Middlehurst. Jacob thank you and good evening to you. Well, in an exclusive interview tonight on gb news, the former us President Donald Trump has been speaking to gb news presenter nigel farage and he had a warning for nato. He said nato member countries needed stop countries needed to stop taking the United States protection for granted and that speaking plainly gets him results. If we dont pay our bills, are you going to protect us from russia . I said, you mean youre delinquent . Youre not paying delinquent . Youre not paying the bills . Yes. Nope. Im not going you. Were not going to pay you. Were not going to pay you. Were not going to pay you. Were not going to do it. Were going going to do it. Were not going to you if youre not to defend you if youre not paying to defend you if youre not paying were not paying your bills, were not going its very going to defend you. Its very simple and hundreds of billions of dollars flowing in. Of dollars came flowing in. Donald trump speaking earlier on today. Well the shadow chancellor tonight has been setting out labours plans for the economy, saying itll be a new chapter in britains economic history at a meeting of finance ministers this evening, Rachel Reeves said the next government will face a challenge similar to that faced by Margaret Thatcher in 1979. She said labour would build an economy on resilient foundations rooted in the global reality. We can no longer indulge complacency, a growth model reliant on geopolitical stability is a growth model resting on increasingly shallow foundations. Resting on increasingly shallow foundations. The task, then, is foundations. The task, then, is to build for growth on strong foundations, broad based , foundations, broad based, inclusive, resilient and anchored in the realities of a fast changing world. Let me be unambiguous there is no viable Growth Strategy today. Growth strategy today. Now, the first minister of wales delivered an emotional resignation speech today after facing questions in the senate for the final time for him. He says hes now looking forward to life on the backbenches. Mark life on the backbenches. Mark drakeford, stepping down drakeford, who is stepping down after five years in the job, spoke with feeling as he talked about how difficult the last year him after the year had been for him after the sudden of his wife personally. The last 12 months has been the hardest and the saddest of my life and people will not see beyond the chamber. Those small acts of kindness that happen every day from people in every part of this chamber that help someone to get through those very, very difficult times. Drakeford bowing out from the senate today for the latest stories. Do sign up for gb news alerts. Scan that qr code on your screen right now or go to gbnews. Com. Slash alerts back now to. Jacob. Now to. Jacob. Good evening. If you were paying good evening. If you were paying attention to our previous program, and i expect you were on the very edge of your seat, it was extremely interesting. You would heard in our you would have heard in our World Exclusive interview, donald discussing donald trump discussing the misreporting of a speech he gave at a rally in ohio a few days ago. According to the headlines ago. According to the headlines in joe bidens re Election Campaign , mr trump had ominously campaign, mr trump had ominously warned that there be warned that there would be a bloodbath if he were not re elected, suggesting some kind of armed insurrection in. This wasnt true. It was fake news. He had, in fact, been referring to the prospects of american Car Manufacturers when faced with chinese competition. Big monster car manufacturing plants that youre building in mexico right now, and you think youre going to get that, youre going to not hire americans and youre going to sell the cars to us . No were going to put a 100 tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and youre not going to be able to sell those guys if i get elected. Now, if i dont get elected, its going to be a bloodbath for the whole. Thats bloodbath for the whole. Thats going to be the least of it. Its going to a bloodbath for its going to be a bloodbath for the country. Thatll be the the country. Thatll be the least theyre not least of it. But theyre not going sell cars. Going to sell those cars. And you see, as the man and so, you see, as the man himself might say, fake so himself might say, fake news. So lets mr had to lets hear what mr trump had to say the reporting of the say about the reporting of the incident in his conversation with farage. Here with nigel farage. Here commonly used phrase when youre slaughtered youre getting slaughtered economically, when youre getting slaughtered socially, when youre getting slaughtered, and they use it all the time. And we have many examples and we put out all those examples. But that doesnt stop him. And the trump case here is not an isolated one. Left wing media is too often extremely careless with the truth and with impartiality. Despite grandiose claims to the contrary, the eu loving bbc has its own fact check department. Bbc verify verification is all well and good. You might think they have a friendly and professional looking logo. The little green circle green, of course for party and they throw around terms like forensic but Fact Checking needs to be completely accurate and that the eu loving bbc its not mistakes are sometimes made, especially with the fast paced nature of media, but this is why a good outlet will issue corrections promptly. But lets have a look at a few bbc verify and bbc errors. Earlier this month, it fact checked a report of israeli troops allegedly opening fire on an aid convoy in gaza to verify its report. It used the account its report. It used the account of an eyewitness. This eyewitness turned out to be a figure bankrolled by iran, with links to the Islamic Revolutionary guard corps staying on gaza. In october, the bbc prematurely reported an explosion at the Al Ahli Hospital was the result of an israeli strike. While we still cannot say with absolute certainty what happened, the most probable cause of that explosion is now widely accepted to have been an errant missile fired from inside gaza and therefore by hamas. And this