Gas, and now we are talking about ensuring that in the next sanctions package of the European Union, after all, these possibilities of purchasing liquefied gas and pumping, say, in ports, liquefied gas on tankers, do not take place in European Countries countries, i hope that once again those issues that relate to this. Esteemed oil, and issues that finally concern the need, we have been talking about this for a long, long time, the need to impose sanctions on ee on nuclear energy, the Russian Federation, all these things, they should be reflected in the next sanctions packages, and right here, well, we should clearly indicate where we see these problems, we should. Clearly indicate further where and which companies are currently abusing loopholes in the sanctions regime and taking maximum advantage of this, by the way, our lithuanian colleagues are now initiating like that, well like that a paneuropean discussion about the need to establish national, rather paneuropean legislation in the eu regarding how they should punish their own companies that violate the sanctions regime, or that continue to conduct trade in violation of sanctions with the Russian Federation , well , i hope that our lithuanian colleagues will not be the only ones in their proposals, and will not be left alone, and will receive support from others, but all this, unfortunately, always takes quite a lot of time. And we we see how trade with third countries from the European Union is growing suddenly, for example, with the same kyrgyzstan or uzbekistan, and we understand that this is not because interesting markets have appeared there, but precisely because some countries or some Companies Use these third countries to circumvent sanctions against russia. Thank you, mrs. Ivana, for the conversation, it was Ivanna Klympush tsinsadze, a member of the peoples deputy. Friends of ukraine, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. For those, who is watching us live there now. Please subscribe to our page and take part in our survey. Today we ask you about the following has your home been affected by the vialov Power Outages . Yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote. If you are affected by Power Outages, 0800 211 300. 81 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. Further we are in touch with mykola malomush, head of the Foreign Intelligence Service of ukraine in 200510, general of the army of ukraine, adviser to the president of ukraine. Mr. General, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. Congratulations, glory to ukraine. Glory to heroes. Mr. General, lets begin our conversation. From the situation in the Kharkiv Region, the intensity of hostilities has increased in the kharkiv direction, the situation has been partially stabilized, the clearing of the northwestern outskirts of vovchansk continues, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, the Defense Forces thwarted the plans of the army of russia as much as possible, to wedge as much as possible into the depths of the urban development of vovchansk. Today, president zelenskyi held an onsite meeting of the supreme commanderinchief, which was devoted to the main challenge. At the front, in particular the situation in kharkiv oblast. As of today, the situation in kharkiv oblast is generally under control, our soldiers are inflicting significant losses on the occupiers, but the direction remains extremely difficult. We are strengthening ours. Units, mr. General, attacking the north of kharkiv oblast, what are the russians trying to achieve . Well, first of all, us we see that strategically putin cannot fulfill the tasks that he set before his military, and of course, this is even the rotation of shoigu, a concrete example of the fact that those Strategic Tasks of capturing the donetsk, luhansk, and zaporizhzhia regions failed, so a new strategy will be compared today. Striking in other sectors with the aim of diverting large forces and means from the eastsouth direction, where we have prepared accordingly and have the prospect of counterattacks while already receiving military equipment the collection of ammunition and the enemy knew everything clearly, that is why we had intelligence information for several weeks that the enemy had identified two sectors, namely kharkiv and sumy regions, for conducting tactical offensive operations. Generated up to 45,000 units of different units of the Russian Armed forces there, but in order to strike at the beginning and in the Kharkiv Region, the storm did not succeed, because really the first sector was the kharkiv direction, three lines of breakthrough where they tried to pass, they were behind seven villages in the vicinity of vovchansk also entered to some extent a Meat Processing plant in the northern vicinity. But this is due to huge losses in three days , only 750 soldiers, representative forces, several dozens of armored personnel carriers and bmps, Radar Systems were lost, that is , the first phase of offensive operations was powerfully undermined, yes, in some sectors there were no powerful ukribriaons, because there were various reasons, maybe not, actively, some directions worked, but as a rule. It was under a powerful fire direction every day, the entire sector and not only near vovchansk, but on the whole, so to speak, border and the Kharkiv Region with the Russian Federation, therefore it will be extremely difficult to create means of defense, especially on the border, but the middle line of defense and the third line of defense are already powerful fortifications that give a hundred percent the prospect of powerful strikes on the enemy. And in a certain direction, which they managed to enter, because there were several sectors that they probed, simulated offensives, and entered precisely those that are already known to