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That . Do you prepare . Oh, that . How do you prepare . Oh, no, never know. Now what no, ill never know. Now what does the manager say in the pep talk to stop the players from freezing . Who better to ask freezing . Well who better to ask than league harry than premier League Legend Harry Redknapp tell us what he redknapp to tell us what he would saying he were the would be saying if he were the manager the players manager to prepare the players for that. Match and of course, for that. Match and of course, we want to hear all of your views today about all of those stories and much more. We love reading out. So in reading them out. So get in touch. Gb views at gbviews gbnews. Com. But before all of that, heres the news headunes all of that, heres the News Headlines with the wonderful. Tamsin phil, thanks very much and good morning from the gb newsroom. Its 10 01. The families of babies murdered or harmed by lucy letby say their search for answers continues as investigators into her case widen. The countess of chester widen. The countess of Chester Hospital has come under scrutiny over whether more could have been done to stop the serial killer sooner. An independent inquiry will examine the hospitals handling of the case. Police will also investigate the care of 40,000 babies who passed through the Neonatal Wards at the two hospitals where she worked yesterday. Letby was convicted of the murder of seven infants and the attempted murder of six others. Shell be sentenced on monday. Psychotherapist Lucy Beresford says her personality may have helped her avoid suspicion for so long. Her colleagues found her very warm and approachable and likeable. And the paediatrician, who tried to raise the alarm about her allegedly at one point thought to himself, oh about her allegedly at one point thought to himself , oh gosh, not thought to himself, oh gosh, not nice. Lucy because there was a side to her that was very genial and thats what makes her crimes so doubly shocking that she could have this exterior of normality and pleasantness , but normality and pleasantness, but actually be capable of these crimes. Crimes. Police investigating the murder of sarah sharif in woking are still searching for her family. The ten year olds body family. The ten year olds body was found at her home last thursday morning after Police Received a call from her father, irfan sharif , from pakistan. Irfan sharif, from pakistan. Detectives say she suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time. Her sustained period of time. Her father, stepmother and uncle are wanted for questioning. They wanted for questioning. They travelled to islamabad along with five children a day before sarahs death was discovered. Sarahs death was discovered. Age uk says hundreds of thousands of older people missed out on Financial Support for their energy bills. The Charity Claims more than 700,000 households didnt receive help from the energy bills. Support scheme alternative fund. It was set up for people with non direct supply arrangements such as those living in care homes, mobile homes or on boats. But age uk says the fund had completely flopped due to a complicated application process and a lack of publicity. Workers and a lack of publicity. Workers on Cross Country trains are on strike in a dispute over working conditions. Members of the rmt conditions. Members of the rmt will also walk out over the next three consecutive saturdays. The three consecutive saturdays. The unions general secretary, mick lynch, accused crosscountry of not seriously trying to resolve the dispute. The manager of the the dispute. The manager of the lionesses says her team are buoyed by the level of support for them ahead of the World Cup Final on sunday. England take on spain as they hope to win the trophy for the first time. Manager Sarina Wiegman says the team has everything they need to perform at the highest level. Perform at the highest level. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. This is gb news start tomorrow. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Thats it. Now, though, its back to esther and phil. Thanks, thompson. Now welcome thanks, thompson. Now welcome to saturday morning with esther and phil and the top story of the day is the 33 year old nurse lucy letby has been found guilty of murdering seven infants and attempting to kill six more whilst working on the Neonatal Ward at the countess of Chester Hospital , ward at the countess of Chester Hospital, making her the most Prolific British child serial killer in modern british history. The trial went on for over ten months, but why were such atrocities able to happen . And atrocities able to happen . And what needs to be done to ensure that it can never happen again . That it can never happen again . Well, were joined now by former metropolitan Police Detective peter blakesley. So detective peter blakesley. So peter, an inquiry has been launched. Welcome news. Oh, yes, indeed. Although im a little concerned that its not going to be a statutory inquiry. The government was swift to announce it yesterday. That was right. But announce it yesterday. That was right. But its announce it yesterday. That was right. But its not going to right. But its not going to have the powers to compel people to come and give evidence. To come and give evidence. However, there very much needs to be this inquiry because it will support the great work that the police did securing these the police did in securing these convictions. But the police did in securing these convictions. But and its a very big but myself and an increasing number of people that i speak to are quite frankly, sick to the back teeth of all these inquiries. When theyre announced, because what invariably happens is that somebody in a sharp suit stands on of a set steps at the end on top of a set steps at the end of it all, and says lessons will be learnt and quite frankly, theyre not so as a former detective , ive gathered some detective, ive gathered some evidence today to absolutely prove that because i deal with wed expect no less from you. Peter, thank you very much indeed. Peter, thank you very much indeed. Beverly allitt that indeed. Beverly allitt that odious person who murdered four babies when she was a nurse and injured many more, was convicted injured many more, was convicted in 1991. There was an inquiry into her actions and all of the background conducted by sir Cecil Clothier. The report was Cecil Clothier. The report was published in 1994. Im now going to read a couple of excerpts from a Statement Given to the house of commons by the then Health Secretary, virginia bottomley. Theyll chime , i bottomley. Theyll chime, i think, quite loudly. Bottomley. Theyll chime, i think, quite loudly. The first think, quite loudly. The first one is she said , the health one is she said, the Health Secretary. It is the duty of grantham and kesteven hospital where allitt worked and every other hospital to read, absorb and apply the lessons which sir Cecil Clothier and his team have so skilfully identified. We must so skilfully identified. We must leave nothing to chance in minimising the opportunities open to another beverley allitt. Well, i will leave it to your viewers and listeners to see if they agree with that or whether it was just words i guess. Peter the point would be is that as it said there, to minimise the opportunity , these minimise the opportunity, these people might say, well this its that was 30 years ago, you know , you cant never guarantee that these things will never happen again. But the fact that nothing again. But the fact that Nothing Happened for 30 years would indicate that maybe lessons were learned and that its impossible to stop it altogether. What would you what would you say to that . Number one, this report was only letby only 21 years before letby committed her atrocious acts. And thats not all my evidence. And thats not all my evidence. Okay. There is more words from the statement of the Health Secretary who said the clothier report identifies and criticises failures of management and Community Actions in the hospital. And it is important hospital. And it is important that lessons are learned from these throughout the service, there were many criticisms made yesterday throughout the media after the conviction of letby not most notably from paediatric consultants that worked with her and raised concerns and they spoke about failures of communication and management. Spoke about failures of communication and management. We communication and management. We shall see what the inquiry bnngs shall see what the inquiry brings forth. Should the police have been brought in much quicker . Oh undoubtedly. But that wasnt the polices fault. They can only act when an allegation is made to them. And in fact, i would like to say that i think Cheshire Police did a remarkable in very , very a remarkable job in very, very challenging circumstances here and now, if you will. Let me indulge. Is it also show that people cant be objective sometimes about their own staff and you did need that object of the police that should come in police that should have come in much as those much earlier. As soon as those senior said theres senior consultants said theres something and the something wrong here. And the same is on the shift, same person is on the shift, when are dying. When these children are dying. Words , the lessons in other words, the lessons werent and here is my werent learnt. And here is my final from the health final piece from the Health Secretarys statement of 1994, when she said , and apologies to when she said, and apologies to the family of the letby victims, if this chimes, i have nothing but respect for all of them. And the dignity that they have shown in the last few years and particular throughout the trial. I could not respect them more. The junior bottomley, the Health Secretary said the least. We owe those families of the victims is an explanation of how alex crimes went unchecked for so long and an assurance from which ihope long and an assurance from which i hope they will be able to take some comfort that Everything Possible will be done to prevent such a tragedy ever happening again. Hollow words , meaningless again. Hollow words, meaningless words fail. Two words. Words fail. Two words. I mean , i think you make i mean, i think you make a very good point about that , very good point about that, peter. I mean, is it always easy, though, to you know, its always easy after the event to say what should have happened and what shouldnt have happened. And, know, im happened. And, you know, im sure nobody at the hospital sure that nobody at the hospital was, you know, was trying to was, you know, was was trying to cover up its cover anything up. Its just that think that she that they didnt think that she was you some did , but some was you know, some did, but some clearly didnt. Was you know, some did, but some clearly didnt. I mean, is it the case that, you know, this is a question about being wise after the event and we shouldnt too be harsh on the people who were there time . Were there at the time . Ive been much worse ive been called much worse names in hindsight, engineer. But i will the words of the but i will let the words of the Health Secretary in 1994 speak for themselves. Lets look at for themselves. Lets look at what we now know about the what we now. Now know about the vile lucy letby. Lets look at what we know from the doctors and paediatricians who repeatedly tried to raise concerns and their words were either ignored or fell on deaf ears. We will be speaking to a psychologist later about the mind of the murderer. And obviously lucys mind here. But do you think this case was so chilling because she managed to deceive so many people . She was not, as people would have perceived , as a murderer. Her perceived, as a murderer. Her friends were standing by calling her innocent. Lucy vanilla lucy. They were thinking that she was a wonderful nurse. A wonderful nurse. Any pragmatic and experienced detective will tell you that its large , a waste of time its large, a waste of time trying to get in the head of someone who is so disturbed that their actions make no sense to regular detectives. Follow the regular detectives. Follow the evidence, build a case. And just like Cheshire Police did in this one, secure convictions. Peter, thanks ever so much for coming in this morning. Weve very much appreciate your expertise and also for going through those reports from 1994, where clearly what happened then has clearly happened again. Thank you. Thank you. And also ill add to fill in 2015, a set of guidelines were drawn up by the nhs, which was making it easier to whistle blow come forward, we will listen to you. That didnt happen. They made the people who did whistleblowers write a letter of apology to us saying that they shouldnt judged her shouldnt have judged her so quickly. Now quickly. But look now to look through todays top stories. Were delighted to be by were delighted to be joined by celebrity chef broadcaster celebrity chef and broadcaster kevin labour Kevin Woodford and former labour advisor matthew lazar. So chilling story, this one about lucy letby. I mean, its horrendous. You know , any form of murder you know, any form of murder is horrendous. But, you know, is horrendous. But, you know, theres something very, very , theres something very, very, very chilling about this particular one because its babies and because of the number involved and it is awful. And theyre going to investigate a more. Investigate a lot more. Theyre going to the now theyre going to the police are now investigating 40,000 admissions, neonatal admissions that this particular nurse was involved in. Right. Between 2012 and 2016. Mammoth task. Between 2012 and 2016. Mammoth task. So this between 2012 and 2016. Mammoth task. So this could only be the this could be the tip of the iceberg with this particular monster issue with her well. Monster issue with her as well. Ive got major issue with ive got a major issue with this. Tell you what it is. This. Ill tell you what it is. You know, i mean, my big problem with this is there we have this monster whos now been formally convicted murders and convicted of seven murders and seven attempted six. You know, as well, which havent been proven. But the fact of the matter is that on monday, this monster thats the only way of describing this woman. I wouldnt even call her a woman. This monster does not have to appear for the sentencing. And i think thats totally wrong. And no, alex chalk at the moment, just the secretary is planning to sort of try and change the law but why again, law on this. But why again, peters always peters right. Were always in a situation after the situation where its after the event now this is after the event and now this is after the event and now this is after the event. Event and now this is after the event. The parents have suffered event. The parents have suffered enough of this from this monster, and yet she shes even refusing to watch the sentencing on a video link. How can she possibly get away . The judge could get her for contempt of court and add an extra or up to two years extra on a sentence. And weve had on a sentence. And weve had this people turning this before. People not turning on sentencing and they should get put on an extra years. Where do we go with esther at the end of the you know, where is sentence . Is the sentence . Cant i dont i obviously cant i dont want to pre empt what the judge might do, but surely this must be a case of a whole life tariff, and therefore i think so. Therefore, mean, if so. And therefore, i mean, if this doesnt get a whole life tariff, difficult tariff, its very difficult to see what maybe the. No visiting rights for so no visiting rights for however mean, you might however long. I mean, you might say, you say, well, thats harsh, but you need something else. If she hasnt got. Absolutely. The is hasnt got. Absolutely. The is not turning up for the sentencing. You have to think of other things that she need other things that she will need to deprived because that to be deprived of because that is right. That to be deprived of because that is right. That its to be deprived of because that is right. That its the is not right. That its the ultimate snub to the victims families and justice. Families and its justice. Say, kevin, i mean, as you say, kevin, theres talk from alex talk i mean, as you say, kevin, theresif alk from alex talk i mean, as you say, kevin, theresif theresn alex talk i mean, as you say, kevin, theresif theres anything. K i mean, as you say, kevin, theresif theres anything weve about if theres anything weve donein about if theres anything weve done in legislation and obviously that would through. Obviously that would go through. Absolutely cross party. And, you know, speed , wouldnt know, basically speed, wouldnt it . Because this is just its just horrendous that weve seen. How drag somebody in to just horrendous that weve seen. How the drag somebody in to just horrendous