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the issue is her. and this, as you mentioned the confederate, flag she campaigned twice against taking the confederate flag down when she ran for governor. ultimately there was this tragedy, and there was this huge movement in the state to take the flag down. and then she saw what way was going. and i'm not saying that in her heart she didn't believe that's what should be. done but i'm saying, she didn't say it when she was running for office. she is someone who does a lot of calculating about where the perfect political answer is. at any given moment and in a presidential, race that catches up with you. you can't fake it. i mean, i said a long time ago presidential races are -- for the soul. and i think this is her vulnerability, not any particular issue, but the character dimensions of it. >> you had to coach obama through a lot of stuff, when you have a person of color on the national stage there's a tight robe element.