Which left the coast of north africa earlier today, bound for the italian islands. And well the italian islands. And well have more on that as soon as we get it here at gb news. Now, a 14 Year Old Girl and a coach driver have died after a school bus overturned on the m 53 on the wirral pupils were on their way to coley grange and west kirby grammar schools. This morning. The bus was carrying 54 people. It collided with a car and struck a central reservation between huyton and bebington. Between huyton and bebington. Ten children were taken to hospital. Two of them have hospital. Two of them have serious injuries. Mark thomas, serious injuries. Mark thomas, area manager of merseyside fire and rescue service, told us that investigations remain under way. Firefighters worked with Emergency Services colleagues at scene to stabilise the vehicle. We ensured the student was safe and we assisted casualties exiting the bus, working jointly with our police and ambulance colleagues. Shortly after we were able to assist the casualties onto a second coach to receive care away from the scene. Our operations are scene. Our operations are currently scaling down and currently scaling down and currently we stay at the scene in attendance to preserve the scene with Merseyside Police , a scene with Merseyside Police, a 17 year old boy charged with the murder of a 15 Year Old Girl has been remanded in custody after appearing in court. Elianne andam was stabbed to death in croydon on wednesday while she was on her way to school. The teenager, who cannot be legal reasons, has be named for legal reasons, has also been charged with possessing. A man has possessing a knife. A man has reportedly been arrested in the United States over the murder of the rapper tupac shakur. It happened back in 1996. The 25 year old was killed in a drive by shooting in las vegas. Thats 27 years ago. Well, dwayne kofi dee davis was detained earlier today, an indictment with the exact charges is expected later. Davis has long been known to investigators , as he has investigators, as he has previously admitted in interviews , he was in the interviews, he was in the cadillac when the shots were fired. And rail passengers are fired. And rail passengers are facing facing a week of travel chaos because of strikes and other forms of industrial action. Aslef members began a ban on overtime today that will last for eight days until next friday, ahead of a strike at 16. Train companies tomorrow and on wednesday , bookending the tory wednesday, bookending the Tory Party Conference in manchester. The union says tomorrows walkout will force operators to cancel all services. Mick whelan, aslefs general secretary , says his members secretary, says his members havent had a pay rise for four years. The Rail Delivery Group and the government say there remains a fair and reasonable offer on the table. This is gb offer on the table. This is gb news. Well have more on all of our stories as we go through the evening. Ill be back in an hours evening. Ill be back in an hours time. And now its over to. Patrick well , this is all to. Patrick well, this is all rather unexpected, isnt it . But welcome back to the programme. Im Patrick Christys with you until 9 pm. Tonight andits with you until 9 pm. Tonight and its been a very heavy week for a variety of different reasons. But look, its friday night, so we are going to start with Old Fashioned row with a good Old Fashioned row and were going have and then were going to have some fun some shameless, some fun with some shameless, light segments. Okay light hearted segments. Okay lets get going. Home secretary Suella Braverman the Suella Braverman hit the headunes Suella Braverman hit the headlines week with her headlines this week with her speech on migration in washington. Home secretary washington. The home secretary thinks the International Asylum system a complete system needs a complete overhaul. Heres a little bit of it. Any attempt to reform the Refugee Convention will see you smeared as anti refugee. Similar epithets are hurled at anyone who suggests reform of the echr or its court in strasbourg. I or its court in strasbourg. I reject the notion that a country cannot be expected to respect human rights if it is not signed up to an International Human rights organisation. Okay well, i think that the home secretary may well have a point not just on that, but on a variety of different reasons, on a huge amount of what she said. But i know two people who feel completely differently. Weve got human lawyer shoaib got human rights lawyer shoaib khan and michael walker, contributing editor at novara media. Good evening , gentlemen. Media. Good evening, gentlemen. Thank very for thank you very, very much for joining me. Now, look, shoaib , joining me. Now, look, shoaib, has you got a point we need to change the definition of what a refugee so that lawyers like refugee is so that lawyers like you cant keep coining it in with spurious claims. You cant keep coining it in witiyou urious claims. You cant keep coining it in witiyou know claims. You cant keep coining it in witiyou know , laims. You cant keep coining it in witiyou know , iaims. You cant keep coining it in witiyou know , i mean i mean, you know, i mean i mean, i dont think we need to you know, its been decades, 70 years. Weve had it. Its working well. Where isnt working well is. Where it isnt working well is because governments dont know how work well. But how to make it work well. But even the home secretarys even from the home secretarys point not really point of view, im not really sure shes saying. Sure what shes saying. Initially, it all about initially, it was all about the definition wrong. To definition is wrong. We have to rip the Refugee Convention rip up the Refugee Convention and half of the you know, and then half of the you know, the half of speech is the second half of the speech is all lefty loony liberal all about lefty loony liberal judges who interpret too judges