that weve seen. How the sentence� mebody in to just horrendous that weve seen. How the sentence ifebody in to just horrendous that weve seen. How the sentence if theyren to watch the sentence if theyre not do it . Not going to do it . Thats also youre going to have visiting rights, have to deprive visiting rights, buy else. You buy something else. Maybe you cant anymore a sentence cant at anymore to a sentence because going have the because shes going to have the longest but something because shes going to have the long does but something because shes going to have the long does to but something because shes going to have the long does to be something because shes going to have the long does to be done. Thing else does need to be done. The law to be if the law needs to be changed, we need to needs to changed, we need to it needs to get and think get changed. And i think everybody the everybody will be united in the commons that. Sure. Everybody will be united in the conany� is that. Sure. Everybody will be united in the conany otherthat. Sure. Everybody will be united in the conany other stories sure. Everybody will be united in the conany other stories that re. Everybody will be united in the conany other stories that caught any other stories that caught your any other stories that caught youyeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, i mean, know, its well, i mean, you know, its we really run from the we cant really run from the lionesses to go on a sort lionesses just to go on a sort of slightly a slightly lighter front. Obviously front. I mean, obviously after yesterdays, weve front. I mean, obviously after yeste digesting weve front. I mean, obviously after yeste digesting yesterdaysve been digesting yesterdays court ruling. The lionesses, ruling. But on the lionesses, what on . Why is the what is going on . Why is the Prime Minister and why is more particularly the prince of wales as he rules over . He is the king the president of the fa, but also, you know , he and his dad also, you know, he and his dad are the other rulers of australia, which im a half aussie, so, you know, i was a bit the last match was a bit split. Split personalities. This one, ill be able to cheer the lionesses on now the aussies are out the theyre just out of the way. Theyre just hosting. What a snub to hosting. But what a snub both to australia, particularly australia, but more particularly for to our lionesses. For us to our lionesses. I to matthew, we i have to say, matthew, we have put out a poll, have actually put out a poll, a tweet poll saying do you think that Prince William should be there, the Prime Minister should be there, but particularly Prince William as the president of the survey . I do actually think its a i dont think its a snub. I dont really think whats the hardship . Have hardship . Couldnt they have got a he said a last minute flight . He said Something Like , oh, for green Something Like, oh, for green purposes , i dont. Environmental purposes, i dont. Environmental issues. Im purposes, i dont. Environmental issues. Im not purposes, i dont. Environmental issues. Im not getting on issues. Im not getting on a plane. Have to say what a load of off them when theyre going on holiday. Does i when they go does it i mean, when they go skiing youre a know skiing youre youre a you know , former advisor to the labour party. Is there a question here that the Prime Minister cant do right for doing wrong . If right for doing wrong . That if he doesnt go, its snub he if he doesnt go, its a snub to lionesses its an to the lionesses and its an outrage should be there. Outrage and he should be there. And he does hes going on and if he does go, hes going on some seeking at and if he does go, hes going on sonlast seeking at and if he does go, hes going on sonlast minute seeking at and if he does go, hes going on sonlast minute and seeking at and if he does go, hes going on sonlast minute and all king at and if he does go, hes going on sonlast minute and all this at the last minute and all this kind whatever kind of thing. But whatever whatever whatever whatever the whatever a politician does in this space, theyre to get criticised. Theyre going to get criticised. Think think that is yes, i think i think that is a danger. Youve a danger. But i think youve everythings i everythings on balance and i think on i think that think on balance i think that the of course thered be the yes, of course thered be some werent, some cynics if he werent, thered be some critics. But i think its such an important moment, first final since moment, the first final since 1966, world final, 1966, first World Cup Final, that been in, that the england sides been in, that the england sides been in, that he should he should definitely go. And think definitely go. And i think between they share between him and they could share a the keep the a play to keep the keep the green credentials regular go on a regular flight. Absolutely business i think its if it was the blokes theyd be there if i was doing the pr you know when the comms for somebody i say and of course you have to be there and other people i read this week saying actually quite sexist. Were quite sure if they were quite sure if the men fight. Men were in the fight. Absolutely. Absolutely. What think i mean, what do you think about that, i mean, about that, kevin . I mean, i suppose some people you know, everyones cheering the everyones cheering on the lionesses but lionesses and everything, but some you some people might say, look, you know, and the know, its brilliant and all the rest but its not as rest of it, but its not as important as the men. Thats the would you thats the what would you said just say, said that would you just say, mr de fighting . Your weekend sorted. Thats your weekend sorted. Youre going to be the doghouse . I say that. I said i didnt say that. I said that some people like that i said some people like maybe australia maybe i should go to australia to get away from him, watch the game. Game. No, game. No, you game. No, you come with me on my passport. He should be. He should be. That is the question. Is the womens world cup as womens World Cup Final as important World Cup Final . Course it is. And lets of course it is. And lets give some credit to boris , give some credit to boris, because we dont often give him give some credit to boris, bectcredit. E dont often give him give some credit to boris, bectcredit. But1t often give him give some credit to boris, bectcredit. But1t ofterajive him give some credit to boris, bectcredit. But1t oftera greatim any credit. But theres a great any credit. But theres a great a bofis any credit. But theres a great a boris today in a great piece by boris today in his in his writing, his little article he about if article where he talks about if it to him, he would drag it was up to him, he would drag the watch the the taliban in to watch the final just to show boris and the world would show boris. Boris would show the world exactly what we should be doing to promote ladies these days. Promote ladies these days. Can i just say, have you seen the bunting in the front of number 10 is absolutely pathetic. Its in the telegraph. Got its got a great picture. Its literally of. It looks literally two sort of. It looks like theyve on like theyve got them on a petrol station with with petrol station free with with free free with fill free with their free with a fill up. Can do better up. I think we can do better than that. Get than that. We cant get on a plane, can we . Get the bunting. Careful on being careful oh, careful on being careful with money. With taxpayers money. Rich enough. Can rishi is rich enough. He can afford a few bit of afford to pay for a few bit of bunting himself. Now. He went to pub with some of he went to a pub with some of the players. If the parents of the players. If they werent or they werent over there or thats enough. Okay, thats not good enough. Okay, next story now. News day and all its a heavy news day and all the weve got the rest of it, but weve got a its a saturday. Try and be a bit more light hearted as well. And stories, you and these stories, as you all know, my in the sun know, catch my eye in the sun page eight every time sat page eight every time im sat next feel yeah. Next to you feel yeah. To sit in like be my position to sit in like be naked women or sex page 18 and in the second hour ive got an even one then hang fire even better one then hang fire because in the second half ive got an absolute belter. But this one will just, just keep you going for now. A warm up for the warm keep you going for now. 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I said fish and chip and we were looking forward to seeing you in next hour. To seeing you in the next hour. Said, hes got an but as he said, hes got an even worse. Might leaving. You i might be leaving. You disappear. Disappear. You might disappear off before we do. Have you got another story there . Just very another story there . Just a very quick one. I love the story that relates to sylvie berman. The ex french ambassador whos criticising and slagging off our rishi because shes saying, look, its impossible. The fact they cant impossible. The fact they cant stop the boat. Its not going to happen. The stop the boat. Its not going to happen. The fact that we give them 480 million is irrelevant, right . Because well, think we right . Because well, i think we should and out of should be looking for and out of the million is the 480 million is accountability. 80 some of the 480 million is a absolutely extraordinary. Thats not getting a lot for 480 million. Certainly shes million. So certainly shes exposed drone would exposed the true drone would tell us exactly where the problems are then we can problems are and then we can deal it. Deal with it. Perfect. Perfect. You both very much. Thank you both very much. Well the next. Were well see you in the next. Were brave youre for brave enough. Youre brave for my story in the next my belt in story in the next story coming up, well get an update on gb news. Dont kill Cash Campaign by speaking to a man who is pushing back against pubs who are going cashless. See you shortly peoples. Channel welcome back. Its 1025 now, according to uk finance, 23 of all payments were made with cash in 2019. Thats a massive 60 decrease from a decade earlier. Now, the gb news dont kill cash petition passed over 300,000 signatures this week just hours after our team delivered the petition to downing street. As the treasury took action straight away to ensure that everyone could access a cashpoint within a three mile radius. Three mile radius. But one man has been on the warpath against a Cashless Society by joining the Payments Choice Alliance and making a list of all businesses that only accept card payments. Is also secured. Assurances from organisations such as food and dnnk organisations such as food and drink giant mitchell mitchells and butler that they should always accept cash if customers have no other way to pay. Have no other way to pay. Well, joining us now is that very martin of the very man, martin quinn of the Payments Choice Alliance. So Payments Choice Alliance. So ill call you a cash crusade. I ill call you a cash crusade. I like that. You like that. So what does a cash crusader do . What does a cash crusader do . What are you tactics . Right what we simply. What were simply doing what ive been doing just recently is to going going into pubs in london, taking my cameraman ash around and trying to pay with a tenner or a £20 note. And what were seeing is a lot of the a lot of the pubs, especially around shoreditch and hoxton, not shoreditch and hoxton, are not accepting cash. Its just card only. Theyre using all only. And theyre using all sorts covid sorts of excuses like the covid pandemic or just no excuse at all, just refusing it. Well, i mean, what should happeni well, i mean, what should happen i mean, isnt this something that can be decided by the free market . I mean, if so many people want to pay by cash , then presumably therell be plenty that plenty of places that will accept its probably just accept cash. Its probably just accept cash. Its probably just a that people dont a reflection that people dont do it. Do we need to do anything now . Not just leave it to now . Can we not just leave it to the decide . The free market to decide . You do, but at the end you could do, but at the end of the best thing to do of the day, the best thing to do is actually is in theory, boycott. Just youre not boycott. Just if youre not accepting your go accepting your cash, go somewhere your somewhere that will take your cash. About all the cash. But what about all the vulnerable dont cash. But what about all the vulne smartphones, dont cash. But what about all the vulne smartphones, that dont have smartphones, that dont have smartphones, that dont have a of debit cards . You have a range of debit cards . You know theyre being financially know, theyre being financially excluded and why should they be excluded and why should they be excluded when you can actually just put a till draw in loads . It up with change and accept, but many, many businesses say you say they dont have any excuses , but i know some excuses, but i know some businesses say that they fear theft. They have theft from from the members of staff or the criminals coming into their shop, whatever it might be, by going cashless, it means that theyre stopping any chance of theft, either internally or externally. Isnt that a reasonable way for them to seek to overcome the problem of theft . That does them so much damage . Well well, it might be, but you could argue that the police should be trying catch should be trying to catch shoplifters and then shoplifters as well. And then theyve but theyve got security guards. But just it another just think of it another way. Look amount fees that look at the amount of fees that visa and mastercard are charging. Small. You know, some Small Businesses up to 3. 5. Theyre being per transaction. Being charged per transaction. If youve got a small pub or a small shop , you know, that could small shop, you know, that could be hundreds of pounds of fees. Youre youre losing out your bottom every single month. Bottom line every single month. And if just took cash, you and if you just took cash, you would would you would save would you would you would save those those fees. Would you would you would save tho therese fees. Would you would you would save tho theres also. Would you would you would save tho theres also credit card theres also credit card fraud, isnt it . You can do cash, you know, theft, but you can do credit card fraud, but only different. What is your main you talk about main reason you talk about the vulnerable cities their vulnerable cities of their people who are maybe elderly or arent as able with, you know, a Cashless Society. But other Cashless Society. But other people talk about freedoms and removing cash removes freedoms. I mean, what is your argument to keep cash . Well well, it does. I mean, well well, it does. I mean, what simply want is, is what we simply want is, is a payment choice act passed. Now, what is that need what that means is that we need to businesses in law, to compel businesses in law, that they must accept cash , must that they must accept cash, must accept there are actually accept cards. There are actually payment choice laws being passed in france, norway, spain just recently, and certain states in the us have actually passed it. So theres a political will. It can be done. We just need this government or the next government or the next government pass government to just pass a payment choice act, access to cash is brilliant. Delighted. What gb news have done, but that is thats only half story. Is thats only half the story. You say payment so when you say payment choice, that means you would force business to accept force every business to accept everything. If what everything. So if what im saying is might be some saying is there might be some businesses cash businesses who only accept cash because they dont to pay because they dont want to pay the card fees or whatever the credit card fees or whatever it be. The credit card fees or whatever it in be. The credit card fees or whatever it in the e. The credit card fees or whatever it in the same token. The credit card fees or whatever it so the same token. The credit card fees or whatever it so would ne token. The credit card fees or whatever it so would you ken. The credit card fees or whatever it so would you would you force so would you would you force them cards . Them to take cards . Well, theyd have to. Thats them to take cards . Payment1eyd have to. Thats them to take cards . Payment choice. |ve to. Thats them to take cards . Payment choice. We to. Thats them to take cards . Payment choice. We need ats them to take cards . Payment choice. We need we a payment choice. We need we need there because need the choice there because that be our argument. They that would be our argument. They need to take both, need to they need to take both, end