if the news, if the university wanted to force him out, joe paterno is not going to necessarily be pushed. i mean he would be allowed to make this announcement in whatever way he chose, don't you suppose? >> yes, i do think so. jon: you are a penn state grad. >> our news --. jon: you're a penn state grad yourself? >> i am. i am. jon: what is the reaction, what is the reaction now? we saw this show of support last night. joe paterno basically lives in a house on campus. all kinds of students out there last night surrounding him, showing support. the fact that he is resigning now, what's the reaction? retiring, i should say, yes. >> well, i think the reaction, the reaction is really mixed. i think there's a lot of sadness. he's had such a storied career at penn state. he had such a great, he has had a great football program there and i think a lot of