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if you are going to cooperate. this is a lawyer that is telling these committees, you are getting this much, but not this much. christie is a former u.s. attorney. he knows which lawyers behave which way. he tired a tough, tough lawyer. >> that's what is so interesting about it. not only was he a federal prosecutor, he was the chief federal prosecutor in new jersey. so he knows how these investigators go. i think the dynamic really changes once the u.s. attorney's office gets involved. as a former prosecutor, and you know this too, jeff, you want to flip somebody, you want to turn somebody. you want to offer someone immunity so they will talk. >> although what remains a mystery is what crime was committed here? >> there's a crime in the cover-up, if there was a cover-up. >> there is a danger here for the democrats. that this this legislature could overplay its hand.