story. Some some end of story. Some some retailers. Theres a butcher near in carshalton on his near me in carshalton and on his window he has a card transactions. It has to be over £8. But theres a cashpoint next door from the co op, so he just directs them there to take money out. But in other words. So hes obviously being hes obviously being his profits are being eaten by these card fees. Hence eaten by these card fees. Hence he said £8. It is limit. Well, how would that happen with your forcing people to take everything. Would able to everything. Would he be able to still do. Well youd have to obviously hes got a card machine in there. He still takes it. He takes he takes cards but takes cash, he takes cards but hes got a limit per hes got a limit of £8 per transaction. Transaction. Martin, thank you very much. Martin, thank you very much. Say you what i would say before you 90, 9 what i would say before you go, go on. We need yes, we need we need your constituents around the country. Right to your mp payment. Choice payment. Choice alliance. Org take action right to your constituents like lauren allen actually wrote to you. Allen actually wrote to you. Thats martys just putting a broadcast there. So thank you broadcast there. So thank you for that. Martin and we obviously want to know what you think. Do you think places should be forced to take cash cards . Everything that want cards . Everything that you want to he right or is he to take is he right or is he wrong or should it be left to the free market . Should be wrong or should it be left to the toe market . Should be wrong or should it be left to the to businessesshould be wrong or should it be left to the to businesses to uld be wrong or should it be left to the to businesses to decide be wrong or should it be left to the to businesses to decide for left to businesses to decide for themselves . You us know what themselves . You let us know what you views you think. Gb views at gb news. Com has gone bust . Well, thats what will hutton, former editor of the observer, with burgeoning observer, thinks with burgeoning national debt, its trebled in the past years. The past 20 years. Fastest growth in the the fastest growth in the second and statistics Second World War and statistics showing that 1 in 3 children live poverty. Country live in poverty. The country certainly against it. Certainly up against it. Well, hutton joins us now. Well, hutton joins us now. Will hutton joins us now to discuss problems and discuss these problems and potential. I have to potential solutions. I have to say, i read your article last week, cracking article. If you dont mind me saying, but it was all about britains bust. Its got back against the wall. Got its back against the wall. Its been overspending for some time been able to, time and hasnt been able to, which in the past it would have done belt and had done tightened its belt and had used other methods to get itself back on track. But i want to know , is britain now unable to know, is britain now unable to tighten its belt, live within its means . Its means . Oh, i can do that. But its going to be its going to be very protracted. And theres a lot of risks in doing it. Actually, thats the other issue. I it. Actually, thats the other issue. I think. So for example , issue. I think. So for example, i mean, you could you could kind of raise Interest Rates to protect the pound. You could protect the pound. You could raise raise taxation by more than we currently are doing, and you could cut public expenditure. But the problem with all those opfionsis. But the problem with all those options is that public options is that now Public Services near the Bone Services are so near the bone and the way tax is structured, a lot of ordinary people would find themselves in the middle of a crisis , really a cost of living crisis, really feeling it. So, you know, its obviously any country , any obviously any country, any economy can belton can tighten its belt. But actually, you know, there are limits to being able to do that without tipping people over. Able to do that without tipping people over. And a lot of our financial structures, i mean , financial structures, i mean, house prices are 12 times average earnings in london. There are nine times average earnings in the rest of the country. People like to support house prices , requires people house prices, requires people having, you know , disposable having, you know, disposable income right there at the fingertips. And if they dont have it because having to pay taxes to claw the country out of trouble, you could see a crack in the housing market. So you know, were walking a tightrope. I think its fair to say that youre on the sort of left of the spectrum rather the political spectrum rather than right. And so i was than the right. And so i was rather intrigued this because rather intrigued by this because historically be historically it would be conservative politicians who would there no money and would say there is no money and it would be people the left it would be people on the left whod yes, but hold whod say, yes, but hold on, were sixth richest country whod say, yes, but hold on, wethe sixth richest country whod say, yes, but hold on, wethe sixtiand1est country whod say, yes, but hold on, wethe sixtiand1est c is1try whod say, yes, but hold on, wethe sixtiand1est c is money in the world. And there is money if want. There to money if you want. There to be money and of it. And and all the rest of it. And i was rather intrigued that the words that you use in your article, stop article, you know, lets stop kidding ourselves with the that were nation and get real. Were rich nation and get real. The uk has gone bust in the past. Could fight our out past. We could fight our way out by tightening. Uk has by bell tightening. The uk has been its in been living beyond its means in every way. Its not really the every way. Its not really the kind of message that you would normally associate somebody normally associate with somebody on left. It. On the left. Is it. Well, mean. I mean, you can call me the left and i like to think of myself as liberal or social democrat really. But the social democrat really. But the you know, there are realities to the you know, to the Economic Situation at the moment. And i mean , productivity is dire. It mean, productivity is dire. It hasnt its been frozen and virtue for 15 years. And i suppose, you know, part of the point of the article was to say , you know, where you sit in the political spectrum, right or left , and, political spectrum, right or left, and, you political spectrum, right or left , and, you know , political spectrum, right or left, and, you know , theres a left, and, you know, theres a kind of theres a we need a kind of coming together and a recognition of how deeply kind of issues are and consequently kind of a National Discussion about what to do and i dont think that the tax cutting agenda of liz truss would work. I think we have to really think about kind of investment, investment, investment, and were going to have to persuade overseas investors who hold our currency that actually what were doing makes sense. You were doing makes sense. You know, we are and as i said in the article, depending on the kindness of strangers. So its a kindness of strangers. So its a kind of and, you know, and i think some changing the machinery of governments required and some reform in the city of london is required. There are some kind of there is there are some kind of hopeful auguries. I mean, i think that i was very think that i mean, i was very pleased see jeremy hunt in pleased to see jeremy hunt in the house tiptoe the Mansion House speech tiptoe towards persuading pension towards persuading our Pension Funds. They should more funds. They should take more risk in fact, british start ups and up. So thats to and scale up. So thats got to be at bigger scale be done at much bigger scale than hunts. Well, just than jeremy hunts. Well, just but i think just quick, just quickly, if we can, i mean, there was what struck me, there was no mention in your article of the impact of locking down the for years the economy for two years and the economy for two years and the consequences the drastic consequences that thats the economy and thats had for the economy and for national debt. And all rest it. And all the rest of it. I wondered why you hadnt mentioned that, but i was also intrigued said about intrigued by what you said about risk support in risk and Enterprise Support in risk. Is what you risk. And enterprise is what you said and does that look said and what does that look like in the real world . Does that cuts for that mean tax cuts for entrepreneurs . Mean , you entrepreneurs . Does it mean, you know, how do you see promoting risk enterprise . Risk and enterprise . Well , i risk and enterprise . Well, i theres a lot of things to do. Some autonomously. But i do think that , for. But i do think that, for example, heres a piece of good news. And britain has got 44 unicorns. Thats companies which are 1 billion of market capitalisation. Theyre not capitalisation. Theyre not publicly quoted and only china and the United States have got more than us, but theyre just single Standalone Companies that dont constitute industries. And what i would like to see is the establishment of a future growth fund and Pension Funds paying money into it from a defined contribution Pension Funds as as floated at the match in our speech in july, and then really get behind these start ups and scale up. Its in a big way. Its really kind of you talk to them, its the second and third and fourth and fifth round of financing that justifies their growth. But thats just one tiny thing. Money spent on r d get behind infrastructure spending, really scale up the Uk Infrastructure Bank really scale up the British Business bank. Well, get serious about, well, lets get serious about, you , the institutions that you know, the institutions that can help our the Fast Growing Companies and there are them, you know, really get big and build new industries off the back of it. Will hutton, thank you very much joining us this much indeed for joining us this morning because its certainly a debate be having. Weve debate well be having. Weve also out on this. Do also put out a poll on this. Do you think that the uk is gone . Bust it is. How do you get out of it . Well still there about putting money in an investment. Wed say tighten belt. Wed say tighten your belt. Hence first hence that was my first question. No longer question. Can we no longer tighten belts . Do we always tighten our belts . Do we always do politicians keep do politicians always keep giving money away . Havent giving money away . They havent stopped there isnt. Other stopped hs2. There isnt. Other things that cant things are saying that we cant do. Do. Mean i will is not yeah. No i mean i will is not of political ilk. Really but of my political ilk. Really but hes. But hes a free thinker and i think hes always very interesting. And he started the conversation other people conversation that other people werent have. Absolutely anyway, coming the anyway, coming up is the triple the state triple lock for the state pension still affordable . Well be form pensions be asking the form of pensions minister it, and minister who introduced it, and well also be speaking to legendary manager legendary footballer manager Harry Redknapp about the lionesses chances tomorrow. Im convinced theyre going to win. Yeah, definitely. But to win. Yeah, definitely. But here is the weather that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Its a slow improving picture. Over the weekend. Yes, it will over the weekend. Yes, it will still be rather breezy across the north west and some scattered showers. Storm betty starting to ease and move away now. So the isobars start to widen as High Pressure builds in from the south. So there will be showers, but plenty of warm , showers, but plenty of warm, sunny too, for saturday sunny spells, too, for saturday afternoon. Weve got a scattering of showers across england and wales. The best of the towards the the sunshine towards the south east where winds will be lightest. Winds still gusty lightest. Winds still gusty towards northwest, but towards the northwest, but easing the day goes still easing as the day goes on. Still showery outbreaks of rain pushing northwards across scotland. For scotland. Heavy showers for Northern Ireland. Temperatures generally the low 20s, generally reaching the low 20s, but towards 25 or 26 across southeast england. So in that southeast england. So in that sunshine it will be quite a warm afternoon into the evening time. Still a few showers around the low pressure system just starting edging away a little further. There will a few further. So there will be a few showers winds easing showers and the winds easing here. Clearer skies towards the east of the uk and temperatures still fairly warm night to come. Holding up in double figures, 14 to 16 celsius across many areas. So a brighter start on sunday. Less windy than it has been compared to this morning and dunng compared to this morning and during the day. It will be a fairly calm day across england and wales. Some scattered showers bubbling up through into the still the afternoon. Still breezy across of northern across parts of Northern Ireland, northwest scotland and here, temperatures overall reaching low 20s , highs of reaching the low 20s, highs of 25 towards the southeast i that 5mm that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news radio. Welcome back. Lots. Have you welcome back. Lots. Have you been getting in touch about, particularly about lucy letby . Particularly about lucy letby . Esther yes. Carol here saying what many of our viewers are thinking, and thats she said, i feel this person, lucy letby, must be forced to appear in court for her final sentencing, for her, for the families , for for her, for the families, for the jury, for the authorities. And so that she understands the enormity of her actions. Enormity of her actions. Otherwise, justice has not been served. Served. Keith says your presenters and guests are constantly referring to this convicted person monster. Person as evil and a monster. They also , in their they are also, in their comments, hell bent on requiring punishment revenge. Punishment and revenge. Of course, persons actions course, this persons actions were we need to were abhorrent, but we need to understand why became the understand why she became the person she no one is person that she was. No one is born evil. People are at any point in their a Product Point in their lives a product of all that has gone before. Let of all that has gone before. Let us know what you think. Gb views gbnews. Com. Now last year the total bill for state pensions its 110 billion and by 2025 its forecast to reach 135 billion. That would be more than spending on defence, on education and the home office combined. Its such a huge bill is potentially down to several things. People are living longer on average and the triple system has meant that pension payments rise by whatever is the largest inflation annual wage growth or 2. 5 this year. That rise was 10. Now its been reported that 30 of respondent to a new pension poll said that they do not think the pensions would exist in 30 years time. Many of those who took part in the poll also thought they would not retire until their 70s or doubted if they would ever be able to retire at all. Well, joining us now to look at this situation is steve webb, partner at former lib dem pensions minister and partner at lcp. Steve, thanks so much for lcp. Steve, thanks so much for joining us. Many people say that the triple lock is unsustainable. You were the you were the pensions minister who introduced the triple lock. This is your baby. Are people right is your baby. Are people right to say its no longer sustainable . Sustainable . I dont think they are. I dont think they are. I dont think they are. And if you go back to 2010, the reason it started in the first place was because of the previous 30 years. And over that 30 years, the policy was to link the pension just to inflation. So youll remember one year the pension went up £0. 