Was really an antisystem politician, we all understood with our minds that they would not let him go alive, they were very upset about him. But they released khodorkovsky at one time, and khodorkovsky plus or minus sat quietly. Its not that its quiet, because after all, khodorkovsky was released from a different time, the regime was different. Now we are dealing with an almost complete totalitarian system. I emphasize, totalitarian. Let me remind you, at the end of 2013, when khodorkovsky was formally amnestied, i dont remember exactly, it seems that this was the question. Why was this done . Because it was done at a time when moscow had to depict something with the olympics. At that time, the olympics were held, even then the authoritarian, personalist regime of putin was fighting for some relations with europe, allies. Partners, now after the war, after half a million dead there in ukraine, what is the point of depicting something . I can well imagine the conversation between patrushev, who is the main protagonist of all these cruel measures, and putin in the zvayno dispute, the head of the administration of the president of the russian federation, and krienko, the first deputy in charge of domestic policy. And what should we be afraid of, we are already war criminals. But by killing a person, we solved the problem, prevented riots during the election, and took away some of the headache. We act like this now, we are now satraps, thieves, why should we portray anything . And this proves that before they depicted, and with khodorkovsky they depicted too. Putin has changed into a different guise, now he does not need to portray anything, because everything fades against the background of the war. One death of navalny turns into an ordinary single manifestation against the background of the statistics of the terrible war in ukraine, which is not yet over, this page is not closed, if they killed half a million, how many more will they kill in the next two years, thats what were talking about, so i think that feeling this degree, it was precisely the reflection that became less, thats all. Well. But there should be appropriate answer, so we understand that in a couple of weeks the procedure for putins selfappointment to the position he illegitimately occupies will take place, and on the other hand, the question of recognition, so putin will self appoint, you understand, with the addition of the murdered navalny around his neck, you understand, and what, hides our a wonderful collective event, how will they address it, Dear Dictator , or is there a dear person who has seized power, illegally. He holds it by force and so on, thats how it will be, is it possible for them to do everything because of this output, for example, from radbe, from the organization of the United Nations due to the fact that they seized power in russia in an illegitimate way. Before navalnys murder, the version that will simply remain unreacted was more likely to dominate. I dont think we re going to hear from officials, like the white house in washington or president macron or anyone else. Direct articulation of the topic of the elections and their consequences with a call not to recognize putin as a legitimate president , why . They then, i think, and now they will not remove the justification in the form of the fact that if we do not recognize him as a legitimate president , then how we will negotiate peace, that is, not because they do not consider it legitimate, because they know very well what the elections in russia are, they know very well what this regime is, for them the real methodology is much more acceptable in view of the choice means of response, you will say that it is possible not to recognize, and then to recognize, as was the case with lukashenko, the situation is different here, because putin. Represents a significant threat to europe, so they do not want to anger him. Here is a simple example more than once, i and my colleagues talked with senior and junior gutkovs, with other people, with representatives of the French Ministry of foreign affairs, with macrons adviser, also talked about this topic, literally in the fall of 2023, they talked about whether they would recognize or not, how they would react. Unofficially, we were told that this issue is difficult and debatable. We asked if president macron could accept the russian opposition as an alternative to the selfproclaimed fuhrer . And the answer was no, the subtext was, what is the point of draining putin . Because by recognizing some alternative, you take on the responsibility and risks that the west has so far do not dare to take on the general atmosphere. If it was when. European armies to ukraine, there is no unity on any issue in the direction of the connection with some kind of arms supply. Look at the discussion between scholz and macron, there is no unequivocal unity about the aid to the victorious end that the American Administration has been announcing. There is no unity, and this is the main thing. There must be a general unity and position which is impossible now. Mark, well, i agree with that, this is an extremely important point, well, going back to the exclusion of russia from the council of the un, there you can it would be simple to freeze its membership, so to find out the circumstances, but, going back, so to speak, to one or another changes, we understand our. Time, when adolf loizovich started to really burn there, himmler started rushing around, and nothing was started not with hitler, but they started talking with himmler, and himmler began to offer, let me start releasing the imprisoned jews in concentration camps, let me change this for you, let me change this for you, proposals and so on, well, it all started already literally a couple of months before collapse, but we understand that in the kremlin politburo there are. Quite such powerful historiosophists, so they sent carlson, you know, carlson came with unknown what and left with some kind of folder in which documents, correspondence, you understand, were placed, as it were khmelnytskyi with oleksiy tsar , you know, moscow and what, but what was really there, it is not known, maybe there were some secret plans, offers, i