us today, in particular, one of the strategic ones is vovchansk, but we quickly planned the situation, raised new reserves, appointed a new commander who really had real experience and real combat achievements in the south, east of our country, and this led to just a new model of defense organization, counterattacks, striking just by means of fire from a distance, that is, these tactics in small groups, seizing certain territories or settlements, but we carried out operations to unblock, to carry out counterattacks on flags and to strike by means of fire reserves which were advancing, thats why the reserves were cut off and these. Massive attacks failed, and of course, this thwarted the possible strikes of sumy oblast, so i think that now yes, the forces are rushing to kharkiv oblast, because they set the task of breaking through at least in one sector , but in addition to the task of withdrawing our forces to the east from the south, because it was assumed that we would withdraw a number of special forces brigades and battalions, for example, from chasovoyar, the pokrov direction, from avdia. In the general direction, it is clear that the enemy will be able to seize time, move to konstantinka, to kramatorsk, to slanensk and other Populated Areas of the Donetsk Region to fulfill putins instructions to capture, at a time when we will be engaged in more powerful unblocking or striking in the direction of Kharkiv Region, but we did not withdraw resources, mainly for the action of the reserves and partially some special forces that were able to master the situation in. Kharkiv oblast, that is why the first component failed, that is to withdraw our reserves with the aim of advancing the front in the east or south. They attacked literally yesterday, and the day before yesterday, and today, and since from different sides, and the pokrovsky direction was activated, and i am trying to capture literally the same period, taking advantage of the fact that we do not have powerful reserves and special ammunition, which we mainly expect to use in the kharkiv direction. Mr. General. It is to create a klasdar for the offensive, the third component is to show the russian society, this is informational, that they capture something every day, and the fourth, the west, that russia. Returns largescale operations in other sectors, so that both western countries and during the meeting to show that there are no prospects in ukraine, and to agree to putins peace plan, this is a more Strategic Task related to these, precisely, breakthroughs in the kharkiv direction and an attempt somewhere to reach new landmarks in the east and south. Mr. General, analysts of the American Institute for the study of war say that the situation in kharkiv oblast. The world about the fact that the russians want to create a buffer zone there, or as a sanitary zone, putin himself once talked about it, that is, to make it possible to create such a section between ukrainian and russian border, which would not allow ukrainians to fire artillery on the territory of the Russian Federation. At the same time , in an interview with abc news, Volodymyr Zelenskyi says that russia will not be able to. Capture kharkiv, if we have two patriot systems and what is this opportunity to protect the second capital of ukraine or the first during soviet ukraine, is it the intention of the russians to besiege kharkiv, will they still limit themselves to this buffer zone, considering that that they did not even manage to take vovchansk in two or three in three days, as they planned. There are no buffer zones, there is only an entry into certain sectors in order to create a buffer zone, it is necessary to really gain some partial position along the entire line, so to speak, to demarcate the border, several hundred kilometers, it is simply unrealistic, the forces and means that he used more the consequences that we have today, in fact there are no buffer zones, there are separate cells where they occupied either part of vovchansk, or some villages that, so to speak, actually do not have. Significant value, this is not a buffer zone, we are conducting unblocking operations there, respectively, to clear them and we will destroy them there, no zones that would separate the borders, russia, the biogrot, it does not mean anything, we are reaching with our reserves and the means that were used there today for 80 km, with drones up to 2,000 km, tactical missiles, ukrainianmade also 2,500 km, that is, no buffer zone has been created there, and. There is nothing and nothing will be saved and the object is located on the territory of the Russian Federation, this is the first component, and the second, which we are talking about we say, there will be no encirclement of kharkiv, at with all due respect, what we are saying is that there really is a threat, petrio systems are needed there today in order to repel attacks by Ballistic Missiles, cruise missiles, s300 systems, air strikes by kabami, air strikes on helicopters themselves, in order for them to were not terrorized daily. Kharkiv, this is the main need for patriots, irises and samta today. These are the systems that protect kharkiv, they will create, uh, a battle whale, a fire one, and the radioelectronic systems that must be supplied by the americans, british, germans will create an electronic shield that will to disorient, drones, missiles, and a number of , so to speak, other strike groups that are controlled by radioactive, radioelectronic elements, so at the moment such a shield is real today. It is just a matter of defending kharkiv, but breaking through to kharkiv and besieging it is simply unreal. Today, there are no such forces and means of the borogo to reach kharkiv through, for example, the direction of vovchansk or kupyansk, as they wanted, or they moved from luhansk