who interpret it too broadly. So what does she want . Broadly. So what does she want . Is she actually saying theres a problem the convention or problem with the convention or is it the judges . And then she yes, she literally saying yes, she literally is saying that exactly what shes that thats exactly what shes saying. That thats exactly what shes say show its good to see show him. Its good to see that youve been paying attention. Michael, ill throw it to now, look, one it over to you. Now, look, one of other bits that she said of the other bits that she said that caused amount that caused a huge amount of controversy was about members allegedly of the lgb plus community who may well end up being order to being making that up in order to get asylum. How on earth could get asylum. How on earth could we prove somebody was gay . We prove if somebody was gay . Ill get on to that in yeah, ill get on to that in one moment. First of all, i did just want to mention i know this is different for you being here on a friday night. Its also different for me because i always look up who im going to be normally some be on with. Its normally some right wing crackpot. I discovered i was be on discovered i was going to be on with a human rights lawyer. Im like, what the hell is going on . I think its more balanced than this, isnt it. Than newsnight. This, isnt it. Youve Heebie Jeebies than newsnight. This, isnt it. Youvofcom heebiejeebies than newsnight. This, isnt it. Youvofcom today. Bie jeebies from ofcom today. Talk about that claim. Lets talk about that claim. So migrants, mean, we so lgbt migrants, i mean, we talked about this earlier in the week. In fact, i think this whole a distraction. Whole thing is a distraction. And that is and the reason i say that is because the number of people who mentioned were lgbt when it mentioned they were lgbt when it came asylum claims last year came to asylum claims last year was so if what was 1. 5 of them. So if what Suella Braverman cares about is reducing the number asylum reducing the number of Asylum Seekers coming to the uk now, i dont want to that, but if dont want to do that, but if thats what she wants to do, then this has nothing to do with that. What this seems that. Soto me, what this seems like an attention grabbing like is an attention grabbing stunt try raise fears. Stunt to try and raise fears. One about lgbt people lying about their sexuality, and two, about their sexuality, and two, about idea. About their sexuality, and two, abo but idea. About their sexuality, and two, abo but the dea. About their sexuality, and two, abo but the point the point is, but the point the point is, michael, is whilst michael, is yeah, whilst it might be a small number, michael, we cant actually prove it can as gary lineker it can we as gary lineker evidence with a rather bizarre tweet earth would tweet saying how on earth would you somebodys gay . And you prove if somebodys gay . And that fair, the point that is to be fair, the point that is to be fair, the point that making, isnt it . That shes making, isnt it . Well, i think the problem there so when people apply there is so when people apply for this for Refugee Status in this country issues, you country for lgbt issues, you dont come say, dont just come and say, im 937 dont just come and say, im gay. Often has happened is gay. Often what has happened is that has suffered that person has suffered persecution that country. So that person has suffered persoftenwn that country. So that person has suffered persoften be that country. So that person has suffered persoften be thatt country. So that person has suffered pers often be that the untry. So that person has suffered pers often be that the person 0 itll often be that the person has been as lgbt and there has been outed as lgbt and there has been outed as lgbt and there has been outed as lgbt and there has been some sort of campaign against them. So there often will be evidence. And will be lots of evidence. And i think know, we normally think we you know, we normally accept can accept that its you can evidence having a long term relationship. Know, you relationship. You know, you dont putting cameras dont want to be putting cameras in but i in peoples bedrooms. But i think that we have think the idea that we have to remove lgbt issues from from asylum is just having everything back to front. Okay. Shoaib, multiculturalism has failed. Discuss dont i mean, again, discuss mean, dont i mean, again, discuss mean, likeont i mean, again, discuss mean, like lotsi mean, again, discuss mean, like lots oflean, again, discuss mean, like lots of peoplejain, discuss mean, like lots of people have i mean, like lots of people have discussed. Is discussed. I mean, in a way, is it the success of multicultural ism . Have people like her ism . We have people like her leading in fact, you leading or is it, in fact, you know, do we have. Thats a good point. Thats a good point. Thats a good point. Failure. Failure. Let me let me ask this show. Show to interrupt you show sorry to interrupt you immediately, if you raise a immediately, but if you raise a really good point, which is why im right, got huge im doing it right, she got huge amount pushback on this amount of pushback on this and a lot of that actually was from people who also ethnic people who are also ethnic minorities kind of minorities for saying kind of really that they think that she should a certain way should think a certain way really. And i wondered, really. And i just wondered, i wonder thought about wonder what you thought about that. Do you think thats fair . Is she the definition of a successful multicultural individual to, individual who has managed to, you family has come to you know, her family has come to britain done rather or britain and done rather well or or not. Thats the point. I mean, so thats the point. I mean, you problem taking you know, if her problem taking her premise, her on her premise, multiculturalism has failed, her on