versus other world powers, and it's harder on the u.s. than anybody else, and you have to keep america competitive and these rules didn't do that. >> if that would be true, there would be reasons to ring your hands. the clean energy sector in america is the one booming and growing. >> they say it's with heavy subsidies. >> a subsidy is when you get to pollute for free. you get to dump megatons without a subsidy. every form of energy in the world is subsidized. the question is do you want to subsidize the ones that will give you more jobs or pollution? this used to be bipartisan. john mccain ran as a climate champion and on cap and trade, and this was eight years or nine