75 and there was a big outcry because it was just inflation and the reason that matters is pensions are to replace what you used earn. Replace what you used to earn. You been used to you know, if youve been used to earning year, 30,000, earning 30,000 a year, 30,000, £30,000 and suddenly the pensions 10,000, thats a massive drop. Now. Yes, we hope people will have private pensions as but many pensions as well. But many dont. So the pension, the state pension to have some link to pension has to have some link to what earning. For 30 what people are earning. For 30 years, didnt. Point years, it didnt. So the point of lock was of the triple lock was a formula, ratchet. If you like, formula, a ratchet. If you like, to try and recover the damaged 1 in 30 years. And here we are 13, 14 years later and weve started to recover. But theres still some way go. Some way to go. Seems to me over the steve it seems to me over the years its always gone up years its always either gone up with wages or it went up with inflation. Then there was a triple lock. Are we saying were constant going to refine constant going to have to refine how pensions are uprated . I mean , did you think at the time that the triple lock would be a temporary measure . Temporary measure . It certainly needed to go on for a decent length of time. As i say, if youre trying to recover 30 years of damage, you know, stability. If you know, that was stability. If you like, but bad stability, in my view, the pension, you view, because the pension, you know, we have its often said, one lowest state pensions one of the lowest state pensions in world. There in the western world. And there is we needed this is a reason why we needed this ratchet and remember ratchet. And youll remember for the coalition if id the years of coalition if id had go to George Osborne each had to go to George Osborne each year and can i have a bit year and say, can i have a bit more for the pension, please . Like oliver twist, you know what the would have been . We the answer would have been . We needed formula. A needed a formula. We needed a rule. A ratchet. And rule. We needed a ratchet. And thats going thats whats been going on for the last years so. It the last 13 years or so. It shouldnt go on forever. What shouldnt go on forever. What should we should do is a should we should do is have a target, which should be, lets should we should do is have a target, ipension ould be, lets should we should do is have a target, ipension should, lets should we should do is have a target, ipension should be ts say the pension should be a third of the average wage or something and then Something Like that. And then you private you have a private pension, a workplace and workplace pension on top, and thats enough to live on. So lets decide the pension lets decide what the pension should get to should be. Lets get it to that level then can have a you level and then we can have a you know, more situation. Know, a more stable situation. Well youre youre an well steve, youre youre an experienced and wily politician i you know that as soon as youve introduced something, its virtually impossible then to remove for political reasons. So is it not a bit fanciful to think that once weve hit this sort of target that you think we should be aiming for, that any government will be able to get away with saying, well, thats it, there, now it, now weve got there, now were going to get rid of this triple lock. It it not . Triple lock. Is it is it not . Now, here to stay now, politically here to stay forever . Probably not forever. I mean, the fact that were having this conversation moment shows conversation at the moment shows the keeping it. You the tension of keeping it. You know, pressure there know, there is a pressure there are other things we want to spend on, including, i spend money on, including, i should things should say, money for things that care about. That Older People Care about. You if im waiting for you know, if im waiting for a hip replacement, if im waiting for social care and were told there for money that, there isnt the for money that, but every year the pension gets hiked, as a voter hiked, i might even as a voter say, you know what, if you say, well, you know what, if you said were going to pause said to me, were going to pause the lock hold, but the the triple lock or hold, but the money from doing that money we save from doing that will get hit will mean youll get your hit done get your done quicker. Mean you get your social assessment. Social care assessment. You know, you could know, so i think you could be clever about how you did it, but at it will have to at some point it will have to stop. Its how we get there. Steve, i know this is complicated, answer complicated, but a quick answer if simon heffer if you can, because simon heffer wrote earlier this wrote an article earlier this week, young truth. Week, tell the young the truth. They pension, they wont get a state pension, although thats a difficult message. Is there some logic behind what simon heffer was saying . Theyve time saying . Because theyve got time to future in the to plan for their future in the way that current pensioners dont. If you thought they could build up enough on their own, that would be fine. But if you think about the sort of jobs, lots of young people have, the costs perhaps even costs of rent, perhaps even paying costs of rent, perhaps even paying rent retirement, the paying a rent in retirement, the idea have a state idea that we dont have a state pension all just doesnt seem pension at all just doesnt seem right by all means, right to me. Yes, by all means, encourage save right to me. Yes, by all means, encou1but save right to me. Yes, by all means, encou1but my save right to me. Yes, by all means, encou1but my goodness, save right to me. Yes, by all means, encou1but my goodness, theyvele more. But my goodness, theyve got other things to spend on at the other than pensions. The moment other than pensions. Ever steve webb, thanks ever so much joining this much for joining us this morning. Appreciate morning. We really appreciate your more experts a nobody more experts on a double. You. Nobody more experts on a d0lit e. You. Nobody more experts on a d0lit was you. Nobody more experts on a d0lit was said you. Nobody more experts on a d0lit was said it u. Nobody more experts on a d0lit was said it at the same. It was said it at the same. It was said it at the same. Theres nobody more experts on than steve. Theres nobody more experts on we than steve. Theres nobody more experts on we alson steve. Theres nobody more experts on we also askede. Theres nobody more experts on we also asked our no. We also asked our viewers, do you think the triple lock is sustainable . Results lock is sustainable . The results are and 62. 7 of you said yes are in and 62. 7 of you said yes , the triple lock is sustainable , 37. 3 of you said no. No, it , 37. 3 of you said no. No, it was not. Thank you for taking part in that. Now, tomorrow , the england now, tomorrow, the england womens team is set to compete in their historic World Cup Final against spain after the beat australia 3 1 in that fantastic semi final on wednesday. Its the first time england have ever got to the womens World Cup Final. However , Prince William and however, Prince William and the Prime Minister have been criticised attending criticised for not attending the final well, potentially 24 hours and 90 minutes away from their first ever world crown. First ever world cup crown. By former were now joined by former premier League Manager and legend Harry Redknapp. Harry, thanks for joining us. Legend Harry Redknapp. Harry, thanks forjoining us. What im intrigued to know from you is that, know , if youre the that, you know, if youre the manager of a of a team and theyre about to take part in theyre about to take part in the biggest of their the biggest game of their career, what do you do . What do you say to those players to make sure that these dont sort of freeze on the on the big occasion . Have you just got to try to keep and relax, feel, you know , keep and relax, feel, you know, and you know , you dont want to and you know, you dont want to be putting enough pressure on the game. The whole countrys willing them to win. So i think youve got to keep it relaxed and have a know, have a bit of fun a you know, have a bit of fun around the as much as you around the place as much as you can and really not get them too hyped. And 2 10 about the hyped up. And 2 10 about the game out and play do game just go out and play do what youve done so far to get us to this final. We do that, us to this final. If we do that, well win game. Got well win the game. Thats got to be message really, dont to be the message really, dont you just just relax. And you know . Just just relax. And its a great opportunity to go out make but you out and make history. But you know, without putting, dont overdo the pressure on them. Just keep them. Keep them up and keep them relaxed as much as you can. Thats just a day, 24 hours to that game. Obviously, ill to that game. Obviously, ill never be 24 hours before that game. What will they be doing now . What will they be doing in those girls . Those girls . Well, theyll be training today , so theyll be obviously today, so theyll be obviously trying little training session. It wont be anything too hectic. It will be quiet. There may be they run through a few set plays. Theyll do, you know , set plays. Theyll do, you know, set plays, four set plays against the level, the positional play of where the opposition, where spain will go from corner three kicks what they try to do. So the level theyre marking, who theyre going to mark in the game this is your and theyre getting it put them in their positions and theyll run through some set plays and theyll probably end with theyll probably end up with a little little fun game and little game, little fun game and nice bright. No contact. Nice and bright. Not no contact. You dont want any injuries, but just to keep them having a laugh and them bright and, you and keeping them bright and, you know, put Little Something on know, put a Little Something on their have their game where the losers have to coffees after to buy the coffees after training you know , training or whatever, you know, a little bit of an edge to it as well. But there wont be doing anything too, too anything thats too, too strenuous today or where they could up injuries. Could pick up any injuries. Theyll get through theyll just want to get through the getting and the day and getting ready and then go back to the then theyll go back to the hotel theyll come hotel and theyll relax. Come down dinner and what down for their dinner and what you believe tv and. Yeah theyll be playing there, whatever you know whatever games theyve got, therell be, theyll be as relaxed as they can. Now having the manager, sanna now having the manager, Sarina Wiegman has learned lots of plaudits throughout the throughout tournament. But throughout the tournament. But whats whats what how do whats the whats what how do you think should she be given the chance to manage . You know, some people are saying shes well, doesnt manage well, why doesnt she manage a Mens Premier League Football Team . Mens premier League Football team be the person to replace even be the person to replace Gareth Southgate . I mean, would she be able to slot into that kind of position easily . If youre a good manager, are you a good manager wherever youre manager . If she did slot in, shed save them a few. Bob wouldnt they. Shes 000. Gareth they. Shes on 100 000. Gareth southgate 100,000. 400,000. Southgate on 100,000. 400,000. 5 million. No, 5 million. No, 5 million. Shes not going to be ready to manage the england team though. The mens team cant see that be truthful with that really. To be truthful with you, be lying sat and you, id be lying if i sat and said, itd be great said, yeah, itd be a great idea. I dont that idea. I dont i dont see that at she wants to get at all. If she wants to get into, you know, if she feels going into the mens game, i think going to have think shes going to have to start start somewhere and earn her mens game. Her stripes in the mens game. You shes taking the you know, if shes taking the league if i dont see her league team, if i dont see her getting a walking straight into the league, you know , the premier league, you know, shes done fantastic. But its shes done fantastic. But its very, very different. Its you know, i think shes shed have to go like like people who manage england team, they to go like like people who maneto england team, they to go like like people who maneto prove ngland team, they to go like like people who maneto prove themselves|, they have to prove themselves managing club teams first. I think shed have to if she goes in mens game, shed have in the mens game, shed have to go it whatever go and manage it and whatever level, you know, nothing to say. Listen, a bold chairman out listen, its a bold chairman out there who wants to have a go and break the mould. Fantastic. And break the mould. Fantastic. And if she can do it, itd be great. Why not . But id be lying if i said i could. She have been the next england manager after Gareth Southgate . Really dont Gareth Southgate . Really dont see that at all now , harry, just see that at all now, harry, just quickly, i thought of you when i read this in the daily star today. Page 18. Its about Alex Ferguson and hes right hand man. Rennie has written a book saying about when Alex Ferguson , theyre all waiting to get on the train away game. And the train for an away game. And alex missed Alex Ferguson missed the train because was busy watching because he was too busy watching the and the racing on his phone. And everyone took the mickey out of him found them all. A him and he found them all. A weeks wages for taking the mickey him. Have you ever mickey out of him. Have you ever missed because are missed a thing because you are too racing . Too busy watching the racing . Harry strikes as harry because it strikes me as a type thing. Do know , but type of thing. You do know, but i did have some great days with alex. G. we used to. Used 9 i mean, we used to. I used to get dressing room and, get in the dressing room and, you 2 00 take you know, 2 00 wed take the team me and fergie, and team sheet in me and fergie, and then back you had then wed go back and you had that 50 minutes or so, which is the minutes when the longest 50 minutes when youre the to youre waiting for the game to start the players are out on start and the players are out on the having up. The pitch, having a warm up. Theyre all the exercises theyre doing all the exercises. Go in alex office. I used to go in alex office and wed watch a bit of racing on yeah sure. But you on tv. Yeah for sure. But you know, done all work know, youve done all your work all you your set plays all week. You had your set plays organised, had their team, organised, you had their team, theres youre theres nothing to do. Youre just that dressing just sitting in that dressing room own because room all on your own because everybody else is out on the pitch, stretching, warming up, doing exercises. The doing their exercises. The fitness coaches , yours fitness coaches, yours assistants. So just would go and assistants. So just would go and join alex and everton, watch a bit of racing in his room before the game. Harry thanks for that. Weve weve got to go thank you so weve got to go but thank you so much joining us today and much for joining us today and coming up in the next hour, obviously the murderer obviously more on the murderer lucy letby as well as more on the lionesses and their final looks. Like things are heating up, boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im greg hurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Its a slow improving picture over the weekend. Yes, it will still be rather breezy across the north west and some scattered showers. Storm betty starting to showers. Storm betty starting to ease and move away now. So the isobars starting to widen as High Pressure builds in from the south. So there will be showers, but plenty of warm , sunny but plenty of warm, sunny spells, too, for saturday afternoon. Weve got a scattering of showers across england and wales. Best of the sunshine towards the south east where will be lightest. Where winds will be lightest. Winds still gusty towards the northwest easing day northwest, but easing as the day goes still showery outbreaks goes on. Still showery outbreaks of pushing northwards of rain pushing northwards across scotland. Showers across scotland. Heavy showers for Northern Ireland. Temperatures generally reaching the 20s, but towards 25 or the low 20s, but towards 25 or 26 across southeast england. So 26 across southeast england. So in that sunshine it will be quite a warm afternoon into the evening time. Still a few showers around the low pressure system just starting edging away a little further. So there will be a few showers and the winds easing here, skies easing here, clearer skies towards the east of the uk and temperatures still fairly warm night come , holding up in night to come, holding up in double figures, 14 to 16 celsius across many areas. So a brighter start on sunday. Less windy than it has been compared to this morning and during the day. It will be a fairly calm day across england and wales. Some scattered showers bubbling up through afternoon. Through into the afternoon. Still breezy across parts of Northern Ireland, northwest scotland temperatures scotland and here, temperatures overall reaching the low 20s , overall reaching the low 20s, highs celsius towards the highs of 25 celsius towards the southeast gb news away. Hello and welcome to saturday morning live with esther and phil. Now coming up this hour, after lucy, let be that neonatal nurse was convicted of murdering seven children and attempting to murder another six. Well be