dont know, vouchers for a couple of billion bucks, who knows who searched that carlson . These are all negotiations or longdistance relationships bound by the longstanding connection and sympathy of moscow. And they are connected with trump. If, for example, we are talking about elections. Trump himself declares that he is ready and able to negotiate with putin within 24 hours on the issue of ukraine. Personally, i do not understand what is meant by this. Because trump has too. A limiter that he cannot go to, due to a number of different important reasons. He comes out of the opportunity to agree in the form of a compromise, that is, a compromise as a tool. You are 20, we are 80. Putin never negotiates like that. Putin always requires 100 . This is his completely different tactic. Therefore, negotiate in the Cayman Islands or elsewhere in the absence of methodology and principles of agreement. Trump , despite all the claims against him and his eccentricity, honestly understands the rules, but in politics the price of issues is different than in business. In business its money costs, and in politics its a nuclear war, its a commensurate scale, and i think they wont come to an agreement, so the time for real negotiations has not yet come. Moscow will wait for favorable Election Results in the usa will see if there will be an opportunity to come to an agreement, but from the point of view of ukraine, lets say, the situation does not change for itself, but it worsens in the external environment, but again, everything will depend on those opportunities that arise, and they are not provided in connection with the elections in the usa. I leave some percentage that trump will not be able to win the election. Well , mark, here you see such a moment, if trump has already been allowed to go this far, and no one, so to speak, no investigative operative, you know, Colorado State did not come. To him with handcuffs , you understand, for all those miracles that were created , so he can calmly drive to the finish line, on the other hand, we understand that, well, in principle, the kremlin would be interested not only, so to speak, you understand, in trump, which , i dont know, uh, closes the american membership in nato on the continent and removes certain responsibilities from the united states, theres still such a moment, you know, oklahoma farmers who start to take to the roads, well, were Something Like that. We see now in poland, in france, in germany, we understand, is the energy of the masses, it has always been used by the kremlin quite, quite successfully. Well, not predictable at all. Already here in the american press, in some publications, they write that the democrats also have their own plan, which is comparable to the storming of the capitol in the event of trumps victory. That is, worries cannot be avoided either in one case or another. This should also be understood. There is an element of revenge republicans who can succeed, i. E. Trump in the us elections, may well seek the satisfaction of revenge for what happened in the 2020 election and the associated storming of the capitol. We cannot say for sure how the American Society will perceive it, overcome this division due to trumps victory, because he is the one who splits. Lets even say directly that bidens victory, if. He stayed for a second term, would not cause the kind of consequences that trumps return can cause. You see, the return of trump after what has happened in recent years, i do not undertake to predict, because it is connected with the processes that go deep inside the american the establishment, which fears the arrival of trump. Maybe the Supreme Court will take it down or Something Else will happen, although i think that will be up to the voters, i think. That this is where american democracy still works, the case of john fit gerald kennedy, so to speak, reminds us that american democracy is unpredictable and predictable, of course i do not wish this on anyone, but there are such cases in american history. I meant that they might dare to take radical actions, but this is an exceptional option they shot not only the kennedys, they shot at reagan, for example, go figure it out too, then they admitted that the shooter was a madman. Again, these may not be theories of language that are implemented, but may be the impulsive action of some separate from tension escalating elements within the opposing camps. Probably, closer to the summer, we will understand where the movement will be, what the dynamics of the Election Campaign are, who has more chances, and from this there will be consequences for all players, as well as for the war in ukraine and for many other things, so we have to wait. Look, mark, what i wanted to ask you about. What, so to speak, are false alarms and another smoke screen sent by some or other russian unofficial and official persons, and once again they all remind about how ready they were in the kremlin, so to speak, to give in, to go to meeting and so on and so on, but no, insidious johnson, you see, ruined everything for them, we understand that this is delusion and propaganda, but they keep coming back to it, the kremlin uses all the levers. And as for individual statements, i would not pay so much attention to them, because the actions and strategies that the kremlin adheres to are important, and this is to press in seven possible ways, forcing the west to surrender ukraine. Surrender of ukraine can look in different ways, first of all forcing the kyiv leadership to start negotiations with moscow, acceptance of some kind. This is an opportunity to use pressure levers not only in ukraine itself, but also in the west. And in this sense , quite strange information is already beginning to appear about the speaker of the house of representatives, Trumpist Johnson , about his separate connections with business and personalities. Chair factory. Ugh. So, we have to wait and see. In any case, i cant imagine that moscow. Is not using all leverage and resources to achieve their goal, they have always acted through their agents, proxies, business and other sources. Otherwise, we will never explain the perversions that are happening with elon musk, because