She also now accusing obama of framing Michael Flynn. Others with us tonight. Former independent counsel ken starr. New evidence confirming what Many Americans long suspected. That the debunked steele dossier was bankrolled by the dnc and Hillary Campaign. We have proof after taupe Hillary Clinton official saying that on the record. House judiciary doug collins on serious questions mounting now whether former senior fbi official doctored and altered a key document in the quest to nail Michael Flynn for trying to get him to lie to the fbi. Thanks for joining us. Im elizabeth macdonald. Thethe evening edit starts rit now. Elizabeth youre watching as President Trump focused on a payroll tax cut and about potential second wave. Watch this. I want to see a payroll tax cut. I want to see various things we want. I want workers to be taken care of. Were negotiating with the democrats. Well see what happens but as i said it is a transition. This is really going to be, in my opinion, well see, i think it is going to be something very special. It is a transition to greatness and greatness is next year, right from the beginning, i think were going to do fantastically well. Elizabeth lets begin with north dakota senator kevin cramer. Great to see you, senator, thanks for coming back on. Thank you. Elizabeth senator, but the House Democrats are still not back from recess. I think theyre coming back on friday. They will push for a trillion dollar rescue plan. How come theyre not back in today . Well, liz, i suspect the reason theyre not back now because they havent gotten their orders from the speaker yet. Whatever big package theyre coming up with, there is no they, there is her. It appears to me this will be a topdown driven process and it is going to be loaded with all kinds of goodies. Looks like a taxpayerfunded bribe in the making. They will put enough stuff in there there is something in there for everybody, every governor, mayor, every person, in hopes they have the vote. I dont frankly see it as a serious effort to actually growing the economy and stimulating it the way we need to. Elizabeth it is a big fight now. The white house and republicans say also the democrats want federal taxpayers to pay out badlymanaged states and cities. Were hearing the price tag for that could be 680 billion. Small businesses as you know, theyre getting annihilated right now. The democrats are talking about rolling back the 2017 tax cut, bailing out failed Government Union pension plans. Why dont you say what the democrats are talking about wont be enough . Well, first of all the economy right now, you will never stimulate enough with either tax cuts or tax increases or printing more money and spending it until people can go back to work. The economy is not driven by how much money the government puts into it. The economy is driven by jobs you create, the private sector create and wealth they create having willing buyers and willing sellers. We need to the get country back to work. There is plenty of liquidity right now. My goodness, we already appropriated some 3 trillion of federal dollars most going to states and local communities and as well as workers and their employers. Well see how that works out first. Not to mention all the Credit Facilities the Federal Reserve has come up with and is coming up with. Elizabeth right, right. We need to get the economy going again or open again before we see how much more stimulus it needs. Elizabeth 47 states are now moving to open this week. White house advisor larry kudlow, he said about president obama now attacking the Trump Administration, saying that the Covid Response is, quote, chaotic. He says that president obama said that about the administration. Kudlow is saying you know, this is darn political. What is president obama talking about . We stopped counting after 91 federal agencies is on the move, nih, hhs, military doctors, nurses, scientists, is he talking about dr. Fauci, dr. Birx . Who is obama talking about being chaotic . He didnt specifically say it was President Trump. He said the administration. Right. Yeah, i dont know. I suppose what he is trying to do is just throw, cast some doubt about the Administration Given the fact this is an Election Year where the sitting president is up for reelection. Lets face it, we never been through anything like this before. I have to say i think the president has done a marvelous job and administration. The thing most unique President Trump and appreciates cooperative federalism. He provides guidelines he gets from the task force. His task force is not one or two people or a couple of folks at the high up in the administration. It is everybody. It is doctors, it is the cdc, it is the treasury department. Then the Commerce Department and agriculture department, the energy department. He puts it all into the blender and then he comes up with the balance. I think they have operated very well as an administration and doing something that has never been done before at a very fast pace and elizabeth you dont hear, california governor, sorry, california governor gavin newsom, also Governor Andrew Cuomo of new york state say, listen the administration has been responsive to us. Yeah. Elizabeth so has the republican governor of maryland saying the same thing, senator. Theyre not saying, theyre not saying what obama is saying. So by the way many obama officials are still in the Administration Working at these various agencies. Again we counted more than nine dozen. I want to got your take on fight over reopening. Now we have 77yearold michigan barber talking to fox friends yesterday. He stayed open. He kept his barbershop open in defiance of michigan governor Gretchen Whitmers extended shutdown order. Listen to this. Absolutely brought me to my knees. I couldnt do that. Im a Small Business owner. She has no concept at all the damage that she is doing to our state. You know, it is, to families. Elizabeth so this is whats happening. You heard that, senator, right . You heard what he said . What is your take . My take, this is what happens when people get full of themselves. So you know, cooperative federalism works well when you have a president that appreciates the role that 50 different governors play. Now each of those governors, you know, behaves differently because they have a different situation. There are a few, that certainly the governor of michigan is one of them that has overplayed their hand, seems to be so full of themselves and full of their own power they actually think there is a law in the constitution that allows them to dictate these things to private citizens. I just think it is playing out right in front of us, the difference between a liberal totalitarianism, bottomdown, topdown philosophy, versus grassroots philosophy that again, represents, better understands, not just that were a democracy. Not that were 50 different state has are economists, but were a selfgoverned nation. The exceptionalism of america, not that were a democracy, that were selfgoverned. The people themselves are going to make the decision whether they go to the barbershop or not. The barber ought to make a decision himself whether he will be open or not. I think this like him are great examples of america. Elizabeth i hear what