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everybody up. he was like i said, always just interested in what everybody else was doing. and so unbelievably proud of his boys and his daughter. always just wanted to know what they were doing. and just to talk about everything that they were doing in their lives. and just always showing great, great interest. and he was so good at everything that he did. in his work, in his fatherhood. in his community. >> well, i know everybody -- >> we were really lucky. >> i have been reading all day about him. and everybody at nbc and all the other places he worked have just been singing his praises all day long about what a great person he was to work with. i understand he showed you kids recently how to chop wood? >> yes. >> was he a good wood chopper? >> he kept us warm all winter. >> oh, yeah. the best in all counties.