Got all of that to come and more. But before we get stuck in, lets cross live for tonights latest news headlines. Michelle, thank you very much. And good evening to you. Its just coming up to 6 02. The top story from the newsroom tonight. The defence secretary has told mps that the government cannot rule out state involvement in a hack at the ministry of defence, but he refused to confirm reports that china was behind it. Beijing strongly denied it was behind the cyber attack, calling the accusations completely fabricated. Grant shapps has fabricated. Grant shapps has apologised to arms. Armed forces personnel confirming up to 270,000 have a potentially been affected. Speaking in the house of commons earlier, he said it shows that the world is becoming more dangerous for reasons of national security. National security. We cant release further details of the suspected cyber activity behind this incident. However i can confirm to the house that we do have indications that this was the suspected work of a malign actor and we cannot rule out state involvement. This incident is further proof that the uk is facing rising and evolving threats. Grant shapps now speaking earlier this afternoon in scotland, john swinney says hes over the moon to be voted in as the scottish parliaments choice to be the next first minister. He was backed by 64 of his colleagues and his name will now be submitted to the king. He replaces humza yousaf, who sent his own official letter to king charles earlier confirming he was stepping down. Speaking from the front bench for the final time in the role, mr yousaf said his heart would forever belong to scotland. Labours newest mp has taken his seat in the house of commons after labour won the by election in blackpool south. Chris webb took his seat, beating conservative david jones in the Third Largest swing to labour from the conservatives in a by election since the second world war. Sir keir starmer suggests its a sign of things to come in the general election. To come in the general election. The message is clear that the voters are looking again at a changed labour party and putting their trust and confidence back in us, and i say thank you to every single voter who did that. But there is a wider message here because the nation wants change. The nation wants to turn a page on 14 years of chaos , of a page on 14 years of chaos, of division and of failure, and usherin division and of failure, and usher in a decade of national renewal. Renewal. Meanwhile, the shadow chancellor claims the governments optimism about the uk economy is, she says, deluded and out of touch. Speaking in london earlier, Rachel Reeves said the conservatives arent being honest with voters. Being honest with voters. The conservatives are gaslighting the british public. They say weve turned a corner and they ask people to stick with the conservative party, but it is those very conservatives who are set to leave the average household. £870 worse off through stealth taxes and increases in council tax. The increases in council tax. The Prime Minister claims that he is delivering for the country , but delivering for the country, but the british people did not order what this Prime Minister is delivering. Delivering. In other news tonight, weve heard that a five month old boy who suffered a cardiac arrest at Legoland Windsor in an alleged incident of child neglect, has died in hospital. The 27 year died in hospital. The 27 year old woman, from essex, was arrested at the resort and has since been released on bail. Police say theyre not seeking any other suspects, though detectives from the child abuse unit are now asking anyone with information, particularly those at legolands coastguard hq boat ride on thursday afternoon to come forward. And finally in the us, Stormy Daniels has told a court there that donald trump told her that having sex was the only way she was going to get out of a trailer park. The former adult film star has been revealing intimate details of her encounter with the former president , as she testifies at his hush money trial. She his hush money trial. She claimed that he wore satin pyjamas when he greeted her at his hotel suite, before she was asked to spank him. The former president denies having sex with miss daniels and 34 counts of falsifying business documents. Falsifying business documents. Those are the headlines. More at 7 00. Until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews. Com slash alerts. Go to gbnews. Com slash alerts. Thanks for that, sam. What a great image there to leave us all with donald trump in satin pyjamas, spanking. That is an pyjamas, spanking. That is an image you dont really want to have in your mind as you enter your tee time, im absolutely sure, but thanks for those headunes sure, but thanks for those headlines nonetheless. Yes, i am headlines nonetheless. Yes, i am Michelle Dewberry. Im with you till 7 00 tonight. I hope you all had a Wonderful Bank holiday weekend. Theres lots i want to get stuck into on my show tonight. I want to talk policing. I want to talk the latest in israel and gaza and lots, lots more. But before i do, i just want to take a second just to raise awareness of something thats very close to my heart. Actually, this week is actually the cleft lip and palate awareness week. Did you know that 1 in 700 babies is born with a cleft . And theres a fantastic charity . If anyone is fantastic charity . If anyone is affected by this issue, they are called clapa and they do an absolutely fantastic for job anyone that is affected by that issue. So, anyway, i shall issue. So, anyway, i shall introduce, without further ado, the panel thats keeping me company until 7 00 tonight. Ive got the former brexit party mep anunciata rees mogg and the author and political organiser James Schneider. Good evening to both of you. And you know the drill. Its not just about us. It is about you guys at home as well. Whats on your mind tonight . Get in touch. All the usual ways gbnews, gbnews. Gb views actually gbnews. Com is the email address. Or you can go on to the website gbnews. Com yoursay of course you can talk to me on twitter or x however you fancy it. Were open to all routes here on dewbs co, but of course cast