youre saying. He received a cease and desist order friday delivered by state police after he reopened on monday. Governor whitmer extended closure of nonessential businesses until may 28th. States are releasing from prison, now were tracking thousands of unmates, close to majority of the states due to covid19. Government investigations of foodborne illnesses, food recalls plummeted to the lowest levels in years. U. S. , fda, the usda also. Theyre postponing inperson inspections. This is dangerous about what is happening with the food factories. They used to have 900 inspections by the government a month. Now plummeted to nine or eight. Your reaction to that . That is interesting, liz. I was having trouble hearing some of the specifics what youre saying, with regard to the food supply chain, the United States of america has safe, reliable, lowcost food source in the country because we protect the entire supply chain, however, back to my previous point about this federalism around states rights, i think it does demonstrate a vulnerability, this covid19. It is actually illustrated lots of vulnerabilities in various supply chains, including pharmaceuticals, food, energy, oil, and gas but i do think this is an area where we should have a long look back after all of this. The talk about appropriateness of consolidation of things like, like food supply, meat supply, for example, maybe empower states more, use interstate commerce the way it was, initially thought of. That is having state inspected facilities closer to the situations and then allowing more, you know, interstate commerce with food that is protected at the state levels at very high standard. Elizabeth okay. I think a lot of this comes down to philosophy. Elizabeth all right. Senator cramer, thanks for joining us. Really appreciate it. Thanks for coming in. My pleasure. Elizabeth we have a special programing note for you. Coming up later in the week texas hair salon owner shelley luther, she is the new face of the reopen movement. She was freed from jail after defying orders to reopen, so she could feed her family. Shelley luther will be our guest this coming wednesday night. 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Liz President Trump yesterday sharply intensifying his criticism, former president barack obama saying obama is behind the Michael Flynn investigation, his fingerprints all over it. Last week William Barr Justice department dismissed the case against Michael Flynn, now advice michael pence is talking about welcoming the idea of bringing Michael Flynn back into the administration. We have the soundbite coming up at the president talking about the flynn case saying it starts with obama, the administration of obama targeting Michael Flynn. Listen. He is a great gentleman, he was targeted by the Obama Administration, he was targeted in order to try to take down a president. What they did, what the Obama Administration did is on president e, its never happened, thing like this is never happened before. Liz lets welcome Michael Flynns attorney, cindy powell. Its always great to have you on, is obama more involved than realized . Yes, the testimony just released from james comey makes it very clear. We know that they texted each other about the insurance policy they discussed in the case office back in august 16, 2016 before the election, general flynn was not in a hurricane in the operation when they open the file. But by august 16, the day after the insurance text message, they open the file on general flynn, the day after that comey and mccabe sent the agent which was is supposed to be a president ial briefing with flynn and nominee trump to spy on both of them and assess engage flynns mannerism in the case they need to interview him later, i. E. If trump was elected president and flynn did up at the white house prepassword to january 4 and 5 the 2017th after the election but before the inauguration, comey and gates are now talking about the meeting in the oval office and which gates learned for the first time from mr. Obama himself that there had been he knew about flynns conversations with the ambassador which were perfectly lawful but intercepted by nsa and then transcript provided to mr. Comey around the fourth of january who immediately notified obamas dna clapper who was also on the meeting on january 5 and clapper asked for the transcripts. And then all of a sudden, Everything Else unfolds with the media leaks and cnn and busby running with the fact that this deal dossier after comey left the meeting to go to new york in brief President Trump on only the fallacious aspects of the dossier for the meeting with obama, clapper, trump, biden in the oval office on database 605tjaderay fifth, and then inan day about the meeting and then catherines letter on behalf of susan rice where she mentioned they talk about flynn in the meeting. Liz was flynn the insurance policy that they were texting about. Yes i think he was a cornerstone of the insurance policy. Im sure it carries through to the special counsel operation also because they started talking about that not there long after. But flynn was a cornerstone of the insurance policy carried the special prosecution and the reason that the prosecutor flynn was to maintain the obstruction hoax against President Trump. Liz why is obama talking about it now, why is he out there in the media, by the way hes misstating and misleading saying there is no president that anybody can find for someone who is been charged with perjury, getting off scott free, Michael Flynn was not charged with perjury, he was not charged with that why is obama even talking, what is he worried about is the worried about the durham criminal chrome and is a trump rush probe. He must be, hes obviously desperate and im sure desperate efforts will be mounted on his behalf from the leak of the phone call to 3000 of his alumni, that will rally the troops to help because they are all in deep. 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Gasx liz newly released househ intelligence documents reveal the top clinton officials john podesta testified under oath that the dnc and the Hillary Campaign did in fact split the cost 5050 of the now debunked steele dossier used by the fda to launch the trump russia probe, that was created by Christopher Steel whose sources told the fbi that still embellishes and cant be trusted, the cia called the internet rumor, the d. O. J. Inspector general said had russian disinformation in it. Thats what the democrats paid for, lets bring in former independent counsel ken starr. Great to have you back on, your reaction on podesta was to mark. Thank you the more we learn the worse it gets for the clinton campaign, shame on them. But at least john podesta whon s an honest person has testified under oath. What we really knew which is, this was Political Campaign stuff, which never shouldve been used by the fbi and it launched 1000ll ships, it launcd all the destruction which continues to this very day. It is better to knoww the not to know but shame on them for having done this to begin with and relying on the steele dossier to again launch the russia probe affecting carter page and others as well as now the latest clear victim, it all fits together. Liz at the same tim