captures complained he abandoned them, that he hasn't provided leadership the past three years, that he has been separated from them and they recognize he's concerned more with his own skin than leading the movement. >> secretary state clinton has actually told pakistani official that is she believes that some of them know where he is and, if they wanted to, could basically drop a dime on him. is that true? >> i think there's always been a problem in pakistan. there are those who would like to get rid of him because he and -- he has cost them an enormous amount. and the taliban of pakistan has become the pakistani government's biggest problem. but the fact is there are those within the pakistani military, particularly intelligence service, that have longstanding alliances with bin laden and find for regional, strategic reasons that that kind of alliance is worth keeping. he is an ace in the hole for them. >> gary, i saw you wanted to get