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agency when he didn't like the figures on deforestation, the formerforeign minister described the climate crisis as a marxist conspiracy. it all added up to being very, very dismissive of science, of experts. that's what i think viviane — viviane, that's what you're worried about? yes. yes, what she said. that's... but you contest this, all of what i quoted? yeah. - why that? when you look into| the facts, isolate... but you seem to dismiss the facts, you didn't want research. no, not research, but it was — you just gave an example. - the former president i of the brazilian institute for research, he was not fired because of the numbers. - he was fired because he was leaking information| to the press before presenting officially the information. - but president bolsonaro said — he said when he gave figures for record high levels of deforestation, president bolsonaro said those are lies. no, he didn't say exactly that.