her premise, multiwyoulralism has failed, her on her premise, multiwyoulralismjust failed, her on her premise, multiwyoulralismjust look d, her on her premise, multiwyoulralismjust look around then, you know, just look around then, you know, just look around the cabinet. Is she saying thats a failure . Is she saying thats a failure . Is she saying thats failure system, thats a failure of our system, thats a failure of our system, that have risen that people like her have risen to so thats just a to the top . So thats just a question i she needs to question i think she needs to answer. But because i dont believe i think, know, believe i think, you know, diversity needs to be valued. Immigrants huge immigrants make a huge contribution uk that contribution to the uk that needs be valued. So no, needs to be valued. And so no, of course, multiculturalism hasnt secondly, of course, multiculturalism hasn if secondly, of course, multiculturalism hasn if there secondly, of course, multiculturalism hasnif there are secondly, of course, multiculturalism hasnif there are problems, even if there are problems, thats we dont allow thats because we dont allow them integrate, know , them to integrate, you know, also speech, she said, you also in a speech, she said, you know, people coming know, all these people coming here, then they benefits. Here, then they claim benefits. Well, claim well, of course they do claim benefits. Theyre not allowed to work. Why Asylum Seekers work. Why are Asylum Seekers not allowed know allowed to work . Well, you know , in detention centres, you put them just we have them in hotels just we have spoken before show. Have we spoken before we have we have spoken before show. You know, you didnt show. And, you know, you didnt even me, to be even make the point to me, to be fair, that even if somebody broke into your house and you found there found them sitting there at about 4 00 in the morning, you might police, but you might call the police, but you wouldnt necessarily even want that you are that person detained. So you are possibly most liberal person possibly the most liberal person that i have ever come across. I think i think thats think because i think thats quite thats quite rare quite a thats quite a rare thing. Michael. Im going ask thing. Michael. Im going to ask you, that multicultural you, is it that multicultural ism allowed to work . Ism hasnt been allowed to work . We allowed to we havent allowed people to integrate reality that integrate or is the reality that integrate or is the reality that in certain communities they just wont integrate now . Wont integrate now . I mean, i think this discussion has sort of come out of nowhere now. I i came of nowhere now. I mean, i came from very multicultural part from a very multicultural part of north east and my of north east london, and my school diverse, school was incredibly diverse, sort black people, third sort of black people, third south asian, then a third white people didnt really realise racism until i was about racism existed until i was about 18 everyone got along so 18 because everyone got along so well. It seems to me that well. And it seems to me that this is really people trying to make where there make problems where there arent. Now maybe some arent. Now maybe there are some problems integration in problems with integration in parts country, parts of the country, but the reason i think ethnicity of reason i think the ethnicity of suella sometimes Suella Braverman is sometimes brought is not to say that if brought up is not to say that if you of a certain ethnic you are of a certain ethnic minority background, have to minority background, you have to have i think have certain opinions. I think what are saying is its what people are saying is its Suella Braverman has just as many be against many rights to be against multicultural ism as anyone else in country. But the in the country. But the fact that so many people that we do have so many people from in the from ethnic minorities in the cabinet does suggest that integration going integration is actually going quite often quite well. And what you often get response people get in response is people saying, oh, yes, but this is this is because Suella Braverman saying, oh, yes, but this is th integrateuse Suella Braverman saying, oh, yes, but this is th integrate into Suella Braverman saying, oh, yes, but this is th integrate into british iraverman is integrate into british society. I saw a really society. Now, i saw a really good response from a journalist sort saying, yes, thats good response from a journalist sort but|ying, yes, thats good response from a journalist sort but my], yes, thats good response from a journalist sort but my granddadts good response from a journalist sort but my granddad wasnt true. But my granddad wasnt when over, he when my granddad came over, he spoke he didnt speak spoke yiddish. He didnt speak any not any english. He was not integrated at all but me. Now im a times columnist, right . So the idea that there are some new immigrant community where someone doesnt english, someone doesnt speak english, fine. And fine. Theyre kids. Will and their kids integrated their kids will be integrated and be a similar and it will be a similar multicultural environment from where was brilliant. Show what Suella Braverman said was that the ovennhelming majority of who come to majority of people who come to britain illegally never end up paying britain illegally never end up paying back in tax. What theyve taken from the state under the illegal migration bill. Pretty much anybody who comes across the channel will be classed as an illegal migrant. Therefore, none of them will actually end up being a net benefit very few of them will end up being a net benefit to britain. Is that not true . Of course thats not true. And thats, you know, literally every piece of Research Carried out proved opposite. So, every piece of Research Carried omean proved opposite. So, every piece o