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FBC The Journal Editorial Report July 13, 2024

Failure as we outline in the report, not just by those who prepared the applications, but also by the managers and supervisors in the crossfire hurricane chain of command, including fbi senior officials, who were briefed as the investigation progressed. Paul michael mulkasi served at the 81 attorney general of the United States. You supervised the fbi as ag. Is this kind of behavior tolerable, if your view . No, it is not tolerable and should not have been tolerated. The number of misdeeds here is so enormous that its hard to know where to begin. It really flooded the zone. But whats clear is that they felt people the failures were on the senior level. Usually you rely on seniors to keep rogue agents in check. Here it was the seniors that went rogue and the evidence in the report and statements in this report that the most senior, jim comey, was aware certainly at the time that these wiretaps on page were renewed that there was information that undercut the accuracy of what was in the application and he did and said nothing about it. There was evidence that before what they say is the beginning of the crossfire hurricane investigation, with po papadopos statement to an australian diplomate that he thought that there was that the russians had something on Hillary Clinton and were going to disclose it, which that diplomat didnt say anything about until after the leak of the dnc emails. Paul that happened in may. This was reported in july. Right. Right. The diplomat concluded oh, that must be what papadopoulos had in mind. Paul is that adequate preed case as mr. Horowitz said in your view to start a Counter Intelligence probe against a president ial campaign . That depends on whats in the minds of the people who have the information and what else they know and i cant tell that at this point. We do know that prior to that, in whats been characterized as early or late june, james comey briefed the National Security council, which are Senior Security people, on what he called the page information, relating to carter page. He briefed the attorney general. He briefed others. And they considered giving a warning, a warning briefing to the Trump Campaign and decided apparently decided not to. They never did it. Paul thats appalling to he m, because if you think theres somebody in the campaign who is compromised, wouldnt you want the candidate to know about that . Right. Paul unless you think the candidate is some kind of man manchurian candidate, a double agent, which is a whole bunch of worry, you would want to tell trump. Just like they told Lindsey Graham or Dianne Feinstein that, that somebody was compromised. Paul according to bill barr, he said the u. S. Went to the russians, john brennan, the cia director, went to the russians and said hey, we know youre doing this, cut it out. Cut it out, right. Paul you dont tell the candidate. So, i mean, whats what operation did the fbi have to inform other people in the justice department, because one of his findings was, the Inspector Generals findings was they didnt keep senior justice officials informed. They had an obligation to point out to everybody at a senior level, meaning the Deputy Attorney general and the attorney general what was going on with this investigation and in particular that the facts alleged to have justified a fisa wiretap and to have justified the entire investigation were very much in doubt. In fact, many of them were directly contradicted. Paul as they found out information that contradicted the steele dossier, which served as the main argument for the actual wiretap to the court, they didnt change the application with this contradictory information. That seems to be entirely dishonest. It is entirely dishonest. The claim that they disclosed that steele himself prepared this under contract with the clinton campaign, in a footnote that is as obscure as a it could possibly be, you dont drop information like that in a footnote and refer to him as having possibly been hired by somebody who was hired by somebody. I mean, the indirection there is absolutely stunning. Paul bill barr, the current attorney general, has a u. S. Attorney, john durham. Hes also investigating this. If youre sitting in that chair as ag and all of this is this history is being recorded and you now know what happened, what do you do about it . You investigate it. Which is what hes doing. Paul okay. And you put on paul you think thats the right thing to do . Absolutely. You put on the best investigator you can possibly get which is whether hes done. John durham is the Gold Standard. He is the 24carat Gold Standard in the justice department. He is the one who unearthed the Whitey Bolger irregula irregulas years and years ago. I investigated him to investigate the destruction of the cia tapes and eric holder decemberic you nateedesignate t. He spent a year andahalf or two of his life going down every rabbit hole to investigate those. He did it thoroughly, without any leaks or he hesitation. He came up with a conclusion. Hes working together with a woman named nora danahey who i asked to look into the justice department. She is out of the same district, connecticut. That team is unbeatable. Paul youre confident that they will come to a justified conclusion on whether or not to pros yoprosecute . Absolutely. Paul thank you. Appreciate it. 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Paul that was Inspector General Michael Horowitz before the Senate Judiciary committee on wednesday, responding to claims that his 434 page report vindicates former fbi director james comey under whose leadership the investigation into the Trump Campaign was launched. Lets bring in our panel, wall street journal column fifth, Dan Henninger, kim strassel and jason riley. Kim, youve been following this from the very beginning. You had kind of reported the horowitz report before horowitz. But what was in your view, where does this leave the credibility of the steele dossier and the fusion gps attempts to start all this off . Where does it leave them in terms of credibility . Well, its in shambles. Theres two really big takeaways from this, paul. One is that that the fbi did wrong and we just heard the judge talk about the ways in which it was not truthful with the court. The other is the origins of some of this, in particular, the fisa warrants and that is this dossier. We know that christopher steele, he had terrible techniques. People