was before israeli troops invaded the enclave. So what is the point of a verification unit that employs 60 people, no less, at your expense . If the eu loving bbc is still prepared to spout mistruths like this to you, the license payer, without bothering to check its sources, like any jobbing scribbler on a local daily courier, would be expected to do. But lets expected to do. But lets continue. In february, bbc one ran a lunchtime report on the sentencing of a murderer in oxford. Several experienced oxford. Several experienced journalists faced the camera and detailed an horrific incident that involved both the killing of an innocent man and the torture and death of an animal. Had, you know, nothing else of this would have this case, the bbc would have had believe that adult had you believe that an Adult Human Female had committed this wicked and referred to the wicked crime and referred to the killer solely as a woman, despite the fact that he was born biologically male . This cavalier attitude to truth is not just limited to the bbc, of course. Indeed, it gets worse because theyve tacked justin webb for calling somebody who was biologically a man a man. This approach to matters this approach to truth matters because it becomes the self confirmation of virtue confirmation of the virtue signaller. If im a good, worthy leftie and i believe it, so it must be true. This then becomes my truth and in turn devalues real facts and encourages wild conspiracy theories. The pieties of the left then create the monster it purports to despise. Monster it purports to despise. For when people are deprived of truth, they will believe anything as ever. Let me know your thoughts. Mail margaret gb news. Com im joined now by my very distinguished cerebral panel author and journalist Michael Crick, a new Culture Forum broadcaster , forum fellow and broadcaster, emma webb, michael, you are a very experienced journalist and actually a very meticulous one. Very interestingly, in your career, youve defended right wing and left wing figures when youve thought truth was on their side, joe bidens Office Putting out fake news when hes president on a president ial candidate . Its pretty bad, isnt it . Actually, i think you can interpret the trump, words there as theres going to be a bloodbath, literally, in terms of there being blood. If he didnt mean that, he should make it very clear that he should have made that clear, that he should have been somebody as experienced donald trump experienced as donald trump should not be using that kind of language when it can be interpreted in the way he does. In the speech, he also in the same speech, he also lauded the january 6th protesters as hostages , so there protesters as hostages, so there is there is the psychological link there between the protesters on january the 6th who stormed the capitol. And then this talk of a bloodbath, it was irresponsible language. You wouldnt use it, but because you would know it was irresponsible. By using irresponsible. And by him using it, i think there is the implied threat. There is the ambiguity. About what the us car talking about what the us car industry and 100 tariff and what was happening to it because of probably. Of china, probably. But i think there was a hint in his of something in his language of something worse dont people . Worse than that, dont people . I mean, is a man who has mean, this is a man who has condoned really happened on condoned really what happened on january the 6th, which was a violent it was an violent occasion. It was an insurrection, we and he , an insurrection, and we and he, an experienced politician, shouldnt use language like that i im surprised you take this line, because it seems to me that trumps enemies actually make him able to get away with all sorts of things, things that may be true because they overstate, because theres a sort of theres a madness about trump that makes people always believe the worst. Those who believe the worst. Those who oppose him, they cant understand that anybody would support him. And theres also an element about trump. If him teasing his enemies, you know, he will he will he will deliberately go further, i think, than he believes sometimes just to fire them up and get them, get them, get them in a in a frenzy. So there are elements there. But i there are elements there. But i do think that that was irresponsible language. And its andifs irresponsible language. And its and its ambiguous. And ill come on to other things later. Anna. I mean, it seems to me that actually the left wing media believes what it believes and when it doesnt fit its narrative, its pretty cavalier about the truth. About the truth. Its a sort of cognitive distortion. Its disingenuous to read into those words some kind of implication that ignores the context of what he was saying was clearly talking about a bloodbath in the car manufacturing industry. Manufacturing industry. When you look, you say that. Then he did say that, yes, he did. He could have said therell be an industrial bloodbath or a financial or an economic bloodbath. Thats what jacob would have because hes would have done, because hes a responsible politician. Donald trump. Didnt because hes trump didnt because hes donald trump. Weve just seen him doing an interview with nigel farage. Donald is known for the donald trump is known for the way uses language. Way that he uses language. He has very way of has a very particular way of speaking, interrupt fit that speaking, to interrupt fit that into what he said is just i think its justice ingenuous. Im not accusing you of it. You seem like you are very committed and very passionate about your interpretation of what he said , interpretation of what he said, but i just think its a sort of intentionally sophistic way of, way of trying to twist his words out of context. And if anything , out of context. And if anything, actually, i think its a miscalculation on the part of anyone whos being consciously disingenuous, because all it does to the narrative of does is add to the narrative of those people who do support him, who think that hes being unfairly maligned. I think thats absolutely right. And that in right. And that in inadvertently, the left build up donald trump by attacking him