region, to stretch the forces, and in order to start cooperation, somewhere up to 300,00 people are needed, but this ziva is not playing anything yet, this powerful system is ready for a powerful strike group, primarily Ballistic Missiles. Who can lay siege to the city and storm the cities of large territories, so to speak, there is practically no such thing, the enemy has stretched its reserves, we are hitting enemy forces every day in different sectors and already in the last week literally every day 15001700 have been destroyed. Remember, there used to be 800, 900 to 1,000, and now it is almost twice as much, this is a powerful undermining of russias defense intelligence, that they did not say there, there is no such format many analysts and my colleagues say that no, it is not measured there in russia, it is measured, i know russia well, its armed forces, the leadership of russia, they only say in words that we have such a resource there that for many tens of years, undermining constantly is going, it is extremely difficult to reproduce as a combat unit, especially the manpower that would fight effectively, it is very, very difficult, it is going to mobilize, and the mass appears somewhere, but that these fighters are high. Level, all the more unmotivated, this is definitely a failure for russia today. Sir general, this week antony blinken, secretary of state of the United States of america visited ukraine and assured that washington will continue to support ukraine and the armed forces of ukraine. The spokeswoman of the white house, karin janiere , said at a briefing that the United States of america is preparing a new batch of weapons and military equipment for the ambassador to be sent to ukraine. What did she say . We expect russia to increase its attacks in an attempt to create a shallow buffer zone along the border with ukraine. So we are working closely with ukraine to help it prepare for this we are also working on another package of urgently needed aid to ukraine. Mr. General, what should western partners give and help ukraine in order. For ukraine to defeat russia after all . Well, the fact that russia has launched a new, so to speak, aggressive attack on the Kharkiv Region has accelerated the logistics of supplying precisely those types of weapons from European Countries, britain, and the United States. If we are talking about the american package, which was late, we had to work very hard, it was the republicans who voted, after all i will solve this issue, but i will not tell today, maybe a separate broadcast, how it happened, but. In difficult operational actions, together, so to speak, with our colleagues from the democratic party, but also from the republican party, but it is already a fact, in order for this to happen quickly, it is necessary to work fast logistics routes, these are airplanes, this is Fast Movement across oceans and, of course, movement by differences and other logistical routes. Anthony blinke, and before that david cameron, worked out the accelerated format that he had previously envisioned. Bets, for example 34 weeks, now one and a half to 10 days, that is , twice as fast, and this is precisely the time lag that allows us to maintain our positions at the front, and then having new resources, these are atakams, these are cabs, these are precisely those guided air missiles, which russia uses against us, and the american ones are more accurate, effective and more powerful, they are aimed at destroying the huge resources of the enemy, both manpower and equipment. Thats clear, bradley, the next batch, its artillery, its extremely powerful systems against what im saying, the creation of electronic shields, its antiaircraft systems, we are taking up to seven or eight units all over the territory of nato countries now, and one more complex was promised by the americans, anthony blimkin , during our visit, it is somewhere around eight already powerful systems, it is only american, in addition to that, irises, in addition , the kameronti are the ones that bring down ballistics, this is critical for kharkov and for other regions of our country, we are also strengthening the defense of the sky, strengthening the protection of our soldiers and accordingly strengthening the military component, and precisely systematically, these are ammunition of various types with European Countries, from britain, from the usa to a large package, this is a million pieces for about six months, and the purchase of e. In foreign markets up to 2 million and our militaryindustrial complex, which also deployed a lot of work, along with this, this is an army of drones of various types of our production, western, primarily European Countries, american, well, of course, these are purchases on different markets, different types of drones, from reconnaissance drones that work on the battlefield to ballistic drones that hit up to 200 km and can already carry charges of up to 450500. These are huge powerful strikes on the main objects on the territory can be russia by our means and on all occupied territories by our foreign means, which we use today, not only that, cameron gave the sanction for us to use the same systems, for example, the shadow house on the territory of the Russian Federation , just yesterday anthony bleekom was just talking, he also said that we do not. Have any problems and objections regarding the use of antiaggressive forces of russia, well, without directly indicating the territory of russia, but without denying that there we cannot use. Now it appears that all types of weapons and personal highprecision Ballistic Missile systems can be used on the territory of russia, but in terms of military facilities, logistical facilities, and decisionmaking centers, this is a legal and clearly defined facility in order to to switch the enemy