who worked with him said he had poor or rash judgment and we find out that the source he got most of this from said that it was most of it was goss sip d hearsay and he never expected to be printed as facts. The whole thing was built on a pile of misinformation from the beginning. Paul jason, what about the horowitz claim that he had that the fbi had adequat add prn to start a probe in 2016. The claim is that the threshold is very low for starting a probe and paul which is shocking to me. The expectation is that the fbi will use some discretion on when and when not to proceed and it doesnt look like theyve done so here. We talked about procedural mistakes. Its not just the number of them. Its they all went in the same direction and it makes you wonder about the claim that there was no political bias here when you look at the mistakes that just happened to always paint the campaign in the worst possible light, the Trump Campaign. You know, theres so much here that has to be talked about. But i think one thing we have to do here is try see the forest through the trees because theres so many trees. Two big points, there are two the fbi is one of the major Law Enforcement institutions, the major Law Enforcement in the United States and there is obviously there obviously was something rotten at the highest levels of the federal bureau of investigation. That has to be dealt with and fixed. Paul this is the whole comey team, the team he put into the crossfire hurricane has a team of analysts and agents working for it and they were allowed to go off the rails as described in the horowitz report. Secondly, as kim subjected, the steele dossier, christopher steele, the idea that an australian diplomat talked to George Papadopoulos and they were going to talk to carter page, this was the origins of the russian collusion narrative which rolled into american politics for two years culminate in the mueller culminateing in the mueller investigation. Nothing has come come of that as well. What has come of the political system where the fbi can go off the rails and the American People can subjected to Something Like the russian collusion narrative which simply went up in smoke. Something is wrong in washington,. Paul kim, thats a very good point. I think one of the answer as to dans question is that fusion gps and the Democratic Party had a lot of reporters who were willing to take dictation from whatever they said about because they wanted to believe the worst about trump and they wanted to believe that he was actually some kind of a russian agent and then so they trotted all this out, unconfirmed and they used the fact that the fbi took that information and started an investigation as just ajustifying oh, there must be something there. Thats stunning. I think you can make the case if the press had done their job from the beginning, we would never been through this agonizing past couple of years. What would happened, if the Research Firm presented this dossier and they looked at the claims and said this smells bad and its come from a Research Firm, they would have found out who fusion gps was employed by and said okay, this is a political dirty trick, but instead they wanted it to be true so they fanned the claims and they gave credibility to these people who we now know deserved none. Its also important to note that the horowitz report is not the last word on this, paul. The attorney general, william barr and u. S. Attorney, john durham, are looking into this and the merits of what theyre doing is they have a wider scope than horowitz did which was just the justice department. Durham can look at state department, overseas, grand jury testimony, so forth. Thats one of the reasons that barr and durham came out and said what they said about the hour wits report and theyre surprised about what triggered the investigation. Paul if youre a civil libertarian and you believe the government shouldnt spy on americans without strong justification, how can you tolerate Something Like this and say never mind, because it was against trump . You cant. The American Civil Liberties union has said publicly theyre very concerned about what happened here. I think the process of fisa application and the fbis relationship to the fisa courts needs to be reexamine. Paul thank you all. When we come back, trade anxiety ease as the u. S. And china reach a phase one deal and a House Democrats announce an agreement with the president on the usmca. Lets be honest, quitting smoking is freaking hard. Like quitting every monday hard. Quitting feels so big. So, try making it smaller. And youll be surprised at how easily starting small. Can lead to something big. 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China, a good deal, do you think . Its definitely progress. Everyone has warranted something we call the trade deal. Phase one, phase two phase one is indeed about what most people understand to be trade with china, agricultural goods, intellectual property and so forth. Phase two which hair going to move into theyre going to move into, its more systemic, trying to get the chinese to change their system, less support of subsidies for state owned industries. Thats the Chinese Communist model. Yes, progress on phase one. Phase two is going to be very difficult. Leland. Paul i read this as kia truce, where trump gets calm in the markets. Chinese get goods that they wanted, pork in particular, purchases. And well see how well they honor some of these things on tech transfer and the rest. Yeah. I think both free trade rersers have been traders have been similasympathetic to president p on intellectual property. If they can make progress on that, then the arguments for free trade get stronger many china really was violating the rules it agreed to when it joined the wto. If we can get them to budge on that, i think its a huge gain. The question is, enforceability, i think. Paul with the chinese, you never know. Were going to have to watch that. So lets move to the usmca. Nafta, redone nafta. Nancy pelosi yo agreed and trump finally, i think in part because of impeachment, she wants to give her swing voters something they can say we got done. But was the price too large, do you think, the administration gave up . Do you want the half full glass or the half empty one. Paul gives us both. Start with the half full. The administration didnt give the administration actually moved from a Free Trade Agreement to a managed trade agreement and

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