Perino along with judge jeanine pirro, piers morgan, Jesse Watters and brian kilmeade. Its 5 00 in New York City and this is the five. Fox news alert the massive man shunned underway in maine authorities still desperately searching for robert card, the suspect believed to have shot and killed 18 people in maine and injuring 13 others. Dozens of fbi agents aiding local and state officials in their ongoing search and residents continue to shelter in place in multiple counties. Nate live on the scene in lewiston maine. Nate what is the latest on the search for card. 22 hours into this manhunt authorities are still spread out across multiple counties trying to find the man who they say is responsible for the worst Mass Shooting in maines history. Right now, there is a scattered presence but one specific place that were watching is where card lives, in boden maine. Take a live look at this. This is 25 miles east of where we are in lewiston, and 25 miles farther east on the coast, dana, the u. S. Coast guard confirms that its following up on a possible sighting in Boothbay Harbor. Theyre using Aviation Units there and the town over from this camera from cards home is called lisbon. Take a look at this, this is where cards vehicle was found near a boat landing. Where he is right now is anyones guess. Theres no defined search perimeter. Theres a shelter in place order that stretches across multiple counties. Card is accused you mentioned of murdering 18 people at two different locations and injuring 13 people. Those two locations were a Bowling Alley and a bar. Three of the 13 injured are still in critical condition. Now, card is a trained firearm instructor. Hes a member of the army reserve and he has documented Mental Health issues. All that has people in this area very scared of what he might do next. I slept on and off for about two, three hours. Moving forward, how do we move forward . Feeling as a community were numb, were hurt. Were, you know, like how can you feel safe again . How can we send our kids to school . Dana, right now lewiston is a ghost town, pretty much every single business is closed. The only people that you see out are members of the media as well as Law Enforcement. We do have a Press Conference coming up with senator Susan Collins at 6 00. So well see what she has to say, but right now everyone is just hoping for good news. Well send it back to you. Dana thank you, nate. And jesse you have a lot of ties to maine a state you know well and an area you visited. Jesse we have a house right north of Boothbay Harbor where there was just a sighting we believe of this gentleman. Shouldnt call him a gentleman but this individual. Theres a lot of patriots there, a lot of heavilyarmed patriots there that are going to be well protected and that are going to call police immediately if they see something suspicious. We now have the coast guard involved. But david if you elongate the coast of maine, its basically the entire length of the United States. And where this guy is in livingston which is a little, i guess, inland, you could say, there are rivers that feed right out into the water. And its densely forested. And so this terrain is wretched, its easy to hide in, and he may have had a cabin somewhere and you know he has an atv, he probably has a canoe. This guy looks like he planned it so he could be north, he could be south, he could be stashed away. We dont know where he is. But im a little concerned about this. I dont like the fact if someones involuntarily committed to a Mental Institution and no one initiates a process to take away his firearms. That is insane to me. And whoever didnt initiate that process to take this guys firearms away has blood on their hands. We dont know a lot about whats going on right now but that right there is your patriotic duty. If youre sending someone to a Mental Institution for two weeks because theyre saying theyre Hearing Voices and because theyre going to shoot up an army base, they have to make that known to the right authorities so they strip this guy of his weapons so everybody can be safe. Dana judge, what about either that law or you think the police in terms of the coordination that is going on right now to try to find him . Judge jeanine first of all, this is a guy who is trained to avoid capture. All right . 90 of maine is forest. So this guy is one step ahead of Law Enforcement, and theres a huge problem. The drones and infrared technology, theyll have a problem because of all of the forestry, the trees and everything else. So the lay out of this situation is a bad one to begin with. But what we have here is apparently a process where u. S. Military has no obligation to report to Law Enforcement that there is a problem, whether it is a Mental Health issue with a soldier or an army reservist, as this guy was. So its not unlike with the priest years ago, they said well we handle it within the church, we dont have an obligation to report to civil authorities. Apparently the Department Of Defense does not require the army or anyone else to report to local Law Enforcement when theres a problem. And thats the slipup. Theres a real slipup here. My understanding according to well placed Army Officials is he was assigned to the Army Reserve Unit sent for training at west point this july to support summer training, but there are no records that he participated in the training. Apparently on the first day of training at west point, they wouldnt say why, but he was removed, although open source reporting suggests erratic behavior. So then he goes into this Mental Health part of the hospital, i think its called. The corridor or Kelly Army Hospital on