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tension here, i'm not so sure. >> then there is desantis who is all in on iowa. he has campaigned in all 99 counties. he has a big, strong gain there. kristen, what happens if desantis doesn't do well, if he -- if he loses by double digits and, god forbid from his point of view, if he actually finishes behind nikki haley. is he done? >> he does not have much of a path past iowa. he polls in very low numbers in new hampshire. he's kind of nowhere in south carolina where it's all about trump and all about haley. and the withdrawal from the race of chris christie has made it even better for haley which makes it even worse for desantis. he's right now got to be looking i think at 2028. he's very young. right now he's still very well liked by a lot of republicans. the problem he faces is those same republicans just like donald trump a little more. >> you seem to be saying he's --