speaking to the man who caught serial killer Levi Bloomfield and also a psychologist to get inside the mind of the murderer. And weve got our paper viewers back again. Back again. Matthew was a former labour advisor and broadcaster and celebrity chef Kevin Woodford and i have got a very, very fun story from the sun today. Are you really wont want to miss that one . Tattoos do you like them . Are they a turn on or are they a turn off . Weve got the most tattooed man in Great Britain joining us later today. Quite shocking, actually. Told me some of the things. How about your eyeballs getting your eyes done as well . He said its obviously as well . He said its obviously a very different procedure, but well to about well be speaking to him about why it. Why hes done it. We dont agree about this. Its like i. Its quite like i. Well, hes got hate, though. Well, hes got hate, though. Hes got a lot. I hate tattoos. We want to know you so we want to know what you think and of course, think about that. And of course, its its sport its saturday, so its sport and showbiz magee showbiz with aidan magee and hayley course lots Hayley Palmer and of course lots of will be on the of focus will be on the lionesses final against spain tomorrow, well all be tomorrow, where well all be cheering them. On and of course, cheering them. On and of course, we want to hear what you think about all of these things. Email us gb views at gbnews. Com particularly about tattoos. But particularly about tattoos. But before all of that, heres the latest headlines with. Tamsin latest headlines with. Tamsin phil, thanks very much and good morning from the gb newsroom. Its 11 01. Good morning from the gb newsroom. Its11 01. The newsroom. Its 11 01. The families of babies murdered or harmed by lucy letby say their search for answers continues as investigations into her case widen. The countess of chester widen. The countess of Chester Hospital has come under scrutiny over whether more could have been done to stop the serial killer sooner. An independent inquiry will examine the hospitals handling of the case. Police will also investigate the care of 4000 babies who passed through the Neonatal Wards at the two hospitals where she worked yesterday. She was convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. Letby will be sentenced on monday. Sentenced on monday. Psychotherapist Lucy Beresford says her personality may have helped her avoid suspicion. Helped her avoid suspicion. Her colleagues found her very warm and approachable and likeable and the paediatrician who tried to raise the alarm about her allegedly at one point thought to himself, oh about her allegedly at one point thought to himself , oh gosh, not thought to himself, oh gosh, not nice. Lucy because there was a side to her that was very genial and thats what makes her crimes so doubly shocking that she could have this exterior of normality and pleasantness , but normality and pleasantness, but actually be capable of these crimes. Crimes. Police investigating the murder of sarah sharif in woking are still searching for her family. The ten year olds body family. The ten year olds body was found at her home last thursday morning after Police Received a call from her father, irfan sharif , in pakistan. Irfan sharif, in pakistan. Detectives say she suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time. Her sustained period of time. Her father, stepmother and uncle are wanted for questioning. They wanted for questioning. They travelled to islamabad along with five children a day before sarahs death was discovered. Sarahs death was discovered. Aged nk says hundreds of thousands of older people missed out on finding support for their energy bills. The Charity Claims energy bills. The Charity Claims more than 700,000 households didnt receive help from the energy bills. Support scheme alternative fund. It was set up for people with non direct supply arrangements, such as those living in care homes and mobile homes or on boats. But mobile homes or on boats. But age uk says the fund had completely flopped due to a complicated application process and a lack of publicity. A and a lack of publicity. A protest over the closure of Railway Ticket offices will be staged outside downing street later this month. The rmt union later this month. The rmt union says itll stage a mass rally on the 31st of august, which is the last day of the consultation process. It warns the move to process. It warns the move to close up to a thousand offices will put more than 2000 jobs at risk. The planned action comes as Cross Country train workers staged the first of four strikes over working conditions as rmt members will also walk out over the next three saturdays as a state of emergency has been declared in canadas Western Province of british columbia, where wildfires are threatening homes. Thousands of people have been evacuated from the area as fires burn in the hills and mountains above west kelowna , mountains above west kelowna, strong winds are fanning the flames with the fire Service Warning the blaze could reach the outskirts of the city by this weekend. Canada is facing its worst season on record , with its worst season on record, with more than 1000 active fires burning across the country. The burning across the country. The manager of the lionesses says her team is buoyed by the level of support ahead of tomorrows World Cup Final. England take on spain playing to win the trophy for the first time. Manager sanna for the first time. Manager Sarina Wiegman says the team has everything it needs to perform at the highest level. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. Ryan jobson, who start tomorrow. Ryan jobson, who trained right back. Lucy bronze has this message for her and the team. Team. Lucy what a girl you know, shes done very, very well. Were all very proud of it here in northumberland. Were all proud of all the lionesses theyve done a marvellous job and, you know, like you said, to get into the World Cup Final is just unbelievable. Were all very delighted. Very delighted. This is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now though, its back to esther and phil. Phil. Thanks, thompson. Welcome back to saturday morning with esther and phil. Now the 33 year old nurse lucy letby has been found guilty of murdering seven infants and attempting to kill six more whilst working on a Neonatal Ward at the countess of Chester Hospital, making her the most prolific child serial killer in modern british history i but what on earth could drive a young woman to commit such heinous acts and did the police act fast enough to prevent it . To delve into this, were now joined former metropolitan joined by former metropolitan Police Detective colin sutton, famed for catching the evil serial killer Levi Bellfield , serial killer Levi Bellfield, and the forensic psychologist , and the forensic psychologist, dr. Naomi murphy. So naomi, ill start with you. It seems that start with you. It seems that she managed to, i can only say, confuse people. Nobody thought it was her at all. Shes got friends coming out to defend or she did the managers at the hospital couldnt believe it was her at all. So lets get into the mind of her. Is she two people . Is that what it is . This evil killer and this person who seemed nice, innocent vanilla. Those are the words used to describe. Her describe. Her i think these kinds this kind of splitting and fragmentation of splitting and fragmentation of a person is not that unusual in people who commit acts of serious violence. So, you know, serious violence. So, you know, when people are emotionally disconnected from their feelings and not able to cope with their emotions, its possible for them to portray themselves as one thing in one situation and another person and another thing another person and another thing another person and another situation. You have assessed numerous people for acts of cruelty towards children , where theyve supplied lots of references from family, friends , relatives testifying that theyve been wonderful parents, when in fact the evidence has suggested otherwise. And i dont suggested otherwise. And i dont believe those people were lying. But i think these individuals can portray themselves as two very different people. And i think, you know, to some degree thats thats very accurate reflection of this person. And i think what helped the detectives say and find out and get the evidence, it was her. She had trophy at home. Shed kept no notes. Shed kept a diary. These kept no notes. Shed kept a diary. These trophies , why do diary. These trophies, why do they need them . They need them . I think this point of serial killing is extremely rare. Theres probably been less than 40 in the uk since jack the ripper. So 40 in the uk since jack the ripper. So were talking about a very, very rare kind of kind of murder. Most very, very rare kind of kind of murder. Most murders are carried out by people who are quick tempered, impulsive. They cant tempered, impulsive. They cant cope with their feelings and they lash out with rage. But actually, in the case of somebody whos killing repeatedly for theres a degree of thrill at these acts of murder means the incidents were very close to one another suggesting there wasnt a period of remorse or chaos afterwards, which is often what happens with people in murder under other circumstances. And so the idea circumstances. And so the idea that the act itself would potentially be quite thrilling and boost her narcissistic self esteem , its likely that self esteem, its likely that having these trophies at home was would serve as a reminder of that. Colin can i bring you in here . Obviously with your experience and expertise in these matters, the thing that struck me about this particular case was that to all intents and purposes, it seems that nobody could detect a motive for her committing these crimes. Could detect a motive for her committing these crimes. How rare is it for somebody to commit crimes of any level without any seeming motive for doing it . Doing it . I think everyone has a motive for what theyre doing. Whats rare is actually that we get to find out what the motive is because quite often these people are in denial they wont are in denial and they wont admit committed the admit that theyve committed the offences course, offences anyway. And of course, in case there never going in that case there never going to say why they did it. The to say why they did it. The important thing for investigators is often, and this may shock some people is that we are concerned with the who , the are concerned with the who, the where, the why, the who, the where, the why, the who, the where and the how and the why is kind of a secondary consideration for us. We dont need to know that to put them before the court and get them convicted. And, you know, were not were not psychologists and we dont need in the absence of sort of a being stuck and needing to look at motive as a potential indication of who might have committed it, which does sometimes happen when youve got your suspect and your interviewing youre interviewing and youre accumulating your evidence. The why isnt really that important i colin, you obviously he was a man who caught the serial killer, Levi Bellfield. What was it then with your i will only call it meticulous police work. Call it meticulous police work. How did you catch him in the end . How do you catch these serial killers . Serial killers . Yeah, i mean, this this , this yeah, i mean, this this, this there are some parallels between these cases, actually. As these cases, actually. And as naomi just said, you know, the most murders are committed spontaneously and not planned. And theyre the ones that generally you can throw you know, almost Infinite Resources and you will solve them. And thats why the conviction rate and detection rate for and the detection rate for murder is so high. Its those, you know, tiny percentage at the end where people go out intending to kill and therefore intending to kill and therefore intend to avoid detection that are the most difficult cases. And this case, you know, we had no there was no forensic evidence. There was no dna, no fibre, no fingerprints, none of that. What was needed was a meticulous and logical investigate to accumulate small pieces of circumstantial evidence that on their own perhaps might appear almost insignificant. But by the time they were put together, they can create a compulsive case. And thats what Chester Cheshire constabulary did. And i dont think we should underestimate the difficulty and the dedication and the skill with which they carried out this investigation over a long time. Investigation over a long time. Colin, naomi, thank you very much indeed for taking the time to join us this morning. We appreciate your expertise in these matters. Thank you. Now to look through the top stories of today, were delighted to be joined by celebrity chef and broadcaster and broadcaster Kevin Woodford and former labour adviser matthew lazard. Lazard. Who shall i start with . Go on, matthew. Yeah, so i mean , just yeah, so i mean, just following on from from what were about earlier were talking about earlier about and phil was about football and phil was saying, can any politician ever get it right . The get it right . Well, the telegraph, theres a in telegraph, theres a story in the yesterday which the telegraph yesterday which really which was really struck me, which was editor davey a cheering away and being it. And so being criticised for it. And so what do you do because i mean, you every politician now you know, every politician now is forced be a football fan, is forced to be a football fan, even if you dont like football. 30 ago. Can you imagine 30 years ago. Can you imagine sort Winston Churchill sort of Winston Churchill not being because didnt being popular because he didnt have out or have his west ham scarf out or something and, you know, maybe we have the we wouldnt have won the war because didnt elected because he didnt get elected because he didnt get elected because wasnt because because he wasnt a football and i just think, football fan. And i just think, yeah, national yeah, look, this is a National Event know, event tomorrow. You know, everybodys behind the lionesses. You know, im lionesses. But, you know, im not particularly football, not particularly into football, you if youre into you know, but if youre into politics, pretend politics, you have to pretend that i dont know that you are. And i dont know what think as what you guys think is as frontline politicians, do you feel i mean, peter feel forced to i mean, Peter Mandelson said, you know, feel forced to i mean, peter mar know,| said, you know, feel forced to i mean, peter mar know, the said, you know, feel forced to i mean, peter mar know, the first id, you know, feel forced to i mean, peter mar know, the first thingu know, feel forced to i mean, peter mar know, the first thing hed� w, you know, the first thing hed rescue from his house in his farm was hartlepool farm was his hartlepool united scarf though i scarf and love pizza, though i do. Not that do. I wouldnt im not sure that was strictly true. Was strictly true. Happens, i do love no. As it happens, i do love football. I do love sports. And football. I do love sports. And im Ticket Holder at im a season Ticket Holder at bradford is not bradford city. But is it not isnt youre adviser. Isnt the youre an adviser. Yeah. The advice should yeah. Surely the advice should be just be yourself. Absolutely not. Thats the advice i would always give. But i think sometimes take sometimes politicians dont take it they feel they have to do it and they feel they have to do it. Mean, we saw i think it it. I mean, we saw i think it was patel who just got it. I mean, we saw i think it was england atel who just got it. I mean, we saw i think it wasengland shirtvho just got it. I mean, we saw i think it wasengland shirt when st got it. I mean, we saw i think it was england shirt when the t it. I mean, we saw i think it wasengland shirt when the men the england shirt when the men were she got it were playing, she just got it out and it still had the out of the and it still had the creases from, from the creases in it from, from the packet thats worst packet and thats the worst thing. Yourself thing. Just be yourself if youre into football show it i mean kiss on for example is genuinely into football. This was bigger but i think this was bigger than a team than just if youve got a team that support. Yes. This was that you support. Yes. This was much bigger. This something much bigger. This is something that be. That we are going to be. I think were absolutely. I think were going to win. This is a National Moment that these going to win. This is a national momen have that these going to win. This is a national momen have taken that these going to win. This is a national momen have taken this hat these going to win. This is a national momen have taken this game ese going to win. This is a national momen have taken this game on. Women have taken this game on. Absolutely. 