for things that he hasnt said , for things that he hasnt said, rather than concentrating on what he has said. And its exactly the same with their attempts to the with their attempts to use the law to prevent him from running, which was then, as everybody knew it would be inevitably overturned by a higher court , overturned by a higher court, and all that does is add credence to those who believe that donald trump is being persecuted , and if anything, persecuted, and if anything, that just inflames the situation because people feel that that firstly that the that there is there is a system out to get them that is trying to prevent them that is trying to prevent them from being able to democratically express themselves in wanting donald trump to be president again. And then when donald trump talks about things like the, the, the mail in ballots , it it just adds mail in ballots, it it just adds further credence to, to those arguments and makes it look even more like hes being very convincing. And to come on to the bit about the bbc, if you set up a fact verification unit, youve got to be very, very accurate. You shouldnt put anything out until you are certain, ive had a thing from, their Statistics Program where id used facts from the eu and they said that that wasnt the right fact. Well, thats a useful, not mine. And it seems to have a political angle to it. And the point i made about about the israel palestine issue, again , israel palestine issue, again, they went to a source that was fundamentally unreliable because cause thats what the bbc wants to believe. Thats the bbc culture. Yeah. I mean, the verification unit or thats what its called, Something Like that. It does have an orwellian air about it. But i mean, Fact Checking is vital. And in a world where so much of our information comes from social media, we need to be able to verify whether the video is genuine, whether its from where it says its from , whether where it says its from, whether its whether its fake, concocted. Whatever i get the phrase now, and the same with news, but youve got to make this happen. I dont mean that phrase, know, videos phrase, you know, the videos that but the it is that are. But but the it is unfortunate if you make mistakes, but we all make mistakes. One of the ones thats always haunted me. I have to confess is years ago, confess to you is 40 years ago, i that your father had gone i said that your father had gone to. When, course he to eton. When, of course he didnt. To charterhouse. Didnt. He went to charterhouse. And me ever since and its worried me ever since he have forgiven you. He would have forgiven you. Im sure of mistruth. Most of the rest of the family went to eton, but not him. Now the. Actually, we went to charterhouse for the best part of 200 years. Right, right. Well, right, right, right. Well, anyway, another mistake. Anyway, theres another mistake. No obviously anyway, theres another mistake. No got obviously anyway, theres another mistake. No got be. Obviously anyway, theres another mistake. No got be. And usly anyway, theres another mistake. No got be. And i,sly anyway, theres another mistake. No got be. And i, you youve got to be. And i, you know, have been concerned know, i have been concerned about bias on the left, know, i have been concerned about bias on the left , both know, i have been concerned about bias on the left, both in channel 4 and in the bbc. For quite a while. I dont think its anything like as bad as it was there is occasionally bias there. Partly its the background of the people , you background of the people, you know, educated, know, university educated, london class. They london based middle class. They dont come from places like barrow and hartlepool, but but i think that the bias on in this station far , far worse. But station is far, far worse. But thats why. What other what other Television Channel do you see a political leader interviewing his predecessor and then in reverse . Thats because thats why weve got you on for balance. Well, a lot of lifting you a lot more. And im only a centrist. Im not that left wing. Michael. You are the little leaven that leavens all the bread , but that leavens all the bread, but on bbc issue, it does seem on the bbc issue, it does seem to me that there is just a bbc view of the world and whether its wing or right wing, its left wing or right wing, they think right. They just think thats right. Well, one the journalists well, one of the journalists who was face of bbc verified who was the face of bbc verified doing an introduction to what bbc verify used, the bbc verify is used, the orwellian terms miss truths. And i actually off back of this i actually off the back of this story went to have a listen to her podcast. She has a podcast about conspiracy theories, and its so very, very clear that the bbc has a particular way of seeing the world. And whats so worrying about the bias is that it completely lacks any self conscious looseness. Its not its not aware of its bias. And i was looking back at an old, civitas report, the think tank where i used to work, and they looked at bbc bias from 2005 to 2015. On the eu, just on the issue of the eu, and found that just under 3 of guests discussing the eu were on the side of leave. Well, there we go. Well, there we go. Well, there we go. Not many people believed in leave because weve got some responses in response to claims about bbc verify, the bbc said in a statement. We stand by our in a statement. We stand by our journalism and reject the allegations piece. The allegations in this piece. The bbc not allowed access into bbc is not allowed access into gaza, we a range of gaza, but we use a range of accounts from eyewitnesses and cross reference these against official and footage, official statements and footage, including the idf. Fact including from the idf. The fact that someone expressed an that someone has expressed an opinion social media doesnt opinion on social media doesnt automatically them automatically disqualify them from giving eyewitness testimony. Simply to testimony. It is simply wrong to claim agenda on our part, and claim an agenda on our part, and ignores much of the journalism we done, including bbc we have done, including bbc verify accounts of the sup