Violent clashes continued this week at colleges and and universities across the country as Police Departments from New York City to los angeles moved in to clear propalestinian encampments and Arrest Protesters in scenes reminiscent of the vietnam war era. After more than a week of silence, President Biden addressed the growing campus chaos on thursday. Theres the right to protest but not the the right the cause chaos with. Vandalism, trespassing, breaking windows, shutting down campuses, forcing the cancellation of classes and graduations, none of this is a peaceful protest. Dissent is essential to democracy, but dissent must if never heed to disorder or denying the rights of others so students can finish the semester and their college education. Paul joining me now is former indiana governor and former president of purdue university, mitch daniel withs. Great to see you, mitch. Thanks for joining us. So when you were president of purdue, did you ever have an episode like this where you had to deal with unrest on campus . We did. Not many, and they were much smaller scale than what occurred elsewhere. But i in 2020 we had a version of it. And, you know, we applied our resolute refree speech policy, let people say what they wanted virtually anywhere they wanted. They the understood the rule, however, which was they couldnt trespass, you couldnt violate the rights of others. Finish happily, we didnt have to expel anybody although we were prepared to. And we didnt, as they say, negotiate with anybody. I remember having a conversation with delegation from the student group, they said one of their socalled demands was nonnegotiable. I told them, well, you see, there arent going to be any negotiations, we do have something in common. [laughter] paul so what happens when students, a group of fact if all the city and students come and say, look, you must as a school with your endowment divest itself from, say,s israel, which is one of the demands that all of these Student Groups tend to be make of their, of their universities . If i mean, do you sit down and talk to theming or do you say thanks for your counsel, but now go back to class . The latter. [laughter] you know, this we all know the absurdity, the complete futility for one thing even if it were an appropriate policy to desert an ally and a democratic country. This wouldnt with do any good. So we didnt a lot of time on that. We didnt have too much of that. The socalled demands tend to focus more on oncampus policies. But that was what the answer would have been. Paul so whats your assessment of why this is happening now, breaking out in such a big way again . And is this something that you think is, goes beyond just the students at these schools and is a deeper or kind of movement with some Organization Behind it . Yeah. You know, these are ugly incidents, but theres a sunny side to them. Its been what i called a clarifying moment in so many ways. One of them is, first of all, people understand the real motivations here and many of the perpetrators. This is i dont want to say a pretext, but it is simply a part of a much larger agenda summed up in that very appealing slogan to americaing you know . So a lot of americans are seeing more clearly than before who these people are. We know, of course, now that what some of us have known for a long time, much of this comes from off campus, even in the biggest episodes. You know, i think its been clarifying for Jewish Americans to understand where the real locus of the most dangerous antisemitism is. Its been very clarifying for a lot of parents and students who are trying to decide where to go to school or whether to transfer. So, you know, we its not pleasant to look at, but its been a teaching moment in some, i think, fairly helpful ways. Paul now, so when youre the president of one of these universities like columbia and youre confronted with these encampments and then you are you know that a big chunk of your faculty supports these students and you have to get along with the faculty, obviously, how what advice do you have for a president whos in this predicament . They have to act decisively and in the best advice i have is act promptly. Dont dither. Certainly dont indulge or socalled negotiate with people who are breaking rules which e presume at all these schools were clear there there was no the and there was no confusion about whether you can camp ott, set up housing of your own, break into buildings let alone intimidate or even injure others. And we always thought if we had an important relationship always a was with the surrounding law enforcement, prosecutors and forchew newtly, we didnt have to call on them fortunately, we we didnt have to call on them. We knew if we had to, we could, we would, and they would do their jobs. Paul and whats the role of a Board Of Trustees . All these schools do have trustees of some kind who with, basically, have the Ultimate Governing Responsibility and select the president s. When do they, should they decide to intervene here in a substantial way . This should have, in many cases they should are made those decisions a long time ago. I think this is a really important question. This is not the only problem in Higher Education that i think can be laid at the feet of boards of trustees, present and past, who allowed costs to run wild and get out of control, who allowed monolithic group think to develop on their campuses and who have been far too up dull gent indulgent in these past episodes of student misblair. Misbehavior. So im incliented to be a little bit charitable to president s, at least those who just arrived as the president of columbia did, but much less, i would say, forgiving of boards who have the fundamental responsibility read the bylaws of any university, public or private, and you will see that they have full authority over all, they could have headed off all these problems i just mentioned along with others. Path. Paul fascinating, mitch if daniels. Thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Still ahead, as protests continue at college cans across the country, professional leftist groups are exploiting the campus chaos. 