and the austere support base to help them kill terrorists across the border in pakistan. we don't have an afghanistan problem. karzai has an afghanistan problem. we have a pakistan problem. and if karzai doesn't like that. entirely and let the taliban hang karzai from a lamp post. >> bill: let me play devil's advocate here. if we do what karzai suggests and pull back troops from the small villages and towns all over afghanistan, remember, there is only one big city and that's kabul. kandahar like a big town. the taliban comes back and exactly the same position the soviet union was in when they afghanistan. you have the capital and you have a couple of major cities, but then the surrounding territory is run by these animals the taliban who execute people and do whatever they do. people are not going to be able to stand up. the police are not going to stands up. afghan armed forces not going to be able to stand up to them. why bother being there at all.