100. Absolutely. 100. You . Great, great how about you . Great, great segway politician be segway politician should be themselves. I agree themselves. Absolutely. I agree with you, matt. And thank goodness rayner goodness weve got Angela Rayner because what i want for my politician is somebody thats intelligent, mature , honest and intelligent, mature, honest and has my best interests at heart and but mature is really important and, and if were going to get a change of government in the next, whatever, a few months, then thank goodness youve got. Angela rayner because a Angela Rayner because she is a self she. Because at 46 self isnt she. Because at 46 years old, right. And a grandmother, she she can rave like the young ones. Thats what she says herself having having been to spain and drank away from 4 00 in the afternoon till 6 00 in the morning. Good on the girl. Thats what i say. Not girl. Thats what i say. Not right. Because i dont want that. And i dont want a politician thats going to really boast about that. I want a politician thats got to sort of really show me, show me the way. The way way. Whats the sensible way of living . Her recipe living . Right. And her recipe for really good night when she for a really good night when she ianes for a really good night when she invites is invites a mates around is a venom cocktail , which is one venom cocktail, which is one bottle of vodka, a bottle of southern comfort, ten bottles of wicked wkd, whatever is. Wicked wkd, whatever that is. Thankfully, ive never had it. And litre of orange juice. And a litre of orange juice. That must be healthy bit. If that must be the healthy bit. If you into a bucket you pour that all into a bucket , apparently, and everybody slurps through and slurps their way through it and she refers to starmer, her boss, being like a Civil Servant. I think id rather have somebody like a Civil Servant than somebody that spent two weeks on the to be quite frank with the binge to be quite frank with you, matthew, are you going to defend rayner . You, matthew, are you going to defwell, rayner . You, matthew, are you going to defwell, ill rayner . You, matthew, are you going to defwell, ill telliyner . You, matthew, are you going to defwell, ill tell you� . You, matthew, are you going to defwell, ill tell you what well, ill tell you what i mean. Angela does like, mean. Angela angela does like, she does like her, does she does like her, she does like a i remember a bit of a rave. I remember canvassing angela once and canvassing with angela once and getting back in a car and getting back in her in a car and down came roof, came off and down came the roof, came off and on. The hacienda top 20 on. When the hacienda top 20 hacienda moments it was in the days of cds onto the cd player. So angela was herself. I mean i think im not sure you would want a parliament full of angelas. Im not sure what a parliament full of keys. I think its having texture its about having texture and having different having people with different backgrounds and different outlooks so, you know, outlooks on life. So, you know, good her. You the good on her. Have you had the venom cocktail . Good on her. Have you had the venso cocktail . Good on her. Have you had the venso aftertail . Good on her. Have you had the ven so after after just so after after weve just been that politicians been saying that politicians should be themselves, surely thats thats a good thing that shes herself, isnt shes just being herself, isnt it . A good thing. It . Is a good thing. But what im saying shes but what im saying is shes not me. Not for me. Im saying. Thats what im saying. Thats what im saying. Im to going look at well, im to going look at another the papers another story here in the papers today, about the today, and thats also about the reshuffle. Does rishi reshuffle. So who does rishi sunak in his cabinet here . Sunak want in his cabinet here . Who is being moved on . Obviously, some of this has come about because some people have said theyre going to stand down. Dont be down. They dont want to be there anymore. Whether thats there anymore. So whether thats ben defence, whether ben wallace defence, whether that a health that was will quince as a health minister, wont be standing at the election , some people, the next election, some people, theyve said, what is he going the next election, some people, th dangen i think thats the big danger. West think youve hit danger. West i think youve hit the the so the nail on the head. So apparently had culture apparently weve had 13 culture secretaries you secretaries in 13 years. You know, i dont think that even even political like me even a political nerd like me could of them. Think could name half of them. I think the big danger is, is that its just reshuffling the deckchairs, the big danger is, is that its ju you shuffling the deckchairs, the big danger is, is that its ju you shuffli say he deckchairs, the big danger is, is that its ju you shuffli say he decitheiirs, if you might say so, on the titanic, even things are titanic, even if things are going well , people be going well, people should be left they left in their jobs. So they actually know what doing actually know what theyre doing and to , some and they have to, for some reason to hes the fall quy would you would you think thats right, that he should go . I dont think hes i i mean, i dont think hes i mean, there, mean, hes only been there, what, nine months . How mean, hes only been there, whyou nine months . How mean, hes only been there, whyou get nine months . How mean, hes only been there, whyou get to 1ine months . How mean, hes only been there, whyou get to gripsnonths . How mean, hes only been there, whyou get to grips on ths . How mean, hes only been there, whyou get to grips on the� how do you get to grips on the Health Service . The largest employer world, employer in the western world, in need people in nine months . You need people who people have been who are the people have been successes in the in this government like government with people like Michael First when michael gove in his first when he that four years that he had that that four years that the beginning the of he had that that four years that the tory beginning the of he had that that four years that the tory government the of he had that that four years that the tory government in the of he had that that four years that the tory government in education which before the tory government in education whi Tom Tugendhat or anne marie trevelyan morden . Trevelyan or penny morden . Well, i think it should be penny but think penny mordaunt, but i think theyll keep any more theyll want to keep any more than a sort of than as the kind of as a sort of one the front people in the one of the front people in the election. As leader of the house, shes able to go across all think theyll all topics, so i think theyll probably tom probably give it to Tom Tugendhat. John glenn, do you think any difference . I think got to kevin i think youve got to have keep people. You have them to keep people. You keep you see have them to keep people. You ketheyve you see have them to keep people. You ketheyve got you see have them to keep people. You ketheyve got theyve you see have them to keep people. You ketheyve got theyve � t0| see if theyve got theyve got to have hope a promotion of have the hope of a promotion of you line to run. You in line to run. Im not. Im not. Im not. I mean, i really think stability is pretty important in any profession, as is development. And dont i dont development. And i dont i dont understand how somebody can go into a role and expect them into a role and then expect them to be able to perform to the level that we need them to perform a short period of perform within a short period of time. Of the time. And thats one of the problems. I think stability problems. I do think stability is in any profession at is critical in any profession at all. Now, you, a belter now, i promise you, a belter or a second hour, we might avoid it. I thought you gave very lengthy. Yeah, we did. We agree i agreed. Were going to talk him out of this. I know what you. I know what you might be, but you you thought it might be, but you thought it was going to be page 19 the daily star with the 19 of the daily star with the billionaire who was started a penis rejuvenation therapy. His target achieve three hours target is to achieve three hours and 30 minutes worth of night time thats you time erections. Thats what you thought be, that one. But its not. But its not. That that was it was third place. No, exactly. Page 30. No, exactly. Page 30. Thought hed read it he still thought hed read it out. I said he was getting in and feel the and he didnt feel the opportunity that opportunity of reading that one. Youll excuse pun, if youll excuse the pun, its spread in the its a double page spread in the pages 36 and of the sun. It pages 36 and 37 of the sun. It was a songwriter visits a naturist retreat and finds its an altogether fun break. Well, the thing that struck me about this, apart from the photos of all naked women at the all the naked women at the naturist camp, was the first two paragraphs of this story, which i absolute belters. I thought were absolute belters. Is a on do like he is a carry on do like carry on films. Says, sorry madam, we are it says, sorry madam, we are all out of sausages. The way to tells me funny because tells me thats funny because ive plenty at the ive seen plenty at the breakfast bar this morning is the first two paragraphs of this. Anyway , this was her this. So anyway, this was her experience at nudist bed and experience at a nudist bed and breakfast are you kevin , breakfast place. Are you kevin, would you be persuaded to go on a figure man like you . A fine figure of a man like you . Would go on a naturist holiday . Yeah, i was. We had a neighbour when we lived in lincolnshire many years, years and years, many, many years ago. And they were nudists and they were they were nudists and they were they were nudists and they theres thing called. I should have been looking through the curtains, so. No. No, no, no. I was very fortunate. One day anyway. But they invited us to anyway. But they invited us to an open day at camp. The point was this was this was, you know, this. It was in crowle , which is this. It was in crowle, which is near doncaster. And it was october that we went. And the idea of taking anything off in october and i went, you went to an open day . An open day . Yes, an open day. Nudist what do you expect to do at an open . You go around trying to know. Oh, i thought you would. Oh no include but then were all. They were all closed. No they were closed that day. But the idea was they were trying get members. If trying to get new members. If youll pun. Youll excuse the pun. You do that . Would you do that . Would you do that . One didnt. One didnt. I think we should. I wouldnt. I think, you know, wouldnt. But i think, you know, philip, should go philip, i think we should go undercover gb news. Where undercover for gb news. Where would hidden camera . Would you put the hidden camera . Thered be more people laughing. You even need a little one. One. One. The other thing youre the other thing is, youre talking sausages at talking about the sausages at the about the breakfast part. What about health mean, health and safety . I mean, kevin doing barbecue doing the barbecue and then badly. Could be tricky when you it could be tricky when you find the chips as well. Isnt serving the or whatever, serving the soup or whatever, but more people but therell be more people laughing than crying. If i was newcastle now realise what i have to up it. Have to put up it. See what i mean . See what i mean . This is how you manage to do this every day. This is how you manage to do thisdoesy day. This is how you manage to do thisdoes he . Y. This is how you manage to do thisdoes he . Very lucky lately . Does he . Very lucky lately . Does he . Very lucky lately . This over just looking for this over the does he the cornflakes. Does he honestly, to lighten the cornflakes. Does he honmood, to lighten the cornflakes. Does he honmood, is to lighten the cornflakes. Does he honmood, is that to lighten the cornflakes. Does he hon mood, is that what lighten the mood, is that what invariably looks for these fruity. I will only call them fruity story. Thank you very much indeed for putting up with philip today anyway. Now coming up after the break, well be speaking to ian paisley and one of his constituents about a Fundraising Campaign for life saving surgery and how that came about. But first, its the all important whether especially if youre in a nudist colony , a youre in a nudist colony, a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Its a slow improving forecast. Its a slow improving picture over the weekend. Yes, it will still be rather breezy across the northwest and some scattered showers. Storm betty starting to ease and move away now. So the isobars starting to widen as High Pressure builds in from the south. So there will be showers, but plenty of warm, sunny spells, too, for saturday afternoon. Weve got a scattering of showers across england and wales. Best of the sunshine towards the south east where be lightest. Where winds will be lightest. Winds still gusty towards the northwest , but winds still gusty towards the northwest, but easing as day northwest, but easing as the day goes still showery outbreaks goes on. Still showery outbreaks of northwards of rain pushing northwards across scotland. Heavy showers for Northern Ireland. Temperatures reaching temperatures generally reaching the low 20s, but towards 25 or 26 across southeast england. So 26 across southeast england. So in that sunshine it will be quite a warm afternoon into the evening time. Still a few showers around the low pressure system just starting edging away a little further. So there will be few showers and the winds be a few showers and the winds easing here, clearing skies towards the east of the uk and temperatures still fairly warm night to come. Holding up in double figures, 14 to 16 celsius across many areas. So a brighter start on sunday. Less windy than it has been compared to this morning and during the day. It will be a fairly calm day across england and wales. Some scattered showers bubbling up through afternoon. Through into the afternoon. Still parts of still breezy across parts of Northern Ireland, northwest scotland here, temperatures scotland and here, temperatures overall reaching the low 20s, highs of 25 celsius towards the southeast. Southeast. A brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Britains news. Channel britains news. Channel welcome back. Time now is 1127. Your views have been coming in thick and fast. Weve got a time for a couple of them here, carol says your viewer , here, carol says your viewer, who said we need to understand why letby became a killer , has why letby became a killer, has really annoyed me. Why have we always got to look for an excuses for these monsters . Lots of people have childhood of people have had bad childhood , they dont turn into what , but they dont turn into what she turned into. This horrible creature. Creature. Lots of comments on pensions. The lock, says. The triple lock, jemmy says. Well, benefit. Well, its not a benefit. Theyve pension theyve paid into the Pension Scheme so they scheme through work. So they have every right to it and susan says triple lock a vital says the triple lock is a vital feature state pension feature of our state pension system. Stop pensioners system. Its to stop pensioners falling into poverty, keep falling back into poverty, keep those views coming in. Time now for a slightly different story. Family from Northern Ireland jetted off on houday Northern Ireland jetted off on holiday to portugal earlier this summer, for only one of them to obtain life threatening spinal injuries in a Swimming Pool accident. Accident. Chrissy falloon was taken to hospital in faro, where his family launched a fight to get him the life saving surgery he needs. After issues with insurer claims, the family launched a go fund me campaign to get the money to save their beloved chriss life. Familys efforts have been championed by their local mp ian paisley and were delighted now to be joined by ian, along with ricky fallon, get the latest ricky fallon, to get the latest on effort get chrissy on the effort to get chrissy home. Thanks both joining home. Thanks both for joining us. Ricky, if we can start with you. I mean, what is the latest on on on chrissy and how is this treatment going . Yeah. Hey positive news. He had his he had his he moved to a private hospital yesterday morning. And he had his operation about 6 00 last night. And about midnight we got to confirm that so far has been successful. And. Were waiting successful. And. Were waiting the same for the first time. Hes currently in icu. So well know more later today. But but yeah , its they go from pages yeah, its they go from pages has helped my family get this operation. So thank you ricky what actually happened . What actually