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get through it. and debates, again, i think if donald trump is the nominee, it looks like he probably will be, donald trump will run circles around him because this is donald trump's strength and joe biden's weakness. jacqui: we've got 30 seconds left. trying to get a last question in. manchin hosted politics and eggs, and talking bipartisan. is he the only one appealing to independents or do each of you view him and no labels effort as a spoiler? real quick, jason, you first, yes or no. >> a spoiler, but robert f. kennedy, jr., i think is also in that mix. jacqui: okay and last word for you. >> i think we have to wait and see, there's so many unknowns at the beginning of the interview jason said best, we have a lot of time between now and the november election as nikki haley surges in iowa and new hampshire, i'm not even willing to sort of call it on the republican nomination yet. the republicans have to have a nam knee and i think you're going to have to see the joe