the west point base, and theres very little thats done after that. So there was a slipup there that did not have to happen. Theres another piece that i think is important here, and that is that we made a decision in the 70s, and maybe even before that, that we were going to start shutting down thee Mental Health institutions because a lot of them were abusive, you know, there were and people there were mistreated. And instead of upgrading Mental Health institutions we literally unloaded people that were mentally unfit onto the streets and we are now suffering the results of of that. Dana piers morgan, youre here with perhaps a view on gun control in the United States but also you come from a country that doesnt have a lot of gun violence and other kind of violence because violent people will commit these kinds of things. One question before you talk about anything you want to talk about. Does britain allow for the Involuntary Institutionalsation of people . I think you can voluntarily or involuntarily be put in an institution, absolutely. What i would say first of all, my heart goes out to all these families because once again youre seeing similar imagery of a shooter with one of these semiautomatic rifles and a lot of lives have been lost, a lot of peoples lives have been ruined, their families are grieving and mourning and its heart breaking. Secondly, as i learned the hard way over the years, americans dont really take to my accent or Company Called piers lecturing about how to lead their lives or about their culture or about their laws. I get that. But you made a point there that in england we just dont have guns. I mean, hardly anybody has guns including criminals, right . I think weve had one Mass Shooting in like five years or something. Youve had god knows how many this year alone, just goes on, kind of groundhogs day. I dont think einstein said this coat but the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. In this case i would argue, to a proned american americans, someone who loves the country and loves the people, at some point youve got to do something more than youre doing. And i wouldnt use the word control. I think thats part of the problem with this whole debate. When americans hear the word control, they think instinctively federal government control and it alienates any chance of any compromise. Gun safety is the way this should be debate. How do you make it safer . How do you stop these loopholes, these guys slipping through the net . This is obviously a catastrophic failure. In maine they have yellow flags, not red flags. Why . Why dont you just have a Red Flag System all over the country. You have 400 millionplus guns in circulation, a million new guns are sold every month in america. This problems going to get worse not better. And at some point, as your friend, you know, the great ally, i simply say youve got to do something more to stop this. You cant keep having the Groundhog Day of these people with these semiautomatic rifles going into civilian areas and gunning people to pieces. Can you . Jesse . Jesse as your friend respectfully man. Of course. Jesse we have these guns because of you because of your country and your king and we havent had that problem since then. Respectfully as your friend. Respectfully heres my response, i cannot buy in america a chocolate egg, theyre banned, theyre banned on Safety Ground because the little toys inside them might choke people. A british prime minister, i wont say which one but one in the last few years, told me he was stopped at lax because he had some for his nieces and they confiscated them because they were a health hazard. Now i simply say youre a country of many freedoms and many regulations. How about regular laying gums in the way you do kindred supply chocolate eggs. Jesse with respect, do forks make people fat . Yeah. Jesse okay. No. Well they do dont they. Jesse guns dont kill people, people kill people. Forks dont make you fat. Guns do kill people. Jesse forks dont make you fat. Dana want to jump in brian . Couple things family spoke out asking him to surrender. Nbc reporting there was a note found they havent said anything yet. They do know he has a registered water craft so this guy could have planned an escape. He seemed very organized. Looks like hes got a personal attachment to both these places he wasnt just randomly shooting it up. You see pictures on facebook hes bowling in the past. I look forward to some of these people coming forward. I do see somebody served with him ten of his first 20 years, said he was a commander that was always calm great to be with. They felt like they grew up with each other, so something clearly went wrong. And about our system, this guys going to get a gun regardless. This guys a military guy knows how to get them and all these experts, im not a gun expert or rifle expert, ive never taken anyone down or hunted someone down or took out a deer, but the way he handles the gun and the way he moved they say hes an absolute pro and turns out hes an instructor. He he was going to get a gun anyway but there was a system in place to stop him. He was institutionalized. Just like the same system in place that says after ten days you are now cured from your addiction. What happens is your insurance runs out and all of a sudden they say okay, youre still an alcoholic but we only have ten days for you to stay here because we need your bed youre out of here. So this guy was stopped, he was Hearing Voices, he was rounded up, and they did take you know, the problem is, when he got out, when he got out, they did not take his guns away. Theres something with that because with that shooter, that