it is impossible to explain it by any normal criteria. Why does a person who is engaged in technology and business. Suddenly get involved in politics, why should he, he has nothing else to do except crimea, putin and Everything Else . Why is this a mask . Always everyone cases information is leaking out that something was unclean here, that there were some connections, primarily material ones, that influenced these political issues, a change of position, the creation of unions, and so on. See, for example, the role of abramovich. They say that even in the negotiations, in the exchange of krasikov for hershkovich and possibly navalny, abramovich also had something to do with it. And under other circumstances , they would not have talked to the abramovichs. He would not be such an intermediary, completely different tools would be at work. After all, direct contact is through the head of the special services. Example, the American Special services are negotiating with their counterparts from moscow through the same burns. Therefore, why are there any additional elements. Moscow will not stop and will continue to act in this direction. Thank you very much, mark, for this extremely interesting conversation. I would like to remind our tv viewers that mark feigin, a figure of the russian opposition in exile, a former member of the state duma, worked for them on espresso. Thanks mark. Thank you, everyone, all the best. The time of our program has run out, stay tuned to the espresso tv channel. My colleagues will inform you about all the most important events of the day. Take care of yourself and your loved ones. See you on air. Watch this week in the Collaborators Program with olena kononenko. Who headed the rashist organizations in the occupied territories . Under the protection of our friends, russian soldiers. But to whom did united russia entrust the fake mandates . The words of Volodymyr Volodymyrovych always resonate. Greetings, im olena kononenko, and this is a Collaborator Program about traitors who, following the call of their heart and soul, went to serve the rashi occupiers. Today will be a lot new faces of treason, who are asking to be slandered throughout the country, but lets start with the wellknown progenitor of music producer yuriy bardash. After the fullscale invasion, he fled the country and first hid in georgia. There, on the pages of his social networks, he compared ukraine with nazi germany, and called himself a russian. After that, bardash allegedly started receiving threats from the georgian legion, so the traitor decided to scratch. As long as im all the way to russia, i came here, roughly speaking, with a backpack, yes, ive been there before in moscow, but this time with the realization that i am here forever. In his telegram channel, a great expert and traitor. Bardash writes that it was the armed forces of ukraine that blew up kakhovsk hes and believes that the descendants of russia will study how a great power, standing on its knees, ruled the history of the whole world. I think no one will study it, because such a subempire must simply disappear. In addition to everything, bardash boasted that he would soon receive a russian passport and also change his name. And he called the glimpses of ukrainian patriotism that appeared in him a few years ago a coincidence. The phrase putin will fill us is a phrase that reassured ukrainians. They wanted me to tell them. And so the traitors dream finally came true. On january 23, he received the order. Passport with a chicken, there is nothing to be happy about, because he will soon lose his ukrainian citizenship. Now even a rooster in a Ukrainian Village has more rights and freedoms than bardash, for whom the door to the civilized world will finally close. Well, lets talk about those who are also trying with all their might to be useful for russia, to serve the noofur faithfully, such as 34yearold alina shamrai, who from july 2022 heads Russian Public Organization union of kerson mothers. The people of kherson region were finally able to get out of the backyards of ukraine and choose their own future. After watching this video, there are many doubts about the adequacy of a person and whether he has common sense. Although what am i talking about, what common sense do collaborators have . Until february 24, almost no one had heard of alina shamrai. But when the kherson region was occupied, the sleazy Russian Media began to write praises en masse. Odes about the union of the materials of kherson and his heads as it turned out, this organization cooperates with local gauleiters and promotes russian propaganda under the guise of the interests of children. As you ask, everything is very simple, through manipulation and lies. Shamrai begins to sing a song on camera about the desire of children to sleep peacefully in cribs, not in basements, to go to kindergarten and walk in parks under a peaceful sky without shelling, but at the same time he forgets one important thing. Detail, to say who exactly took away our childrens childhood, thanks to whom the little one hears explosions, and has to hide in shelters at night. Already now we are we feel safe. Under the protection of our friends, russian soldiers. The shamrai organization is financed at the expense of the occupation militarycivilian administration of the kherson region, and its members receive a salary in rubles. I dont even know how much you need to earn to say such frank vomiting on camera, although alina doesnt seem to need a lot, the main thing is that its enough for the little girl. As a nonexecutive director of the organization , shamray distributes leaflets kherson region future in the city. With russia and takes an active part in political events, calls to open educational institutions to integrate children into life under the tricolor cloth. As we used to do, we signed up , there was an electronic queue, but now i came for free, the child is satisfied in a group of 15 people, why not, sit at home and wait, or is it better to go, study and teach our children. In may, that year, the page of the office of the prosecutor general. Yesterday there was a report about the suspicion of shamrai, she faces up to 12 years in prison with