your mind backif but of course cast your mind back if you will, to those local elections. Yes, of course, the elections. Yes, of course, the issues have been collections and council tax was of course on the minds of many, but you will be familiar with the fact that also on the minds of many was a situation in evolving in gaza. It really was a key issue to many, many people. And we saw, of course, didnt we . People get elected on the back of that ticket. One of those people, the Green Party Councillor , youll Green Party Councillor, youll be familiar with his celebration. Hes had to issue an apology today. Lets remind ourselves, though, of what he said. Said. The voice of palestine. Hello. Hello. Hes said today that hello. Hes said today that hes sorry for any upset that was caused by what he had to say. It wasnt his intention. He goes on to say he doesnt support violence on either side, he also went on to say that any misrepresentation of him shouting allah akbar suggests islamophobia to me was what he said. Now ive got to say, the situation in gaza has very unfortunately escalated , over unfortunately escalated, over the last kind of few hours and days , weve also seen a days, weve also seen a situation where there has been a ceasefire deal thats been agreed to by hamas, but rejected by by israel. And im pondering tonight, annunciator what do you think is going to happen in response to this kind of escalating situation in gaza, here on the streets in britain . Here on the streets in britain . What happens here, i think is very hard to know. But on the ground in israel and palestine, i think these talks are going to continue. It does seem like they are getting closer to finding some kind of common ground. And israel rejecting the ceasefire proposal, they hamas, were not going to release all of the hostages they took in october. They wanted in return the release of their own prisoners who are serving life sentences. Who are serving life sentences. And israel has been burnt by doing that before they in fact, some of them were found to be the organisers of the atrocities this october that were released in 2011. These things can have very long term effects on the country. I dont think hamas are being reasonable , but i think it being reasonable, but i think it is great that there are talks ongoing , and it does seem as ongoing, and it does seem as though theres a narrowing of the differences , james, your the differences, james, your thoughts, i think that the unanimous decision by israels war cabinet to reject the deal, which in effect, turns their back on the hostages, especially when there are protests in israel every day for accepting the deal, including family members of the hostages , and to members of the hostages, and to instead begin the assault on rafah, which weve been told by every single humanitarian agency possible that it will intensify what is already a catastrophe. 1. 4 Million People are 1. 4 Million People are already seeking shelter. They just let hamas smuggle weapons across the border. Please allow me to finish. It please allow me to finish. It shows contempt for life. Of course. Contempt for palestinian life, but also contempt for life of the hostages. And it shows that the real war aims are not the return of the hostages, but are the continuation of israeli state policy, which is to annexe as much of the holy land as possible, using ethnic cleansing as the method under the excuse of self defence. That is what we have seen. Have seen. The israeli people have the ability to vote for who leads them and therefore what direction they go in, which cant be said to be true of those who are forced to live under hamas, who may have elected them once and have been ruled by them ever since, without any say in it whatsoever. They are being used as human shields. This is completely one sided that the israelis did not ask to be attacked. In october, however, 1200 gazans did not. 200 were taken and we dont even know how many of those hostages are still alive. It two wrongs never make alive. It two wrongs never make a right , but alive. It two wrongs never make a right, but the idea that they should just lie down and hand back over the prisoners that have actually committed serious crimes is absolutely ridiculous. There are thousands of palestinians in pre trial detention who have not been found to have committed any crimes. There are thousands of palestinians who work in israel and come and go that this is its not as black and white as you would like to paint it. No, im responding specifically to your point about hamas asking for the return of palestinian political prisoners. These are thousands of people, many most of whom have had no charges brought against them. The lifers most certainly have. Thats why theyve got life sentences. Let me ask you this. Let me bnng let me ask you this. Let me bring it back to this local election issue here. Ive just been playing the clip there of the candidate, one of the councillors, sorry, that got elected in the leeds area and that kind of celebration there. And the green party is saying now that theyre going to, you know, conduct an investigation. Hes kind. I mean , i would say hes kind. I mean, i would say hes kind of said sorry. He would say that hes fully said sorry, but hes also chucked a line in there about, islamophobia. Yeah. Do you think it was right that gaza played such a key role in a local election, which to me, a local election, which to me, a local election, its about how many bins do i have outside, you know, things like council tax, i dont know, potholes. Those kind of things. Its not necessarily about international affairs. I completely agree with that. But i think its actually much worse than that. And its very much bringing religion into local politics and british politics, where we have had many a problem over the last few centuries with religion playing a very large part in our society, that we have got rid of as a dangerous threat and bring sectarianism back to mainland uk is a great worry. Do you agree with that . Germs . We have very few real, meaningful Democratic Institutions in our country and most people, when they get to vote, it would be wonderful if when you voted, it felt like it