happened . What actually happened . What actually happened . What actually happened . He was playing with his daughter and his son in the pool and. And he he dived in and he hit the bottom of the pool and broke his neck and back. And. Broke his neck and back. And. And then i was actually in just behind where im now in the house. And my niece turned them in the water and my nephew came and got me and obviously then i went into the pool and we stabilised him with the help of the complex community, and we held them in the pool for an hour and a half to two hours waiting in an ambulance. And it waiting in an ambulance. And it took to a public hospital. But he they told us it was going to take about three weeks for the operation, which obviously was too long. And so i contacted my Insurance Company to say, look , Insurance Company to say, look, theyve advised us to go private , please, can you authorise. And , please, can you authorise. And they then they reviewed the policy and came back the same day to tell that they were voided and my brothers insurance, which covered him for accident. Accident. And we bring you in here now because obviously they reached out to you at this desperate time , this time in need. What time, this time in need. What are you helping the family to do . Well, good morning and thank you for taking this story because it is very important and probably a salient lesson to anyone who has taken out insurance and it doesnt perform for them. For them. And thats exactly the situation the family have find themselves. And i thankfully with the generosity of thousands of people across north antrim and ballymena in particular, the money has been raised that has allowed the family to make sure that the operation is carried out now and hopefully will stabilise and theyll be able to end the flam home, repatriate them back to Northern Ireland hospital where he will be looked after exceptionally well and rehabilitate it. But this has been a traumatic set of been a very traumatic set of events. Whenever the Insurance Company said that they couldnt perform, recce reached out to me, as did daniel, chriss partner, and i made contact with both the Insurance Company and with the fco. And can i just say this, that the foreign and Commonwealth Office have been exceptional. They immediately knew contact , how to get knew who to contact, how to get things moving. They were very concerned about the insurance debacle. And they they debacle. And they they encouraged us to make sure that the public knew what was going on because of the warnings that are there. I mean, you know what its like after you pay for your houday its like after you pay for your holiday insurance. You think everythings okay and then a crisis emerges and suddenly some small print indicates that theres a problem. So this is a really salient lesson to people to check with their Insurance Companies and to be very, very clear about it. And ill continue to fight this Insurance Company on behalf of the loons to sure that do to make sure that they do ultimately covered. But in ultimately get covered. But in the meantime, the generosity of the meantime, the generosity of the folk here in Northern Ireland has resulted in cressey having this operation. And we having this operation. And we thank god its gone very well last night, and we hope that it will stabilise soon fully. You very much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. And ricky , too, for joining us. And ricky, too, for joining us. We tell us about this story. We wish christie all the best. Ricky, send him best best. Ricky, send him our best wishes. Did. We did put wishes. And we did. We did put up gofundme up on the up the gofundme page up on the screen earlier. It screen there earlier. So it is a it is a salient lesson, as ian says, about holiday insurance. Says, about holiday insurance. Up next, tattoos, love them or hate them, turn on turn off, get in touch. But first, heres the news bulletins with. Tamsin the news bulletins with. Tamsin as a thank you. Here are the headlines at 1133. The families of babies murdered or harmed by lucy letby say the search for answers continues as investigators into her case widen. Police are looking into the care of 4000 babies who passed through the Neonatal Wards at the two hospitals where she worked. The hospitals where she worked. The countess of Chester Hospital is under scrutiny over whether more could have been done to stop letby sooner. Yesterday, she was convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. Shell be sentenced on monday. Age uk says sentenced on monday. Age uk says more than 700,000 households missed out on financial help for their energy bills. A support their energy bills. A support scheme was set up for people with non direct supply arrangements , such as those arrangements, such as those living in care homes , mobile living in care homes, mobile homes or on boats. The Charity Homes or on boats. The Charity Claims the fund completely flopped due to a complicated application process and a lack of publicity. A protest over the of publicity. A protest over the closure of Railway Ticket offices will be staged outside downing street later this month. The rmt union says it will stage a mass rally on the 31st of august, which is the last day of the consultation process. It warns the move to close up to 1000 offices will put more than 2000 jobs at risk. The planned 2000 jobs at risk. The planned action comes as Cross Country train workers staged the first of four strikes over working conditions. The manager of the conditions. The manager of the lionesses says her team is buoyed by the level of support ahead of tomorrows World Cup Final. England take on spain playing to win the trophy for the first time. Manager sarina freedman says the team has everything it needs to perform at the highest level. Lauren at the highest level. Lauren james, who served a two match suspension following her red card against nigeria, could start tomorrow. Well, you can start tomorrow. Well, you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news. Now, though, its back to esther and phil. Nine only on news britains news. Channel welcome back. Now tattoos, body art, ink , whatever you want body art, ink, whatever you want to call them. Countless people have them. Some people love them. Many people hate them. Humans have been getting themselves ink for thousands of years for all sorts of reasons, from allegiances to from tribal allegiances to identify location to pure aesthetic preference. Many professions dont even allow tattoos or at least visible ones. Despite tattooing becoming more and more acceptable in mainstream society, there is undoubtedly remaining stigma undoubtedly a remaining stigma around them, with some going as far as to say they are a sign of a declining society. A declining society. Are just an so are tattoos just an innocent of expression or innocent form of expression or do they represent something more sinister . You them . Do sinister . Do you love them . Do you do they turn you on . Do they do they turn you on . Do they turn you off . Lets talk to a man who knows all it the man who knows all about it the most man in britain, the most viewed man in britain, the king of ink land. So lovely to have you here. Now, look, its pretty startling. And when i first saw you, i did think, gosh, thats a lot of tattoos, whereas i might have liked a sort of a maybe a tiger coming over the shoulder, a single one, you are absolutely head to toe. Yeah, head to toe. And absolutely its on my face. Everybody face. So its in everybody elses so quite an impact elses. So its quite an impact like you just said. Like what you just said. So my reaction other peoples reaction. What is it when they see you for the first time, it vanes see you for the first time, it varies from small children that could be in a supermarket. When im doing my Grocery Shopping to scary man. But they havent run off. So obviously childrens are still childrens minds are still developing, come developing, so they might come out with scary man or you might have that will be have a teenager that will be like erm i like your tattoos and then various with old people. Then various with old people. People mock with your face fully tattooed. Have you got job. Ive got hands, arms. I could stack shelves in tesco if i wanted to. The bank managerjob might be out the window, but could an election . Could i run for an election . Why not knock doors . Why not knock on doors . Why not knock on doors . Know, actually you know, ive actually helped knock doors and helped some mps knock doors and campaigns do campaigns in the past and i do act modelling. My act in a modelling. My appearance okay. Appearance is actually okay. Trained it into an so youve trained it into an artwork and thats what you do. So thats what you do as a job modelling. Yeah, but i do have friends and in the yeah, but i do have friends and that in the yeah, but i do have friends and that have in the yeah, but i do have friends and that have been in the yeah, but i do have friends and that have been theres media that have been theres articles about a lot of people that have had discrimination against their parents. I know a pensioner, retired now. Pensioner, hes retired now. Hes man. Hes actually hes a family man. Hes actually got talk about the got ocd. So if we talk about the equality example, when got ocd. So if we talk about the equaljobs example, when got ocd. So if we talk about the equaljobs might example, when got ocd. So if we talk about the equaljobs might might. E, when got ocd. So if we talk about the equaljobs might might have|en got ocd. So if we talk about the equaljobs might might have a1 some jobs might might have a problem against it, mental health, ocd , body dysmorphia, health, ocd, body dysmorphia, some people , they actually say some people, they actually say might might be suffering from a form of Health Condition that would be a protected characteristic. Are you forming if you think youre suffering from a fault . No. So from a distance, ive had people ive had doctors and stuff say im might suffer from a rare form of body integrity disorder or a boy or a bdd, a body dysmorphia disorder. But im happy in myself. Im not going down a massive cosmetic surgery. Ive been, although i am excessive on the excessive end of tattooing. You say that looking now you say that im looking now on your hands. So you have done surgery. Youve got implants in surgery. Youve got implants in your hands and an implant in your hands and an implant in your chest. And your doctor was your chest. And your doctor was struck like tattoos have struck off like tattoos have things that mean to me. So ive got a crown in my hand, an implant, silicone implant, just women implant, just like women that might implants or might have breast implants or other might have cosmetic other people might have cosmetic surgery. Ive things that surgery. Ive got things that mean stuff to me. Again, mean stuff to me. And again, back in culture history, people were still putting things in their skin, under their bodies. Their skin, under their bodies. And ive travelled the world, ive got family in australia, ive got family in australia, ive seen maori again. Thats a lifestyle, a way , a culture. Im lifestyle, a way, a culture. Im not a maori, but its a way of life. Why . I guess this is my why . I guess this is my question. I mean, what transfix there that youre just looking at, why do you, why, why do you think so attractive think theyre so attractive tattoos and you know doesnt tattoos and you know i doesnt it doesnt anything for me it doesnt do anything for me why try find with the why i try to find line with the word because are why i try to find line with the wfew because are why i try to find line with the wfew people because are why i try to find line with the wfew people that ause are why i try to find line with the wfew people that saye are why i try to find line with the wfew people that say theyre are a few people that say theyre addictive to addicted to tattoos. Like, mean, David Beckhams like, i mean, David Beckhams got now. I got several celebrities now. I think David Camerons wife, samantha camerons got a dolphin i dolphin. Youre quite right on your ankle. But like whether you stop like that, whether you stop at one fact, most people get one or in fact, most people get the first one and its the one that they half the time. That they regret half the time. But then the addictive bug might get hold of people and theyre working on the second and third one. Was your one . One. What was your first one . I had bulldog on my left had a british bulldog on my left arm, so that i planned. Then arm, so not that i planned. Then journey to be completely covered. It just becomes something have got adhd. Something and i have got adhd. I put that out there. So my mum put that out there. So my mum always thought that my first one would probably be several because i always collected stuff i have know, i could never have to, you know, one of anything. Our fantastic producer, and our fantastic producer, maria, is shes obsessed with tattoos as well, isnt she . I tattoos as well, isnt she . I was obsessed. Addiction , a 2 to 2 very five. I think shes both, to be honest. But its a lifestyle. Its, you know, its a liberating. You you know, its a liberating. You have it because you want it. Youre not forced. Well, look, im from yorkshire, so this question. How much this is a key question. How much on earth has it all cost to get yourself fully covered in tattoos . Because that would put tattoos . Because that would put me off alone, think. I think me off alone, i think. I think you should sit down with my bank manager have a chat manager and have a chat about that yeah, obviously manager and have a chat about that and yeah, obviously manager and have a chat about that and interestobviously manager and have a chat about that and interestobviothave savings and Interest Rates have just but think i took just gone up, but i think i took a pounds out of my bank a few few pounds out of my bank over roughly. Much over the year roughly. How much was do you think . Was it, do you think . You know, ive read, ive read articles that say ive spent removal. Spent £6,000 on tattoo removal. You ive had laser you know, when ive had laser removals, removed . You know, when ive had laser rentoals, removed . You know, when ive had laser rento be removed . You know, when ive had laser rento be honest. Removed . To be honest. To be honest. Yeah. Now started, yeah. And now ive started, ive tattooing over ive started tattooing over tattoos its , ive read tattoos now. So its, ive read up things. Ive spent 20, £40,000. So youve done a poll as well havent you. Ive done a poll. Ive done a poll. But i want to look at i want to look at england eyes. Right. Because when i first saw you, i thought you had contact lenses in because your eyes are black. In because your eyes are black. And it looks a bit, if you dont mind me saying, is it meant to be . I dont know, a snake or a reptile . Im not sure what your eyes mentioned. Reptile . Im not sure what your eyesometioned. Reptile . Im not sure what your eyesome people gorilla, some people say a gorilla, but its called eyeball but its called an eyeball tattoo. Yeah, im tattoo. Yeah, and im uncomfortable it being uncomfortable with it being known that. Because you known as that. Because if you was to take the traditional tattoo method tattoo to tattoo method tattoo machine to the , you know, medically the eyeball, you know, medically , you could have all sorts of complications. It is a dangerous procedure, surgical. Procedure, but its surgical. So, ive ink in my so, yeah, ive got ink in my eyes and i researched it for a number years. You cant go to number of years. You cant go to an optician. You cant go to a tattoo artist to have it done enhen and how is it done . And how is it done . Its done with a syringe. So it surgical with it is a surgical procedure with ink the less ink and less is more. The less jabs that you have in the eye, the more to my eye, my the more i went to my eye, my optician had had my eyes tested a fact, ive got an a year. In fact, ive got an eye test coming the next test coming up in the next couple of weeks. A poll on this. Now, we did a poll on this. It you find tattoos it was do you find tattoos a turn on a turn off or dont care . Either way, i dont know if youre surprised by these results or not, but only 7 said they thought they turn they thought they were a turn on. 67 said a turn off and 26 said they didnt care. Either way. Does that surprise you if you just ask the questions at a tattoo convention, one of the biggest in the world, London Tattoo Convention in mexico, wherever , im sure youd get wherever, im sure youd get total different results, as you probably total different results, as you pro so ly total different results, as you pro so for you, it doesnt so for you, it doesnt matter. You dont you . I take it matter. You dont you . I take it its for you. Not anymore. Or is its for you. Not anymore. Or is it other why do you it for other people . Why do you do it has become lifestyle. Like said very well. Like i said very well. Diverse in education and flying around the world from young around the world from a young age. I dont think children have that now with the that luxury now with the educational but i did educational system, but i did get to see a lot of different cultures around the world. I loved art. Im just not very good at drawing. And yeah, fact that people put pictures on that people can put pictures on their something that their bodies or something that fascinates thank you king of england, thank you very for and very much indeed for coming and sharing wonderful sharing all your wonderful tattoos with us today. Thank you. Would to know what you. We would like to know what you think are you are you turned on by them . Do you think there are turn dont like turn off with me . I dont like them, esther does quite like them. Think. Them. Tell us what you think. I dont time now for them. Tell us what you think. I d National Insurance contributions well over the required amount and weve got a poll as well on the world cup whether Prince William , who is the president of william, who is the president of the fa , should have gone and the fa, should have gone and whether the Prime Minister should have gone and the results for that poll was 42 of you said yes, they should have gone. 21 of you said no. They shouldnt have gone. And a whopping, i thought 37 said no. They dont really care. I thought that was quite interesting. When were joined now by our favourite aidan magee, Hayley Palmer, whos going to bring us up to date on the latest sports and showbiz. But go into you there, aiden , but go into you there, aiden, 37 really go where the 37 didnt really go where the Prince William and the Prime Minister went to the world cup, which shocked by that. