The civil war combined. It is one of if not the most significant case in the United States history. 9 11, 2001. Usama bin laden and other terrorists hated our democracy, tried to destroy it. Donald trump, just like those other threats to american democracy, tried to destroy our system. This is the greatest political crime since succession. This has a chance of going to trial before the election and thats exactly what jack smith did. He knows what hes doing and he did it here. This case can be tried before the election. I dont see any reason why it shouldnt. The election will be simply about where will trump serve his next term . In the white house or in The Big House . Greg they want to send trump to The Big House before you voters even get the chance to send him back to the white house. Legal experts and republicans argue this indictment is an attack on the First Amendment. Political speech now has been criminalized. The First Amendment is under assault. Its under attack by the biden administration. You see a lot of deceitful conduct but the problem, i think, jack smith has is that congress has not enacted statutes that directly criminalize the behavior that smith is talking about. When i take a red pen through material thats protected by the First Amendment, it reduces much of this to a haiku. Greg republicans are blasting how trumps new legal troubles are once again Perfect Timing for the bidens. Notice the difference on how the media covers joes growing scandals. You cant equate these two things. I mean, youre talking about an encyclopedia of outrages and scandals against Constitutional Government vs. Whats, you know, at best a comma or footnote in the annals of american political history because youre talking about the son of a president. They talked basically every day, sometimes joe biden would say hello to the people in the room if he popped in or on the phone or whatever. A lot of these relationships operate in the gray areas intentionally. Especially when you have somebody who is either related to a famous person or powerful person or used to work for a powerful person. You want your clients to know that you can get them on the phone. Greg all right. So jesse, you listen to the journalists and theyre relying on this hyperbole. I have a theory, they use that to cover up the betrayal of speech and thought. Like they cant say its about what trump said or what he thought so they have to compare him to a terrorist so that way, they can then just crap all over the First Amendment. Jesse their job is predicated on the First Amendment and they still dont want to defend the First Amendment. More people know about the barbie movie than they know about january 6th. To democrats, january 6th is like july 4th. To everybody else, its just another day on the calendar. And if you talk to survivors or families of 9 11 of pearl harbor, i dont think theyre the same thing. Some of these charges i love it, Conspiracy To Defraud the government. Ok, what would you call Russia Collusion . What would you call hillary and the c. I. A. Knew it was a lie . Still pushed it anyway. Not only that, concocted fake emails to make a judge spy on the trump campaign. They defrauded the court. Also, the laptop coverup with the f. B. I. , thats a Conspiracy To Defraud. That denied people their Voting Rights or the c. I. A. Ran on the laptop the month before the election coordinating with the biden campaign. Another conspiracy. If youre going to charge garbage like this, everyone is going to be in prison. I love this part of the indictment. When jack smith says, well, Fact Checkers said that there is no fraud. I dont think Fact Checkers have a great track record so thats not even going to fly in court. Think about the margin of this election. There is three states, margin is razor thin. 42,000. Youre saying donald trump was out of his mind to think he might be able to claw back half . Thats, what, 21 . 21,000, thats all he needed to change out. And youre saying theyre now going to put the 2020 election on trial. Donald trump is chomping at the bit. Hes going to call witnesses. Hes got subpoena power. Hes going to put detroit, philly, vegas, on the stand and make them defend the integrity of their voting process. The lawyer last night was on cnn cleaned their clocks. The guy said theyre trying to speed this trial up. We need maybe nine months to a year. This isnt getting done before the election and any way, its going to get appealed and its going to go to scotus and scotus is going to knock it down. What the republicans need to do is time the impeachment because thats the main draw. And if you put up impeachment with the trump trials, i dont think the democrats want to stomach that. Greg jessica, on the point of timing i thought it was honest of you in the greenroom to say wow, having this stuff come out after the Archer Revelations shows you how this political beast operates. You know, they got greedy and arrogant and they went too far. How else can you explain why they would do it the day after . I couldnt believe you said that. Jessica you always betray yourself because you go one step too far. Like maybe greg like a democrat . Jessica not at all i think that the timing of this feels that way to people who think that donald trump is innocent of all of these things. Fact of the matter is there is such a litany of crimes that he has committed all over the country that it just adds up this way youll have another indictment and then youre going to have another one. Carry on republicans with your investigations of joe biden and hunter biden. And jack smith will continue his work in these grand juries which, by the way, are not he will work at the d. O. J. Theyre regular people like in florida and in d. C. And in new york. Yes. Greg