Lets consider the root, the cult of radical islam. While killing terrorists is satisfying and quenches the thirst for justice, it doesnt make a dent in the real problem. Young yo susceptible men. If you kill them with drone strikes it just makes more of them. You have to wage war on the ideology which we have not effectively done with all our wars and drones and trillions of dollars that have failed to move the needle. When some random sicko sneaks in through a random lottery. We should let good hard working smart people in who want to study and thrive and participate. Instead of spying on americans who speak to foreigners. We should focus on the murderers who wants to kill us and take away our freedom. Sealing ourselves in silos might make us feel protected. But its no way to live. We do have to accept that government cannot keep us safe from everything. And certainly not by spying on us. Im glad hes still alive and in pain. If one of the survivors was my relative i would find a way to put draino in his i. V. Welcome to the show. Im kennedy. Police in new york city say the suspect followed the isis play book to a t. Hes currently under arrest in the hospital. Investigators say he killed 8 people and wounds a dozen more. We are told he rent a truck, swerved on to a bike path and mowed down his victims. The fbi raided his apartment and hes being described as a lone wolf who had been plotting the attack for some time. Based on the investigation overnight it appears he had bern planning this for a number of weeks. He did this in the name of isis. And along with the other items recovered at the scene were some notes that further indicate that. Kennedy what happens next . Let me ask buck sexton. Welcome back. Where does the investigation go from here and who gets custody of this guy . Hes an individual from what we see wasnt connected to any Jihadist Group of abroad and didnt have any coconspirators here. And people around him who were encouraging the attack. He does seem like the prototypical selfradicalized jihadist. They will continue to chase down all the possible leads we have online. We know about 90 of what we are going to know that is of value in the investigation. We might find more detail about the kinds of sites. But we already know. None of this is a surprise. This is a prototypical example from a to z how terrorists act. To the point that was made by the nypd in the press conference, this was written about in 2016, meaning how to conduct an attack in this way by the online magazine. And they wrote about a pickup truck attack in 2010. A lot of times when these attacks fail, there are trip wire mistakes terrorists make. Especially like trying to build an exclusive device. If he had gotten into a vehicle and gone through times square he would have killed dozens of people. The jihadists understand any idiot can get into a car and mow down civilians. Its a much greater likelihood of fatalities. And also force contact with people that might be the instincts when you have a civilian who says something is wrong here. Kennedy his mosque was under surveillance since 2005. That doesnt necessarily work. There has to be a way of targeting these people. Its not like he had never broken a law. There are arrests in his past. But he basically would have flown through any backgrounds check. We obviously have to have a completely different way of looking at these things. Is government so slow and lumbering its incapable of evolving with the threat that we see . I have quite a bit of familiarity with the snowflakes of mosque surveillance. There are court cases and there has been and lot of scrutiny applied. What we take away from all this is you have this constant balance between the security needs of the general population and the civil rights concerns of the muslim population. Kennedy and civil rights Civil Liberties of americans that can be compromised if we make blanket laws that are meant to address safety and terror. Once you get into the realm of Law Enforcement, people say things that are clearly heinous and these are not individuals who are well adjusted and to be trusted and could pose a threat from the future. Just because someone is walking in the back of the mosque saying america is an imperialist tyrant and i would like to see america drown in a river of its own blood in the middle east. When people talk about establishing trip wires to pick out radicalization before they go to the jihadization phase, just because somebody says crazy stuff that makes you think they might be an adherent to an ideology. Thats where a lot of people have discomfort with whats in our tool kit. Kennedy we still have to have freedom of speech and freedom of association. There is such a sense of cliche with the analysis after incidents like this. Just because you know somebody has a hateful ideology does not mean you can lock them out and throw away the key. Kennedy there are ways of countering the ideology where we have only scratched the surface. We have been trying and failing miserably. Kennedy i dont think we should give up hope. No, but it hasnt been going very well. Kennedy terrorists have been using vehicles in attacks on civilians. Isis has called for such attacks because they are so hard to prevent. Now that this style of attack has surfaced in the United States, how do we balance it with security. Bre peyton is here, matt welch and ben kissel. Ben, i want to start with you. I have been reading, a woman who escaped somalia, she was in parliament in holland, and shy has written extensively on having a war on ideology and not having a war on terror, and separating islam into two parts werent religious part she says we should keep, and the Political Part that gives rise to jihadism. But i dont think we addressed the war on the ideology sufficiently. Especially abroad. We can handle ourselves in terms of we have been traditionally a great assimilation machine. So those ideologies dont ultimately take root in the United States. We militarize everything. I dont necessarily mean that in a complete hippie way. But our military is so efficient we try to make a military solution to a lot of our Foreign Policy things. So because of that we have a spear. We use the spear instead of using creative and subtle ways to get that message across. Its a hard thing to do, and there isnt an immediate tangible reward. Its tough. And whenever there is an action, there is a reaction. And a counter reaction. To this war on terror. We have been de defeating isis in syria and iraq. It doesnt mean we are safer from these attacks. You say they are going analog, they are hitting ghost digital and that they are going digital. We are going to see more of these low tech attacks. One of the things i want to express, we have humanity in this country. Thats a great export. The fact that this individual who injured 12 and killed 8 people is at the same Bellevue Hospital as the 12 people he hurt is a testament to this country and a testament to how we treat people in this country. When we send the message to isis, what do you think