relationships. the tea party people are unfettered. >> wait, wait, wait, wait, richard, i was fascinated. but here's a question. i have this persistent habit, i was a lawyer once, so where are you going to cut. >> well, we start with the republican proposal, we go back to the spending limits of -- >> you got to cut over a trillion dollars, there's only $500 billion in nondiscretionary money to start with, where are you going to take huge pieces? are you going to cut medicare. >> what you do is you have to change the entitlements. america is not going to function unless somebody, democrats, republicans, conservatives and liberals get together and figure out how to get away from the entitlement society. a very simple way to do it is, one, you change retirement age, most people when they get to 62 are drawing social security.