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whole student loan forgiveness and they're going into the trade skills and blue collar workers and plumbers, electricians fill in the blank and they're asking for somebody else to go to college and the debt that person chose to take on and not enough people haven't gone to college and have great careers and asking why am i paying for somebody else and there's plenty of black americans saying i got here on my own merit and i'm capable enough and i don't need these types of affirmative action guarantees to get into college and then people wonder whether or not it got there because of my own merit. i don't think this has the same legs as abortion. will: most polling suggests that in almost every democratic group, affirmative action was fairly unpopular. beverly, it's great to talk to you this morning. thanks for your time.