d. C. And new york. Thats how you win an election. Jessica the idea that you can only get a fair trial if people have the same political beliefs is patently absurd. Ok, donald trump can only go before white billionaire republicans. Greg you dont need lawyers to look at juries, then. Jessica no, having biases and having inate anyway, i know what youre trying to do. This isnt about the First Amendment. And jack smith was very careful to make sure the way this indictment was laid out made it so that speech continued to be protected. Donald trump had every right to continue to say this is fake. Theres fraud. What he didnt have a right to do was to act on it. And thats where the crimes were actually committed. So what is new in this indictment vs. The january 6th Committee Work is mike pence is a big part of this. So he took copious notes through the entire process which includes a conversation that he had with donald trump where donald trump after asking him to overturn the election, to not do his job in certifying it, he says to mike pence, you know, youre too honest. When somebody says youre too honest, that means that you want them to do the dirty thing. That you want them to do the bad thing. Greg again, you can disagree with that but you dont arrest somebody over it jessica you cant disagree with the fact that he knew that he had lost the election because everyone in greg youre going to try to say that donald trump knew he lost. Theres no way. Going to try to prove that in court, jessica. Theres no way he can be proven that he knew he lost. Jessica on page greg he still thinks hes president jessica the Insanity Defense is available. On page 15 of the indictment, for instance, they talk about what happened in georgia and coconspirator number two who we know is Rudy Giuliani tells donald trump the defendant this is a fraudulent accusation at this point and then he still went ahead and pushed it. As an example. Greg when schiff goes in there and comes out and says jessica all i heard from you is Hillary Clinton, Russia Collusion. You cannot move on with your life. Greg this is a 2 1 2yearold story jessica its not. Its new information. We didnt have anything from mike pence. Fake electors scheme is committing crimes. And also, some of his strongest defenders like Andy Mccarthy wrote this piece that got taken up. Greg i have two other people at the table. Jessica i know. Im so rude. I cut off everyone constantly. I dont know how everyone can deal with me greg apology accepted. Dana, is it normal to announce you know what is in somebodys heads. Thats what were arguing about it right now. Dana thats why this is so interesting. You can think that its horrendous and terrible behavior and is there a crime committed . You can read this indictment. Like i did last night, all the things they are listing, is that illegal . He was trying to persuade congress to change their position. Like well, everyone has a right to try to persuade congress. You can disagree with how he did it. You can think its abhorrent. Is it illegal . And the other thing is i think about this the other piece which is i cant remember which charge it is. I guess fraud, the fraud piece, so george w. Bush in 2000 and 2004 dealt with democrats who said he didnt win the election. Did anybody try to arrest them . No. Nobody did. Jessica accepted the Court Rulings like normal human beings. Dana right. Ok. Other thing is, so ruth marcus is a columnist for the Washington Post and writes from the left. Shes a lawyer, legal eagle. And i thought her comment today was very interesting because basically, she didnt think this case was a slam dunk. She said i can see where hes coming from. And she does think that something needed to be done but was this the best way . She just thinks that letting it go without any sort of consequences or punishment was wrong but didnt seem to me there was consensus this was some slam dunk case. Now, contrast that with the case about the documents. Like whoa, this is actually pretty clear cut. A lot of republican lawyers who are like that didnt look good for president trump. This one, i feel like theres consensus saying how can you actually criminalize these things that are thoughts . Like he passionately sincerely believes that he won the election. Greg yeah. Dana how are you going to prove that he knew that was wrong . Maybe theyll be able to convince people when he tells mike pence youre too honest, maybe that persuades a jury. I think its going to be a tough road to hoe they say. Greg watch your mouth, young lady this is a family hour. Last word to you, katie, if youre inside the story, you dont get the story like jessica is, if you step outside of your bubble and get out of the story, you see kind of a Political Machine that this is what they do. Yes. And people watch elections when they come up and they see that democrats before have suggested, not just on capitol hill but in the states and very aggressively in the media that george w. Bush was not legitimately elected in 2000 and 2004. There are entire College Courses about how he basically stole the election and alternate electors should have chosen which theyre trying to criminalize as a result. In 2016, same thing. You have a number of people saying because russia hacked the election, alternative electors should be chosen on behalf of Hillary Clinton and should not be accepted when it was supposed to be certified on january 6 of 2017. And jamie raskin, for example, we heard from at the beginning of the block, democrat, stood on the house floor and said the election should not be certified and here he is saying all of these things about criminalizing this. Democrats better be careful what they wish for. They always go way too far. They push this for a short