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Of the almost 30 arrested at Columbia University and City College Of New York this week 300 nearly half add no affiliation with any school. Lets bring in Dan Henninger, kim strassel and and Mary Anastasia ogrady. Dan, you wrote these protests have a Cookie Cutter Quality to them. What do you mean . I meant they all look the same, and i think were finding out why. For starters, they use social media now to organize these things. The intervention, destruction of Hamilton Hall at columbia was set up by an instagram message that was sent out by the group saying, urging a mobilization at hall. Is people show up to do the these sorts of things. Monday night i guess it was tuesday, actually, some of us here in new york watched a long interview with eric adams and the new York Police Department, and i was especially struck by the presentation by the head of the the new York Police Department departments intelligence unit, rebecca weiner. And as was said in that, they have reason to believe a lot of these protesters are from the outside. Nypd intelligence is one of the strongest in the world. They do know that Something Else is going on. And its not just in new york, paul, its all over the country. And the question is, what does the fbi know about this . I think they have got an obligation, a, to investigate if it and, b, start letting us know who these organizations are and whos funding them. Paul mary, thats an important point dan makes. When he say says outside agitate theres, do they have to start identifying them in and who do you think they are . As we wrote in an editorial on friday, they do have is web sites where they lay out their Lessons Learned from various encampments and so on and give a strategy for how to approach. Well, some of them were actually caught on camera there, the people who lives on their resumes that they are protest consultants, thats a job apparently. [laughter] paul tremendous career opportunity. And they have the long resumes of being involved in this. So theres no secret that the question is how deep it goes, you know, how broad it is, how organized it is. Mean, at ucla they started asking for a weird mix hur of things they wanted mixture of things they wanted brought in, gas masks, elbow pads, knee pads, you know . All things that, obviously, people with experience know this is what you need when with youre barricaded inside a building paul and fighting police. Exactly. [laughter] and, you know, paul, the other thing that they are working with a very fertile crop of young people who feel a need to belong. And weve seen this in climate agitation. And i think its very similar. Its sort of a Cookie Cutter Approach to what weve seen with Climate Protests paul are you saying that some of these professional leftists are exploiting the idealism of these young people . Not just the idealism, but i think, again, people feel like they need a meaning in life. They need a reason to belong. I dont know if they think that gaza is necessary hi an idealistic necessarily an idealistic vision that they have, but i think they feel that they belong to a community when theyre part of this movement. And young people have a need to belong, and thats the one thats put before them. Paul kim, you wrote this week about the president s response which finally came on thursday. Did you think it was add adequate to what is going on on campus . No, i did not. [laughter] and i would say two things about that, or paul. One, look, i think its great that the president finally came out and denounced violence and made a distinction between violent versus peaceful protests, a although the i think that could have been a bit clearer too. One problem here, too little, too late. It took the them nine days to do this as police had already been engaged in actions across the country, and it was very clear from that engagement that he gave, those Talking Points that he gave, that he was done because he was told that he had to do this, he had to the address this. His heart was not necessarily in this, okay . That was one problem. The other problem is that all he did was address exactly whats going on on campus. He did not address why this is happening which is, of course, his own policies. This was an opportunity for him to portion forcefully recommit, explain if why the United States is backing israel, remind everyone about the terrible atrocities that happened on october 7th, make a case for why this is the also in Americas National interests, and he didnt want to do any of that because at heart, paul, hes till trying to thread the needle. He still wants those young, ooh idealistic voters to come out and reelect him in november, and so he wont say anything that truly will upset them. Paul whats the political fallout here, dan . Dont have a lot of time. Is it serious potentially for President Biden and the democrats . Absolutely serious. I mean, i think to kims point, thats why biden went out and made this statement. The people around him, the Reelection Team understood they have a big problem with these demonstrations. It was not going in a direction that they had hoped. The violence is turning poem off, and they had to address it people off, and they had to address it. The question is, is it going to last up until november or at least the Chicago Convention in august. Paul and is it a problem for him because its aimed at him and the democrats . Is that the it . Its because hes trying to appeal to both the gaza supporters and the democratic youth vote, and he cant have it both ways. 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Kim, i guess Marjorie Taylor greenes motion is fated to lose, and if thats the case, why is she bringing it . Well, i think at this point, paul, she has realized that she can get an enormous amount of attention and fund raising simply by threatening to do it and then going ahead with it even if it is going to fail. And i think one thing that is still a little bit concerning here, this is not going to be a threat to mike johnson in the near term because as you just noted, democrats say theyre going to save him. One thing they did say as well, the Democratic Leadership, is that was a onetime deal. They would not know if they did it again in the future. And, again, i think one of the things that people are now watching for Is Marjorie Tea Hour Greene takes this taking this as an opening shot. But as we move along a couple of months further along and theres another moment where she threatens it again, will the democrats still be there where theyre still grateful to mike johnson on some of his efforts like the ukraine funding bill . Paul al liesia a, whats the democratic calculation here . Thats not usually what they do for republican speaker e. I think some of this is gratitude, as a kim said, for passing, whipping up the votes to pass this ukraine bill and funding for taiwan as well. I think theyre also hoping to extract some con, sessions. Now republicans only have a 1vote majority, and ive heard actually from some sources that theyre hoping to at least put some bill on the floor, for example, Broadband Subsidy and if get mike johnson to support some of their prerogatives. So, in fact, shes actually helping empower the majority here. Paul because to the extent that johnson needs democratic votes to pass anything, then he needs to make concessions to get those votes. I think thats right, and that means you may actually see some democratic bills or bills that have more democratic support than republican support pass. Paul dan. I think one other point is that the democrats are trying to look constructive, aiming towards the november elections because the margin of the republican gains now are so small. Bear in mind, or paul, as we know, democrats control the House Of Representatives from 19551995. People forget 40 years of democratic control of the House Of Representatives. Finish i dont know if Something Like that could repeat itself, but