was really making a difference on potholes and on council tax, but that is not how most people feel, which is why the overwhelming majority of people dont vote in local council elections. People will use elections. People will use elections to express whatever, whatever it is that is meaningful to them in those elections. The elections that annunziata was elected in for, for example , were quite for example, were quite meaningless elections in that they were to a body that we were going to leave, that isnt wont guarantee to leave. Actually, at that point, theresa may was doing her damnedest to keep us in. That wasnt the labour party, that wasnt the labour party, that wasnt a democratic body itself. Wasnt a democratic body itself. I would agree it completely. That has very little, very little ability for local councils. Its very identifiable. So the reason why people use their vote to elect you was because they wanted to. They wanted very different. They wanted very different. They wanted very different. Its the same thing they wanted. They wanted to demonstrate that they wanted to leave the eu. Thats why they voted for you. And i think thats completely reasonable thing to do. If voters wanted was a parliament, they wanted to vote. This was they wanted to be connected. If they wanted to vote to say, i dont like rishi sunak or i do like somebody else, or i want my bins done in a different way, or i dont like a different way, or i dont like a genocide carried out with british complicity. Theyre allowed to do that. None of that is remotely frightening or sectarian or anything else like that. I dont know how many doors you knock on in the average election, asking people what they actually think, but in fact, the british people are incredibly well educated and do know what theyre voting for. Time and again, im surprised i did not say that they know what theyre voting do bring up that thatis theyre voting do bring up that that is not being emptied, the potholes on their lane or their street. The local schools in county council elections. All these things do come up regularly, far more often than any of the National Mainstream issues. They may say, i dont like keir starmer or i dont like keir starmer or i dont like rishi sunak, but they talk to you about the issues and that is what those elections are for, and that is what most people use them for historically. So my argument is not that people dont want to vote on issues. Of course. They absolutely do. But when we have absolutely do. But when we have a pretty denuded democratic system, as im sure you would probably agree , there are not probably agree, there are not very many opportunities to make those positions on whatever it might be on local schooling, on roads, on bus routes , and yes, roads, on bus routes, and yes, on International Policy to make those felt. Those felt. What do you makes it all at home . As always, you can have the final say on that matter. What did you vote for when it came to your local elections . Was it those issues really, really close to your home or was it much broader afield . I want your thoughts on that as well. Coming up after the break, i want to talk to you. We all know by now that shoplifting is going through the roof, and we also know its quite difficult to get perhaps a proper criminal prosecution. So do you think we need to start going down the road then, where weve seen marks and spencers do this, where the pursued basically a private prosecution which has seen one thief go to jail, is that really the future . Should that really the future . Should it be the future . I mean, we pay a lot of money for policing in this country. Do we not . Also, i want to ask you, when it comes to policing in the uk, that thin blue line badge, do you think that police should be able to wear that when out on active duty or not . Ill see you hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry keeping you company till 7 00 tonight alongside me. Annunciator rees mogg and jem schneider remain. Welcome back. Everybody i want your thoughts in terms of the situation that weve just been discussing, how how impactful do you think the awful escalations in gaza are going to be here on the uk . And i was also asking you as well, did you vote on those local elections for issues close to your home, or perhaps further afield, ive got to say call me old fashioned, says ann. But i just want councillors to stand only on local issues, not something else. And he says, you all seem to have misunderstood the nature of democracy. Its not based on the issues you say people should vote on. Its for the electorate to decide what issues they vote on. If people vote on the basis of a situation in gaza, he says, thats up to them. And if you dont like it, stand against those candidates. They go, thats all. Everyone at home. Lets talk crime, shall we . Because, we all know by now that shoplifting seems to be, in lots of occasions, going through the roof. But what do you do about that . That is the Million Dollar question. Many people will say that the police dont seem to perhaps be taking it as seriously as they should, and its causing frustration by many. And i would say its causing many thieves to be quite emboldened. We see those videos now, dont we . People just walking in and just pulling off, sweeping off whole shelves and helping themselves without a care in the world. And now a story caught my eye because youve seen now a fella with a 105 prior convictions. He has been jailed. But get this, its by private prosecution. This was after the police basically didnt do anything about this crime, despite the fact that the Company Involved m s actually had cctv showing a lot of it happening , annunciator. It happening, annunciator. It caught me. It caught my eye. Has been interesting this because i believe that we should be relying on our Police Forces to, you know, kind of follow through with the law of the land. But when thats been failed , very when thats been failed, very often is the case now with shoplifting and stuff like that. Shoplifting and stuff like that. Is this what people need to do now, pay their own money to sort it out . I think its perfectly reasonable that they do. And actually it was how it always u