political gain. Think the ends justify the means and then all of a sudden, the rules are new. And the republicans want to play by the rules that they set, they have a problem with it. We have an election coming up. Called democracy, democrats talk about it a lot. They could battle this out at the ballot box between probably President Donald Trump and joe biden and let it end there. Instead, theyre using the Justice System to do it for them. There was a poll that came out in june of this year, and it was interesting. From Harvard Harris said 53 of americans would be ok with the pardon for the documents case because they want a truce including 30 of democrats. I think there are a lot of people who are very concerned about where this leads. And whether it actually will tear down our institutions as a result of criminalizing basic things like free speech and debate about elections. Jesse i dont want a truce, katie. I want revenge thats what i think theyre afraid of. Jessica like using the insurrection act. Jesse revenge. That includes you greg joe biden better watch out. It looks like kamala is trying to take his job jesse while joe biden lounges at the beach, Kamala Harris pretends to be president. I think thats the mongolian leader. Tomorrow she heads to wisconsin and friday shell try to spin the monthly jobs report. Seems like shes getting comfortable. Getting her big wish after her team has been complaining of her being left out of the spotlight. This includes a Softball Interview with abc news but even that was too much for kamala to handle. Watch. There are reports that say you have the lowest Approval Rating of any vice president. Im curious how much of a role, if any, you feel race and gender play in that . There are polls that also say i have great Approval Ratings. I think the point that has to be made is that there are attempts to create distractions away from the accomplishments of our administration. Jesse wed like to see those poll numbers. Any day. Because everyone weve seen shows voters that shes doing a historically bad job. Theres good news for kamala, if you can call it that. Voters are more enthusiastic for her to be the 2024 nominee than her boss, joe biden. Dana, take it away. Dana this is kamala reboot 224, if youre keeping count. And i can understand why theyre trying to give her a little bit more publicity. I think she has a Brand New Team again, right, if that makes sense. Look, and the mongolians, those are good Freedom Fighters and need them on our side. Thank you for coming to visit. Greg i love that barbecue. Dana indeed. Look, one of the things she said is that she has this quote talking about Bussing Migrants is cinema and grand gestures and political games. One, a lot of politicians do that. You host events so you can do that. On Bussing Migrants, she was supposed to be in charge of immigration jesse shes greyhound. Dana very good one. I think this. That shes going to be elevated by both sides. Ok . Because the republicans want people to know that if you elect joe biden and hes 80 and not in good health, the likelihood of her becoming president during the next four years is higher than you would want if youre a republican. But the democrats also need to elevate her because shes dragging down joe bidens numbers. And they need her and especially because theyre concerned about it not turning out. They need her to have a more visible presence on the campaign trail. Youll see more of her which will be great for the five. Jesse that will be great. Greg, when you see that poll where people are excited for a kamala nomination than a biden nomination, is that kind of like people excited if they see a car wreck . Greg maybe. Jesse the spectacle of it. Greg how dare you insult a car wreck . They have feelings, too. I feel like the biden family is trolling kamala. Did you see that rumor in the post . Its great. Joe bidens sister otherwise known as big al. Shes pushing megan markle, you know thats upsetting Kamala Harris when the president s sister is like you know who would be a good president . Meghan markle. Thats just jamming it in my feeling the only way that kamala sticks around is as Gavin Newsoms running mate and then youll get two people from california representing the democrats. I mean, thats the worst state in the union. Thats like choosing two members of the view to represent america in the Miss Universe pageant. Its not a good choice. Im going to blow your minds. This election right now isnt against the candidates you think. The democrats dont have any. Its not going to be joe biden. Im going to say joe biden is not going to be there. So trump far and away is the candidate for the republican party. What do you have over there . What do you have over there . You have a machine, right, its a Political Machine. Its trump vs. The machine and hes raging against this machine, right, its a political beast. Its corrupt. And it punishes those who wont obey. Thats the real race. Him vs. This monolith that is trying to destroy the average american. How do you like that for a race . Jesse man vs. Machine. Do you like it . Not if the machine is smarter. Because thats terrifying. Jesse then throw water on it thats true. Like wicked witch of the west. Pour water on it and it fries. They put her out there so many times and she tries so hard and its like she just cant do it. And the question that she constantly gets from reporters is isnt this because america is racist and sexist . She actually do herself a big favor by saying no. Actually, im in this position because im a qualified woman who has something to offer americans whether its my experience in california or my desire to solve these problems that shes not solving which she could actually turn that question over and help herself wi