shouldnt happen. Dana brian can i jump in because theres Breaking News we have. There is apparently, david spunt i think is with us from doj. We have fox digital on the ground, apparently theres some loud bangs and david spunt, are you there . No, youre not there. So he is saying that there might be some action here, guys, so we are going to keep a close eye on that. We know thats where his house is right . Dana yes we will try to get david spunt. Judge jeanine if i can respond to what was just being said, they have a yellow flag law in maine. The yellow flag law in maine, different from a red flag law requires Law Enforcement to detain the individual, get a medical professional to come in and say hes a danger to himself or others. If the army doesnt tell Law Enforcement that theres a problem, Law Enforcement isnt going to find a medical person to detain him and to find out and to then enter him into a program. Two weeks is never enough for anything in terms of getting someone better. Yeah. So judge, i would say this, somebody put him in there. So was it the military that put him in there . Judge jeanine military put him in, thats an armybased hospital. The difference between the flag system, as i understand it, is with yellow flags families cant notify a judge directly, right . In a red flag they can. Yeah. So, in this case, his family knew he was severely mentally disturbed, they knew he owned guns, they knew that he had publicly threatened to commit a Mass Shooting. Just like nashville. And this is by the way all in the last three months. Im not sure how many more flags this guy had to raise but because the system didnt allow his family to go directly to a judge, as it would under a Red Flag System. Why not make Red Flag System mandatory. No, the family can go to Law Enforcement. They have the freedom to do that in every state. As long as Law Enforcement then gets a medical professional who assesses him and says hes a danger to himself or others. In the Red Flag System its the judge that makes that calculation. I was a judge who made that cal layings. I know, i know. Judge jeanine but the cop has to bring me the person. And in order to get that person, you need Law Enforcement to bring him in. So dana youre still following what david spunts saying, right . Which basically he might have heard something, there might have been a bang . Dana yeah. So what youre seeing right now is new video that is just in. The fbi is and local, police, of course, they are outside the last known address. There was a loud bang that apparently the fbi is trying to make contact as they believe that robert card may be inside. That is the reporting that we are getting from david spunt. He is our correspondent at the justice department. Were trying to get him up with us here in a moment. We have fox news digital on the ground there reporting as well. So were going to keep talking about this here because obviously plenty going on. Jesse that would surprise me knowing what we know about this guy and how well trained he is, that he would go back had his last address. Judge jeanine yeah. Jesse after murdering a slew of people in the middle of a manhunt. Running out of his car and leaving his door wide open. Jesse that doesnt seem like something he would do. Either hes a total Insane Person and he would go back home, some people go back home after shooting people and put some chicken in the oven. But something tells me this is not him. I could be wrong. But this would be the last place you would go during a manhunt. His family did say, i think it was his sister, said that he was having these episode periods really bad Mental Health episodes and then he would be perfectly normal and she felt that when he was if he could get back to a place of normality after this, he would feel so bad about what he had done that he would then do something. Judge jeanine thats not enough t fact that if he is in his home, that shows that he is not connected to reality. Because anyone who has done that would know that i have to get away. So whenever, for example, i had an Insanity Defense as a prosecutor, i would say thats great. He was crazy when he killed the woman but then he knew to run away, get a gun, get a boat. This would show hes more insane than we think. You americans, right, its your country. Judge jeanine pretty much. This is happening on your watch. Out of interest, i mean, how do you feel about this in ent volume of really catastrophic Mass Shootings . What do you think should be done . Jesse well, i actually just purchased my first firearms last week. And it was a big moment for me as an american, i had never done it before. I grew up in philadelphia, we werent a family that came from guns. My father grew up in Hartford Connecticut it wasnt something that we did. But now were out in the country and if you have a young family and youre out in the woods you cant call 911 and hope for the best. You have to defend your family. I get it. Jesse so everybody thinks that way, especially in a place like maine. As we said, talk about densely populated, its more densely forested in maine than alaska. Dana wow, i didnt know that. Jesse you make a phone call someone on your door or premises, youre waiting sometimes 15, 20 minutes for police to show up that is valuable time if youre trying to defend your family, your children or your property, you need a weapon and maybe you need an ar15 because you need to have something semiautomatic and you have to have something accurate that you can handle well in a tight spot. My question is, i get that, and i remember bill maher arguing the same, that he bought a firearm because he said he had to defe