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beethoven, it would be -- ♪ ♪ there's always an edge of anxiety and unfulfillment and anger and passion. >> is that why you like him more than mozart? >> i think beethoven is one of the most human of composers, because, he wrote in fits and starts. mozart is like, perfect. >> right. >> he's like angel, like he came down from heaven and everything he writes is perfect, effortless. he just kind of glides along and plays exactly what should be played. beethoven, i had a copy of, the ninth symphony, the actual notation. and you see these huge pages scratched out, gouged out like he never wanted anybody to see the lousy stuff he wrote. and i'm looking at this and i'm going, "wow, he wrote, you know,