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interesting when you hear zoe's reaction to this. you saw the moment in the abc special when jenner was at first hesitant to take out his ponytail that we just played. at the time it was bruce. and he said i want to be called bruce. i want to be referred to by male pronouns. he was very adamant about it. here we are a few months later. now it's caitlyn. it's a corset. its cover of "vanity fair." it's a she. what do you make of this change and the speed with which it has happened? >> well i don't think i'm really in a position to judge why the speed. but there is a voice that has never been heard in all of this. and that is one of the most important voices for both caitlyn and for the family. and that is the therapist. i mean clearly, one does not just go at whatever pace you

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