they would do. He wouldnt be given treatment in a hospital. He would be torn apart in times square and be mutilated. The fact that hes at Bellevue Hospital being treated with respect is a testament to this country. Kennedy what is Law Enforcement doing right . We talk so much about the failures of government and Intelligence Services when one of these guys is let go or engages in a deadly attack like this. But what are they doing right . Its important to underscore the fact that we cant regulate this. There is nothing that can stop someone from renting a truck and deciding to mow down people literally for 20 blocks. Civic education is on a decline in the youth. A lot of people have forgotten who we are, what we stand for and whats important to us. And i think the only common values that are binding us together as we push out religion and pushed out caring for one another and being neighborly toward one another, the only ones holding us together are Political Correctness which is flimsy. There are people who are flailing. And they are look for a cause to fight for. We have seen a rash of young men who decided to pick up and fight for radical causes like isis. Kennedy there has to be something to replace that. Buck talks about going from a curiosity to jihadism. I dont think it necessarily comes from the government. But it has to come from somewhere, and its not happening yet. The panel returns a little bit later. Should the suspect be treated as an enemy combatant. The big thanks reveal has been delayed until tomorrow. Will that give them time to fiction the plan . 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President trump sometime tomorrow well be announcing massive thanks cuts and reform. Thanks cuts to me is the most of important. By the will be thanks cuts and reform. There are still sticking points for many republicans. Including state and local taxes. The president said he want the bill on his desk by turkey day. But what will it take to get more republicans on board. Kentucky congressman thomas massie. I didnt vote for the budget. Its spending way too much money. It doesnt balance and it spend 5. 5 trillion. It adds 5. 5 trillion to our debt. Moving on from that, there is thanks reform and i plan to vote for this. Kennedy what do you like by the . One of the things i like by the is one of the things people dont like by the. Our tax code has been used for social engineering for many years. The government thinks you should own your house, not rent it. The government makes it easier for states to raise your local taxes. A lot of that stuff is either going to be taken out or the standard deduction will be so high you wont care about all that social engineering in the thanks code. I think thats a good thing. I think it will be flatter and fairer. But anybody who benefited from an unfair tax code will be complaining. Kennedy people who live in states that arent new jersey, california and new york saying why do we care about your standard deduction . It does incentivize local lawmakers to keep jacking up tax rates and spending more money. Is there some sort of compromise that has been reached for those high tax blue states . My compromise would to be cut the rates so much that everybodys taxes go down. We cant make everybodys taxes go count same amount. Folks in new york and california should see a thanks cut, too. It may not be as great. But why should somebody making 100,000 in california pay less for National Defense than somebody in ohio making 100,000. 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So, to recap Small Business owners are heroes, and our heroes help heroes be heroes when theyre not eating gyros delivered by ah, you know what i mean. Kennedy more on the investigation into yesterdays deadly terror attacks. We are told cops found terrorist ferls irng side the truck. The last thing i want this guy to hear tonight is you have a right to the lawyer. Last thing he should hear is his miranda rights. There is enough evidence to believe he qualifies as an enemy combatant. Kennedy joining me former cia officer, mike baker. Lets talk about the part of the world where this terrorist is from. Central asia happens to be a massive recruiting ground for isis. Not only recruiting them to fight in places like syria, but to go to other countries and i infiltrate and commit attacks like that. What makes it such a fertile grounds. Over the years we have seen and taken off a lot of uzbek fight officers around the world where we have been facing the war on terror. Uzbeks have a reputation as being some of the toughest out there. So they are prized as being a real strength in the whole foreign fighter battle. But why . What you have need to recruit these individuals . You need instability or a perceived oppression. You need disaffected unemployed or under employed young males. You have got that. You have got a fertile breeding grounds for radicals. Kennedy part of the problem in western europe has been capitalism, the american dream, pop culture, it doesnt make a dent in the way you would like it to in getting people to reach for and embrace freedom. But would that work in some of these post soviet countries where it is so bleak and it is so corrupt . There is what could work in theory. And what is practical in the friel world. Kennedy from your point of view and you can think as nontraditionally as you would like. What can happen and what will work. We talk about keeping americans safe. And trying minimize the operations that take place on our own soil or with our allies. We can do the operational things. We can track count leader sthim whether its isis or al qaeda elements or boko haram. We can work through communications intercepts to gather intelligence and minimize or disrupt or prevent an attack. The problem we are having is the more theoretical at the 30,000 foot level. What do we do about the ideology . Kennedy i think its appropriate to keep bringing up that question. How do we wage war on the ideology . What we need to do is think pragmatically. People talk about we are going to reach an ultimate victory in this effort. A lot of people probably disagree with me. I dont think well. We have to deal with it on the operational side. Take out as many as possible. Prevent them from having turf with the caliphate and isis. But on the theoretical level and the ideology, what can we do in the reality is, its not very satisfactory. We can do things we are already doing. We do the community outreach. We try to develop communication with the muslimamerican communities. At the end of the day, the way to stop this guy from yesterday was to have his mother or somebody pick up a phone, an associate or a friend say you have got a problem. Thats a huge lift. Kennedy well see if that trust can be created in the future. The president wasted little time in calling for tougher immigration laws. He tweeted the terrorist came into our country through a diversity visa lottery program, a Chuck Schumer beauty. I want merit based. Who is right here . The party panel is back. It happens on the