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. But then i think he didnt go. Nobody really went to the mens qatar. By mens games in qatar. Round by round. But i imagine. Well, in round. But i imagine. Well, in facti round. But i imagine. Well, in fact i can guarantee they would have there england have been there had england got to yeah, they to the final. And yeah, they blamed it all. Prince william to the final. And yeah, they blarblamed l. Prince william to the final. And yeah, they blarblamed it Prince William to the final. And yeah, they blarblamed it on 1ce william to the final. And yeah, they blarblamed it on climate am to the final. And yeah, they blarblamed it on Climate Change has blamed it on Climate Change as this as people often do in this generation. But ultimately he didnt think the game was that important. Thats what thats what comes down. What it comes down. Haley, you would you haley, would you have a straight have been on a flight straight out cheer on the girls . Out there to cheer on the girls . Yeah, 100 out there to cheer on the girls . Yeaidont out there to cheer on the girls . Yeaidont like football . You dont like football . Yeah, do now. But you see. But yeah, i do now. But you see. But i think thats an interesting question. You didnt have to, in this instance, be a big football fan. This is a big issue, i think. And its a big celebration. Im convinced theyre going to win for the country. So it was more than a game of football in a way i no doubt. No. I mean, look, thats what happens with the National Team. Thats why National Team. And thats why the in mens in the National Team in mens in the National Team in mens in the is much the mens game is so much bigger. Liverpool fans bigger. Nice liverpool fans dont but dont like you saying it, but International Football far International Football is far bigger football. Bigger than club football. When we to the big games, thats we get to the big games, thats what makes go out and to what makes you go out and to tescos yourself tescos and buy yourself a barbecue weekend. You barbecue for the weekend. You know something different, know you do something different, you buy you get people around, you buy doritos. Shouldnt all doritos. I shouldnt name all these brand names. Should i really . Ew really . Know what im saying. Really . What know what im saying. Really . What you. |ow what im saying. No, what you. Know what you get up to, i know what you get up to, dont you . Did you hear . Did you hear our interview harry hear our interview with Harry Redknapp . About redknapp . What he said about whether could make whether for the coach could make the mens coach. The england mens team coach. And like no way. And hes like no way. Was very dismissive of yes , was very dismissive of yes, sir. But then know what this it would interesting to would be an interesting thing to do shell shell but do i think shell shell but then shes only 400 grand a then if shes only 400 grand a year as the england england england coach she is now shes not gonna get that money in the lower leagues, harry. She needs to down the leagues and earn to go down the leagues and earn her theres no her stripes. Well, theres no way. Way the way. Theres no way in the bottom two divisions. Where are you your own 400 you going to end your own 400 grand. So she gets on about 5 million, isnt he . I think definitely needs i think he definitely needs some from him. Need i think he definitely needs sonmens from him. Need i think he definitely needs sonmens team m him. Need i think he definitely needs son mens team doingn. Need i think he definitely needs sonmens team doing any need i think he definitely needs sonmens team doing any therei the mens team doing any there will be no hiding place for anybody in football in terms of youve results. Anybody in football in terms of you no, results. Anybody in football in terms of you no, she results. Anybody in football in terms of you no, she wont results. Anybody in football in terms of you no, she wont res giving any no, she wont be giving any kind grace than anybody kind of more grace than anybody else she goes else will. And so if she goes into which goes into into a game which goes into a club and she doesnt get results, shell be out same as anybody she does well, anybody else, who she does well, shell stay, but somebody will try eventually. No try it eventually. Theres no question try it eventually. Theres no quewhats happening world whats happening in the world of showbiz, hayley . Well, i want to about celebs go dating. To talk about celebs go dating. Night oh, it starts tomorrow night for im living for this and i am im living for this and i am excited to see Vanessa Feltz on there think really there because i think she really deserves a hard time, deserves love, had a hard time, and she she done so. And she she has done so. Youll see her on show. Youll see her on the show. Apparently, she goes on 13 dates and happening on the and what is happening on the show is that the actual agent set you up on a date. So vanessa set you up on a date. So vanessa says shes never actually been on or anything. So this on tinder or anything. So this is a good thing. They should be able to matchmake you with your perfect , but know perfect man, but i dont know how goes , but i have got how it goes, but i have got inside scoop that tomorrow night youll go on a coffee youll see her go on a coffee date apparently very date and apparently is very polite, but theres just no chemistry. As you chemistry. But she says as you get older, people just think you want companionship. Actually want companionship. But actually shes no, i want more than shes like, no, i want more than you that. You you want more than that. You want for the fluxes. You want this for the fluxes. You want this for the fluxes. You want you want it. Want like you want it. You want what you want, what . Hayley, i didnt know where shes going or what. Vanessa, you said you were giving us the inside scoop, but she gets 13 dates. Yeah, i think thats. Yeah, i think thats. She doesnt want it on every day. Day. You mean that . But actually, sometimes you need. Its a numbers game, isnt it . Something . Well obviously , something . Well obviously, the more the merrier is what . Honestly i tell you, she said she was giving us an inside scoop today. Ill tell you what, even im getting tempted to watch be honest, my watch this, to be honest, my date was the same most of the time. It was a comedy camp. In fact, they get on and fact, they didnt get on and they each other. And they didnt like each other. And hes tv. Hes just like tv. Actually, people on but actually, people do go on the programme find love, so the programme to find love, so i got well is that got really well on that. Is that realistic . Well, not well dating, everyone allows. Yes. You know, i think we all are looking. I think we all are looking for love, arent you . And then some us have go on some of us might have to go on more. You still looking for love . I thought found. Thats i thought youd found. Thats a is it . Youre a revelation. Is it . Youre still looking love. Cant still looking for love. I cant believe. I am here. I am believe it. I am here. I am here. You know, i think i was. I wasnt talking about me. All of us are all in a general sense. Even if people clarify , sense. Even if people clarify, theyre still going out. So vanessas got 30. Move straight back to vanessa in a away on me. Shes got 31 date. She has. And now somebody whos been unlucky in love, Britney Spears just got married now getting separated for a month. Thats not long. For a month. Thats not long. Its not. Its not a double life. Yeah. Yeah that was going strong. Three months is quite a while, but while for aiden. Aiden, its not about you. Aiden, its not about you. Its about me. So its about me. So but the thing is, i actually feel so sorry for her because she has been through so much and actually breaks my heart to read about want to about brittany. I really want to give conservatorship, talk about what do love about her is what i do love about her is shes put on her instagram that shes put on her instagram that shes to horse. And shes going to get a horse. And i thats a good idea. But to cheer. Idea. Tot to cheer. Idea. To cheerleer. Idea. To cheer up. Yeah. How about the face anyway, britney . The long face anyway, britney . I do hope it works. Well, then i have noticed theyre not following each other. They are following each other. They are following other on social following each other on social media, theyre not wearing following each other on social mediweddingzyre not wearing following each other on social mediwedding rings. Ot wearing following each other on social mediwedding rings. But earing following each other on social mediwedding rings. But heing following each other on social mediwedding rings. But he has their wedding rings. But he has filed a divorce. Their wedding rings. But he has filei a divorce. Their wedding rings. But he has filei wasa divorce. Their wedding rings. But he has filei was told rce. Their wedding rings. But he has filei was told there was a prenup i was told there was a prenup agreement he doesnt get agreement where he doesnt get anythinghes trying to sell. And hes trying to sell. And hes trying to sell. The dad right. And hes trying to sell. The dad right. All so whilst the dad right. All that while ago to say, look, i need to be looking after my daughter, she does have some mental issues here and im looking after her best interest. It went on for a long time, didnt it . Proved right. It went on so long, though, didnt thats problem. Didnt it . Thats the problem. Needed some its probably needed some time comes britney. She has been vulnerable time. Vulnerable for a long time. It has her marriage for has been rocky, her marriage for a and i think it a long time. And i think when it comes to mental health, it a comes to mental health, it is a concern me britney concern for me with britney watching on instagram. Watching her on instagram. I think it is a bit of a cause for concern. So dad might need to come so the dad might need to come back to come back or somebody needs to come back. Think her family needs back. I think her family needs to around. Back. I think her family needs to well,und. Back. I think her family needs to well, you think shes well, you think shes deteriorated, professional well, you think shes deteriorhealth . Ofessional well, you think shes det yeah,ealth . Ofessional well, you think shes detyeah, definitely. ;ional yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. Thought they were well, i thought they were the i problem. I thought they were the problem. It thought dad was the it was thought his dad was the problem, the solution. Problem, not the solution. Im in hindsight, but im saying in hindsight, was problem . Was the dad the problem . He right to be i mean, was he right to be looking after. Always said looking after. We always said no. To control. So she no. He was to control. So she got of this. Got out of this. Went on for went on it went on for you went on for than ten years, didnt it . Yeah. Yeah. Needs support of people she needs support of people around anyway, look, thats well, anyway, look, thats it. Ended on britney. It. Were ended on britney. Were ending we going were ending on britney. Finally prediction for just finally prediction for the england after the next 2 1 to england after extra lost 3 1 to extra time ive lost 3 1 to england youre good with your predictions so 2 1, 2 1, 3 1, three. Im just saying theyre going to be winning. Yeah. I dont care how they win. I think theyre going to win. Footballs the winner. Well, look, thats all from us. Well be back next saturday at 10 am. Oh, no. Next. Its new saturday fantastic saturday with the fantastic emily after weather emily carver. After the weather i looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello there. Im greg hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest news weather forecast. Latest news weather forecast. Its a slow improving picture over the weekend. Yes, it will still be rather breezy across the northwest and some scattered showers. Storm betty, starting showers. Storm betty, starting to and move away now. So to ease and move away now. So the isobars starting to widen as High Pressure builds in from the south. So there will be showers, but plenty of warm, sunny spells, too, for our saturday afternoon. Weve got a scattering of showers across england and wales. Best of the sunshine south east sunshine towards the south east where winds will be lightest. Winds still gusty towards the northwest, easing as the day northwest, but easing as the day goes still showery outbreaks goes on. Still showery outbreaks of northwards of rain pushing northwards across scotland. Heavy showers for Northern Ireland. Temperatures generally reaching for Northern Ireland. Tenlowrtures generally reaching for Northern Ireland. Tenlow 20s,; generally reaching for Northern Ireland. Tenlow 20s, but1erally reaching for Northern Ireland. Tenlow 20s, but towardseaching for Northern Ireland. Tenlow 20s, but towards 25hing for Northern Ireland. Tenlow 20s, but towards 25 org the low 20s, but towards 25 or 26 across south east england. So in that sunshine it will be quite a warm afternoon into the evening time. Still a few evening time. Still a few showers around the low pressure system starting away system just starting edging away a little further. So there will be few showers and the winds be a few showers and the winds easing here. Clearer skies towards the east of the uk and temperatures still fairly warm night come , holding up in night to come, holding up in double figures, 14 to 16 celsius across many areas. So a brighter start on sunday. Less windy than it has been compared to this morning and during the day. It will be a fairly calm day across england and wales. Some scattered showers bubbling up through the afternoon. Through into the afternoon. Still breezy parts of still breezy across parts of northern north west Northern Ireland, north west scotland and here, temperatures overall reaching the low 20s , overall reaching the low 20s, highs celsius towards the highs of 25 celsius towards the southeast. Southeast. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news where hello and welcome to gb news saturday. Im emily carver. Im emily carver. For the next three hours ill be keeping you company on online and Digital Radio. So coming up this hour, the most prolific killer of babies in modern times. Why wasnt lucy letby stopped sooner . And did hospital bosses , as and did hospital bosses, as one whistleblower put it, potentially facilitate a mass murderer and Suella Braverman under pressure to to stand up france over its lack of action on channel crossings, so does the home secretary need to get tougher to stop the boats . Then donald trump cancels a press conference and skips the first Republican Debate of the primaries. Primaries. Will he remain the front runner . But first, lets get the News Headlines with tamzin. Emily thanks very much. Good afternoon from the newsroom. Its 12 00. The families of its12 00. The families of babies murdered or harmed by lucy letby say their search for answers continues as investigations into her case