well as other states that have entered into this format, and i believe that this is a very important aspect given that , that now ukraine is in an extremely important phase of confrontation with the Russian Federation, this is especially important on the eve of the winter period, when ukraine desperately needs those types of weapons that could be used in more difficult weather conditions conditions, and here it is also worth understanding that a lot was said at these meetings about antiaircraft, and this is also important before the winter before the winter period, given that there is a very high probability that the kremlin will again start attacking ukraines critical infrastructure, including its energy sector, and in order for ukraine not to plunge into a new continuous blackout, so that the state could function and continue to fight against russian aggression, it is very important that we receive, precisely, an antiaircraft and antimissile shield that would be able to protect the territory of our states, of course, here we can look for a lot of pros and cons, which were in view of the decisions that were made in brussels, but in my opinion it is very important that this meeting did take place, especially in the context of what is now very is a vulnerable geopolitical security situation , and here there is, first of all, it is worth mentioning that there is a new outbreak of conflict in israel, and this , of course, can negatively affect aid to ukraine, and it is very important that our allies decided to prove , that this is not so, well, we must also understand what is in this a key ally of ukraine, such as the United States of america, is undergoing its own internal political processes, and now ukraines aid there is also somewhat on hold, especially in the context of the adoption of a new budget by the us congress, and there are still many other challenges, so it is good that the meeting took place, what happened, what happened, what went well, mr. Stanislav, maybe you can help us figure out why there, for what purpose and how did the fact that Volodymyr Zelensky was present there, yes, this is a meeting at the level of defense ministers, at first glance as if not the scale of the president , i think that in view of the importance that i just spoke about, it was, this decision was perceived , lets say, literally in the last time, because there was no rumor anywhere that the president of ukraine would be personally present, really only the heads of the defense departments were supposed to be present there, i think that in order to strengthen the position of ukraine and convey what is happening at the front, what is ukraines vision of transitioning through this winter period and, in general, what is the vision of victory over the Russian Federation, and it was it was decided that president Volodymyr Zelensky was personally present, accordingly, given that it was no longer possible to change the regulations and the agenda in general in a short period of time, then of course the ministers of defense were already there, but i do not think that it was some kind of imbalance on the sidelines of this meeting, on the contrary, i think that it only strengthened the position of ukraine and, accordingly, these representatives could convey to the governments of their countries what ukraine requires, what is the vision of its. Further situation, well, in general , especially against the background of all these outbreaks which are taking place in the world, it is very important that ukraine was able to take part and even at the highest level. In fact, mr. President also met with jens stoltenberg, the head of nato, and how important was this meeting, mr. Oleksiy, in your opinion, what could it be about, because we understand the details, they will not divulge, well, maybe they will appear later, of course will appear, the fact is that the negotiations between the general secretary of the national army, anson stolping, and the president of the country, it will most likely agree, to agree on some positions on supplying us, well, certain ones, well, i understand that i am speaking in general, but this is still the head of nato, i think that on the level, well, come on, there is no nato that can provide us with no nato weapons, come on, there are weapons of countries , which are part of the Alliance Block and you cant ask nato for help, is it possible to cooperate, it will be better that way, because it somehow looks like help, it is cooperation with certain countries, the United States, germany, well, all those 31 countries, it does not decide the supply issue, but it has some influence on other countries, i dont think so countries may not be like that. Well, he has an influence on all countries, but the president conducts talks directly with germany, france, britain, the United States, and somewhere, here, i understand that there may be talks with other countries, because it is not possible, it is impossible for the president to cover all 31 nato countries, to hold negotiations with each of them, there are other matters that, well , we have to deal with, apart from this, so maybe he wanted, mr. Zelensky, with the help of stolteng to somehow, well, not influence. More simpler communications, well, maybe it was agreed there, that our minister of defense navitnya should go to these countries and negotiate with them there, let it be like a small country, well, any country there, even finland, but there is not a large amount of weapons there, but even finland, well, for example, finland, it can be some winter things, there is a small estonia, there can be some certain things, that is, everything by itself is one position, it does not solve the issue, but in the complex, when it is the zenith. Everything is in the complex will give us the opportunity to hold off this winter missile attacks of the Russian Federation to continue offensive actions to hold the defense where the enemy is trying to , its natural, people get tired, every day there is a war in ukraine, every day there is a war in ukraine, its a little bit, you know, as they say, the eye becomes cloudy, so it is necessary to constantly remind that this is a largescale war, very serious combat operations are taking place, so that attention , as they say, no, no, no paused and not because of me. Thats why its normal, its normal actions, its quite possible here, its to be congratulated, mr. Stanislav, how do you assess the meeting, what could it be about, its clear that you usually asked about whether the situation in israel would affect aid to ukraine in support of ukraine. Mr. Stolteng assured, of course, that he did not, but despite Everything Else that could be discussed, well, i agree with the fact that the alliance itself does not have its own weapons, only the member countries, and it is important here that president zelenskyi met with many representatives of nato member countries, but still, the position of the secretary general is very important, especially in the political context, and i think that, first of all, this meeting was important because the secretary general entered his new term, and here it is worth understanding that back in the summer there were debate, whether at all, stotenberg should be left in this position, because he himself preferred to leave it. But still, taking into account that the current difficult situation, he agreed to stay, i think that there were also certain coordinations on how the next year will take place cooperation between ukraine and the north atlantic alliance, this is firstly, secondly, it is important to understand that this term of stolteng falls on the anniversary, summit of the north atlantic alliance. Which will take place next year in washington, and it is also important, because it is possible that even more important decisions will be made there for kyiv, in particular regarding its european integration, than, for example, it was the summit in vilnius, so it too, it should be taken into account, well , of course, i think that, too, they really rose there, not only those who are now potential, well, those hot spots that have flared up again now, but also potential ones, and here it is worth understanding that the situation in the balkans is rather unstable, and here it is worth understanding the kosovo dimension, and of course, we are all watching the possible flareup of the situation in the far east, especially around the island of taiwan, and of course it is also worth remembering about the south caucasus, where the situation is still. Far from over, not yet ruled out, and even the United States is predicting a new outbreak of violence between azerbaijan and armenia, this is also worth considering , so i think everyone these situations, which are now in a complex, both in the context of hostilities and in the field of politics, were discussed between zelenskyi and stolt, in order to actually reconcile, how in the future we all should cooperate together and repel new and new threats. In general, gentlemen, here is another issue that i would like to discuss, in particular, we are waiting for longrange missiles from our partners from the United States and from germany. However, another ramshtein again, another meeting with the ministers of defense, in general absolutely, something has quieted down on the part of transmissions from america, and from berlin as well. What do you both think, if possible, your points of view, i would like to hear why this topic is constantly raised, discussed in some way, we see some insiders in the western media, we see the statements of the political elite, after that there is a decline again, then again for some time must be in the press, then they forget about it again, and what could it be connected with and when, do we have the prospect of seeing these longrange missiles in the near future, mr. Oleksiy, lets start with you, well, lets lets start with germany, the fact is that tauris missiles, well, germany is the second country in the number of weapons, but, in germany , well, i heard recent sociological or other surveys there, well, sociologically, but in what way were they conducted, did not report that approximately half of germans believe that it is not necessary to help ukraine the way germany does it, only a third, in order to help ukraine and continue to help, and of course they did not determine 20 . That is, the minority of people in germany, this is the question, why so it happened where we did not finish, where where russian propaganda worked very well, maybe there are Many Russians who are probably looking in the direction of the United States, well, people, i think they are not looking, they are looking, chancellor, they were looking that people, you know, according to this poll, how many percent of people are in favor of handing over tauris to us, 18 , that is, it is very little, so the chancellor, he must act on behalf of all germans, we understand what we need, we understand that we right, but you see, for some reason this happens. That three only a third are for the transfer of any weapons, and half are against, and these are also very strange things, the same applies to, er, feelings of guilt, maybe among the germans, but then the position of certain, for example, football clubs such as borussia, munich is unclear hlabekt, about the fact that they officially support hamas, that is, these are strange things , so it seems to me that you should not scold in scholz, but you should understand that the balance is not so, he is doing what, by and large, needs to be done, but im sure hes losing his political ratings, thats for sure longrange atap missiles in the United States, well, there too, i dont know the statistics, what percentage of americans, i think that more than in germany, although it is strange, supports our country, but, as lloyd austin said, here is the only person , who said as they are, that this is not the supply of these missiles to us, this is a political issue and the issue is not, not in our country, in the United States itself, well, maybe it is connected with the Election Campaign that has just started, lets get mr. Stanislav, lets hear what could be wrong political, lets say, obstacles on the way of ukraine to, more precisely, on the way of longrange attack missiles from to ukraine, well, if we take the context of the United States of america, then we really see there now, there are very serious internal political processes, actually. It is ukraine that has recently become their hostage, and in particular the possible supply of longrange missiles, we must understand that there is a certain category of politicians who advocate for ukraine to receive less weapons in general, and of course, this is primarily flirting with the voters, and there are many of them, for example in the republican party, and actually, i think that it is possible because of this, there is so far a certain deterrence on. This type of weaponry, well, and we also have to understand that there are even such narratives where it is still quite strange for us sound, but they still take place, for example, the fact that the possible delivery of these missiles can cause an even greater outbreak of the conflict, and actually its new phase, and this actually deters them, well, and also some determine that in general in the United States , there are quite a few such attacks, so there is an assumption that the decision has already been made in principle and it is possible that even this was discussed during the meeting of the us president joseph biden and volodymyr, and the president of ukraine during his visit to the usa, but so far this has not been officially disclosed, and it is also said that it is possible the decision was made to deliver nonbodyattack missiles, which we are for. We usually talk about, which have, lets say, one warhead and which fly 300 km, and this is true, to put it simply, actually these are missile shells which have, cluster warhead and have a somewhat shorter range, well, in fact, it is difficult to say here until there is some information from the front of hostilities, where it was possible to see the use of such types of missiles, or actually, maybe they have yet to come and maybe we will hear officially about such a decision, but i i think that until the usa actually makes this decision and until it is known to its western partners, countries such as germany will also not rush to provide their taurus, this is the way it was done, for example, in the context of providing tank equipment for of ukraine and other combat systems, that is, they actually focus on their main partner to the north. To the atlantic alliance, but i think that this type of weaponry will be provided to ukraine and will be successfully used against russian troops, because everyone understands that if ukraine is not given these powerful types of weaponry, then this can only contribute to the fact that the conflict will only drag on a longer time, and therefore it will be much more expensive both for ukraine and for the entire civilized world. Mr. Stanislav, actually, lets go lets also talk about how unexpectedly pleasant this aid from about 50 countries in the amount of 33 billion dollars for security for ukraine was, since all this was happening, the 16th ramstein was happening i already said, in parallel with the war that hamas unleashed in israel, in parallel with statements that it is possible that the aid of the United States, israels western partners , will somehow affect the aid to ukraine, perhaps reduce it, in the situation in the american congress, when there are disputes, to provide a large, voluminous package of aid to ukraine, it is possible not to provide it at all, to refuse it, and here suddenly we see that 33 billion dollars. On security,